Lords of Themselves: A Kingmaker Adventure Path.

Game Master Red Ramage

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So, I do believe we doesn't need to roleplay that we're selling the goodies, but I'll list the here when the trade is done. There may be something people want to keep or acquire before heading on. Also, the newcomers may have interesting business opportunities so we may use whatever we have not sold yet.

Right now we have as items to be sold:
MW Buckler (small) 1 77.5
MW Trident (small) 1 157.5
MW Chain Amor (small) 1 150
Green Liquor 8 20
Crates of Fur 3 50
Wooden Music Box 1 90
Silver earings 1 150
MW Cold Iron Sickle (small) 1 156
Dust of Illusion 1 600
Silver Ring 1 75
Basket full of Silver Price Unknown!

We also have silver, cooper and gold to be traded by Platinum if you're not going to buy equipment.

Sounds good, sell it all and we'll see what we get for it.

The silver nuggets were worth 200 gold per person for a total of 1000g

Thanks. Included that in the loot. Each of us have 1627.21 gp total, plus the starting 150gp. We also have all the items listed under the green section, and whatever you kept from the found items, which should be subtracted from the above values.

For example, I would have 1777,21 go to spend, but I've kept the Boots of Elvenkind, which we would have sold for 1250gp, so I actually have 1777-1250=527gp.

Should we increase our supplies (actually in 11 days) before leaving?

Do we actually have that much gold to spend, or do we have that value in a combination of items and gold?

Maja is mostly interested in a Wand of Cure Light Wounds.

I'll try to put this simple.

Virtual Party Pool show how much we should have earned selling the loot (8136gp now).

Based on it, we have the Individual Gold, which is simply the Virtual divided by 5. This represents the fair share of each of us. But we may not spend all the money, or may borrow it from the others if they allow it.

So, whatever is not expended is added together and represented by the Real Party Pool. But this last pool depends on the accuracy of the items tracking of the whole party, so it might be off a little bit. Basically it is to be seen as what the party would probably have in gold pieces, and it may be acurate if you tell me what you buy or put your own acquisitions in the sheet (it's free to edit).

For example, as far as I know, Maja have spent 118.5gp with her initial equipment, and later 50 gp in a MW survival kit. So it means you would have 1608 gp from your fair share to spend (unless you have allowed someone to borrow money from you or spend it with anything that is not on the sheet).

You may play with values on the sheet at will. I'll fix it if any of the formula shows a problem.

well I know who's going to be running the queendom's treasury!

you don't have that much in straight gold coins, the party's wealth is held in coin, valuables, and gear. Merchants generally accept weapons and gear as in-kind payment, with some small coin changing hands to make the exact value of the transaction, so you can figure a wealth pool with a value in GP like Pretty's done.

Oleg doesn't have infinite money or items, as his stocks have been depleted by banditry and stifled trade along the road. As time passes and traders move through the Post, his wealth and inventory will grow. He can special-order items as well, but there's a delay involved as a caravan travels to Restov and back.

The values I've mentioned counts selling all column A for half its base price (column C). Selling for half the price is not a problem, right Ramage?

I've acquired a climber's kit, btw.

You're good.

Assume that Oleg has any mundane good under 500gp available to him. Weapons, armor, and magical goods are special order.

I have a question about purchasing things. Writing a spell from one spellbook to another requires an amount of gold spent, but it doesn't say if the expended material is magical, or not. Would Kivan have to special order the materials, and wait, or no?

It's expensive, but mundane ink. Available for sale.

Oleg will have bust out the Sears and Roebuck Catalog of Mystical Mail Order, eh? Hope they have a wand department. XD

Does that mean no potions or scrolls either?

Oleg has in stock any mundane item with a value of less than 500gp. This includes skill kits and alchemical items as well. In addition, he has a few generic longswords, shortbows, and daggers, and a couple suits of leather armor. Any specific weapon or armor needs to be ordered, but is available from Restov. Potions, scrolls, wands, and other magic items are available from Restov, but tend to be hard to find. Temples and wizardly groups usually only manufacture goods for internal use. Magical items will take longer than usual and cost 1.25x list price.

Life out in the sticks sucks. Better get a move on with those kingdom plans so you can get some domestic manufacturing going!

Let's gather some money and head to explore Z3 and AA4. From there we stop at Restov to pick whatever we need at a better price.

I'm just looking for a cheaper alternative ^_^ I'm a merchant!

when I ran this for my meatspace group, the party wealth quickly got ridiculous, mostly due to the magic item economy and crafting. I'm putting just a wee bit of brakes on the magic item economy to keep you guys from making a moat of gold coins around your castle. Worry not! You will still exceed the WBL table in short order.

When the Kobolds offered the party "A wooden compass with lodestone chips, several yards of camouflage netting, a map of the area surrounding the Sootscale caverns, small game snares, a fishing net, and a vial of elk musk suitable for baiting a hunting area," was that supposed to work mechanically as a Masterwork Survival Kit? (i.e. +2 to certain Survival checks?)

If not, she's going to buy one. Actually, here's the full shopping list:

Masterwork Survival Kit (50gp)
Mapmaker's Kit (10gp)
Scroll of Comprehend Languages (25gp)
Scroll of Liberating Command (25gp)
Scroll of Obscuring Mist (25gp)
Scroll of Protection from Evil (25gp)
Scroll of Remove Fear (25gp)
Two Spring Loaded Wrist Sheaths (10gp)
Cold-Iron Longspear (10gp)

She will give her other longspear to whomever wants to execute Pretty's spear-wall plan against the spiders.

Maja
Just a thought, Esaul, my NG Hunter on another campaign, strictly forbade the party from trying to heal him with the Infernal Healing. It's devil blood and certainly have some side effects, like detecting evil for the duration and so on. It has an [Evil] descriptor, by the way. But of course Pretty would make no discrimination against it...

Sera
I forgot to address the question you made, about the items you are keeping. I'm not sure what you're wishing to buy, but the reason we have a "Party Pool" is so we could use the money others are not using at that moment. We will be adventuring together for a long time, so I don't think that will be a problem. Just ask one of the others if they have some money to lend you for the time being. Certainly we have enough, even if we buy wands, and there will be more money the next time we come to buy stuff. Otherwise, if we keep it as party items you will be using way more magic stuff than the others, and we will have no way of keeping track of it. Besides, if you need to sell any of the items, you will lose no money, since you already acquired them for 50% of the value. I have only 134gp from my fair share to lend you, but you can use if you want. There will be plenty of moments some of us will be OVER our fair share, that's expected.
I also don't know how much of your initial cash you have, so you may want to include that in the sheet.

Party
Please read the paragraph above. I've separated Group items based on what would be used/consumed in pro of the party, not toward the overall power of each one individually. If there's anything you wish to change in the division just say so. Otherwise if you can lend other people some money say it, until we are familiar with taking and using without the need to ask for every single gold piece.

You might as well ask for a masterwork long spear.

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Good point - I seem to have ignored weapons and armor for no good reason.

New purchase list:
Masterwork Cold-Iron Longspear (310gp)
Masterwork Breastplate (350gp)
Masterwork Survival Kit (50gp)
Mapmaker's Kit (10gp)
Scroll of Comprehend Languages (25gp)
Scroll of Liberating Command (25gp)
Scroll of Obscuring Mist (25gp)
Scroll of Protection from Evil (25gp)
Scroll of Remove Fear (25gp)
Two Spring Loaded Wrist Sheaths (10gp)

If that turns out to be too much, then the breastplate isn't really necessary.

The kobold-provided gear can certainly count as a Masterwork survival kit. Don't forget that magic items are 1.25x cost, so those 1st level scrolls are 31 gold (round down to nearest GP).

Can we get a link to the XP list? Because, if we are close to lvl 3 Kivan would suggest that people just buy the items they want non-masterwork.

Masterwork transformation is a thing, but Idris doesn't even know about it. In any case it will come out to the same price.

Sera

I forgot to address the question you made, about the items you are keeping. I'm not sure what you're wishing to buy, but the reason we have a "Party Pool" is so we could use the money others are not using at that moment. We will be adventuring together for a long time, so I don't think that will be a problem. Just ask one of the others if they have some money to lend you for the time being. Certainly we have enough, even if we buy wands, and there will be more money the next time we come to buy stuff. Otherwise, if we keep it as party items you will be using way more magic stuff than the others, and we will have no way of keeping track of it. Besides, if you need to sell any of the items, you will lose no money, since you already acquired them for 50% of the value. I have only 134gp from my fair share to lend you, but you can use if you want. There will be plenty of moments some of us will be OVER our fair share, that's expected.
I also don't know how much of your initial cash you have, so you may want to include that in the sheet.

I was asking if we could buy some alchemical goods with party funds and consider them party supplies, considering we had marked many offensive items, including Alchemist's fire as party goods before. I thought it made the most sense, since those are useful to anyone who wants to use them. Whereas something like an arcane wand is of little use to anyone but an arcane caster.

I'm spreadsheet-shy, so I'd really rather not edit it myself... afraid I would screw something up, but I'll provide all the info.

She spent all of her initial gold except: 3 gp, 7 sp, 3 cp.

She bought 5 rations to begin with, so I guess she would have consumed her own first or just put that in with the party's rations.

So her available portion to spend totals 130.94gp.

She will buy, for herself:
Crossbow, Light (35gp)
Bolts, Crossbow x 50 (5gp)
Alchemist's Fire x2 (20gp each) (40gp)
Acid Flask x2 (10gp each) (20gp)
Smokestick x1 (20gp each) (20gp)
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Leaving her individual total at 10.94gp (or does she need to leave enough individual gold to contribute equally on rations?)

And will request that we might buy some additional party goods to carry along and use if a situation presents itself. I don't really want to go into debt to anyone, so if we decide no, don't worry about it.

Antiplague x? (50gp each)
Antitoxin x? (50gp each)
Smelling Salts x? (25gp each) (probably only need 1)

Alchemist's Fire x? (20gp each)
Acid Flask x? (10gp each)
Smokestick x? (20gp each)
Tanglefoot bag x? (50gp each)
Thunderstone x? (30gp each)

And I'd support the purchase of an Infernal Healing wand, it's something Kivan and I would both be able to wield in case Maja is unavailable.

"Beyond rations, I was just hoping we could stock up on Alchemist's Fire and Acid Flasks." Sera's amulet and bracers take up much of her share, but could we count those as party goods? Also, does Oleg have any cure light wounds potions, maybe?

Sorry, my bad. I interpreted "those" as the Amulet and Bracers. Anyway, your counts are correct. Don't worry about filling our supplies for the next trip, there will be enough money. If you take a look at your column in the sheet you will see it's pretty simple.

Anyway, I'm ok with buying the items Sera suggested as party supplies, what do you say?

Maja should have the smelling salts in a pocket where everyone knows where it is, so that if she goes unconscious from damage, we can wake her up and she can channel or cure herself.

Finally decided on a name for the campaign info. Apologies if it breaks your shortcuts. It shall soon be full of all kinds of goodies. Here's the xp link, there will be a permalink in the info thread as it doesn't warrant a place in my tags.

Sweet new campaign name! My links are indeed broken - I'm going to PM people so they know to come here.

Just placing a dot here to get the new shortcut up.

It still shows up in my campaigns page without any problem.

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Mine too, since I check by the filters (focus) option.

A fine name, by the way.

Sera, no one said anything against it, so, would you please set the quantity of party items you would like to acquire of each of those you mentioned?

Common people, take some liberties.

Alrighty! How about this?

Antiplague x3 (50gp each)---------150gp
Antitoxin x3 (50gp each)----------150gp
Smelling Salts x1 (25gp each)------25gp

Alchemist's Fire x5 (20gp each)---100gp
Acid Flask x5 (10gp each)----------50gp
Smokestick x3 (20gp each)----------60gp
Tanglefoot bag x1 (50gp each)------50gp
Thunderstone x2 (30gp each)--------60gp
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Total: 695gp Whew, that enough liberty for ya? ^_~

Seriously though, feel free to adjust those numbers if it takes away from what people want to order. We don't need the Tanglefoot bag/Thunderstones especially now, but I really think we need our antiplague/antitoxin for emergencies.

I like the name too, it will probably be a while yet before we come up with a name for our growing territory. I also just keep my campaigns tab bookmarked rather than the individual game threads, but thanks for the PM, Maja. ^_^
(Cute badasses... and an elf. LOL! XD)

All sounds good to me. I think I don't need anything else.

That's what I'm talking about! We've got plenty of consumables for all kinds of situation right now. So, we've acquired:

(3) days worth of food 7.5 - that's 15 trail rations (so 14 total)
(3) Antiplague 150
(3) Antitoxin 150
Smelling Salts 25
(5) Alchemist's fire 100
(5) Acid Flask 50
(3) Smokestick 60
Tanglefoot Bag 50
(2) Thunderstone 60
Wand (Infernal Healing) 750

I want to hold a Thunderstone, an Alchemist's fire, an Acid Flask, a Smokestick and one Antitoxin. Who's got the rest?

Also, note that we have found the following items and no one is holding them, so take whatever you need (but please say so):

3 CLW Potions left
7 +1 Flaming Arrows
Wand of Burning Hands (CL 2, 10 charges)

@Maja Yes I would like to borrow your old spear, to use against the spider. Also, Liberating Command is an immediate action, which you use in the enemies' turn. Since it's a scroll i believe you cannot do that, which decreases the spell's power. Will you still keep it? (it would be good to prepare the spell against the spider btw, I believe)

The scroll is just for backup when Maja doesn't have it prepared. But its a great idea to have it ready for the spider!

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Oh, I guess the other question is whether the scroll could be used as a swift action. Can it?

Reading from a scroll is always a standard action. If you know ahead of time that you'll be wanting the spell, you should prepare it. You can also ready an action to use the scroll should the need arise.

But then you're one less reach weapon to kill the spider...

I had wanted to finish up RP at the feast, but I've been busy with getting my PFS groups squared away. Would it be ok to post retcon conversation either on the discussion thread or spoilered on the gameplay thread?

yeah, spoiler it up on the game thread

Just a nitpick -- I think the spear should have done less damage. critical and brace doesn't multiply the multiplier, it's more like they add dice -- x3 critical adds two dice, and x2 brace adds one dice, for a total of 4d8+12 instead of 6d6+18. It still would have done 26 damage which is probably enough, and in the unlikely event that didn't finish it off, Pretty and Sera still had an attack coming.

Congratulations on passing the 1,000 post mark, folks! I'm having an absolute blast GMing for you, I hope y'all are having as much fun as I am. I dig your characters!

Idris, I don't see any reason why the critical doesn't increase because of bracing.

Critical Hits: <snip>

A critical hit means that you roll your damage more than once, with all your usual bonuses, and add the rolls together. Unless otherwise specified, the threat range for a critical hit on an attack roll is 20, and the multiplier is ×2.

Exception: Precision damage (such as from a rogue's sneak attack class feature) and additional damage dice from special weapon abilities (such as flaming) are not multiplied when you score a critical hit.

I've always understood critical hits to be getting "two (or three) hits" worth of damage on one blow. Longspears have the brace quality -

Brace: If you use a readied action to set a brace weapon against a charge, you deal double damage on a successful hit against a charging character

- so Maja's 1d8+3 becomes 2d8+6. Her attack was a critical, so I roll the damage three times and add them together for 6d8+18.

That's the way I've always done it, anyways. You're correct that the damage was enough to do the trick either way!

Well, I'm having a great time! I do think the party is great, and we're running smoothly.

I do think I bother you all sometimes, but since no one ever said anything, I trust you will warn me if it ever comes to that.

And you're doing a splendid work Ramage. You made all the tracking of date and food seems simple enough, so I'll compliment you for doing a great job!

Eh, as long as we keep the rule consistent, it can work either way. I'm having lots of fun, and I look forward to opening up wayfinder or my browser and seeing new posts on this campaign.

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