Dark Ages Vampire - Bloodlines (Inactive)

Game Master Dennis Harry

Bloodlines is a continuation of the now defunct table top Dark Ages Vampire game wherein the PC's have created lineal descendants throughout the ages.

Attendees seeking a seat or have a seat in the Inner Circle:

Assamite - Lord Bajazet al Nasir.

Brujah – Lady Meridie de Chancie, Lord Criatas, “Dark”Selena, Robin Leeland.

Cappadocian – Lord Benne.

Gangrel – Milov Petrankov.

Lasombra - Prince Narses the Archbishop of Nod

Malkavian – Antione le Fanu, Lutz von Hohenzollern.

Nosferatu – Cristo Petradon, Simon.

Salubri – Brian Stack.

Setites – Sadir.

Toreador – Rafael de Corazon, Francois Villon, Helene la Jouste.

Tremere - Radek, Mistress Fanchon.

Tzimisce – Myca Vykos.

Ventrue – Alyssa Gilbert, Lady Jadviga Almanov, Lanzo von Saschen, Prince Alexander.

Remember - only those listed get votes. Of course influencing their Childer can go a long way to getting a vote.

Social Combat:

Let me first thank Sir Dunstan and his excellent Game of Thrones campaign as the inspiration for this rules tweak. A shout out to Vitaliano who also does an excellent job as a player in that campaign.

Game of Thrones has a Social Combat system that, while not translatable directly, I used as inspiration for this campaign.

This is a proposed rules set and I am more than happy to hear feedback from Players before I implement it in full.

Roleplaying is still required to get your point across. However, I think a mechanical system could be beneficial for this scenario, a scenario quite unlike anything I have ever done in a Vampire game before.

Making My Case

To convince a “voter” to side with your Sire, you may roll the following set of Attributes and Abilities:

1. Against someone who is clearly NOT in your favor --- Manipulation+Subterfuge+Politics
2. Against someone who is NEUTRAL – Charisma+Expression+Politics

The difficulty of all rolls is that Cainites Willpower. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to win the contest. Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to make your case and can only attempt do so one time per night.

If you have Presence – Awe or Enrancement, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.

Beware, failing in using Presence in Elysium can lead to Sanctions by Thomas Brexiano.

Also beware, Cainites may try to turn this system around on you…

But What if Someone Else Tries This on a Voter I just Brought to my Side?

Amount of successes is a key factor here, you will want to score as many success as you can to ensure that a rival does not try to take that vote from you!

Certain NPC’s already believe that others are in their favor and would never change their votes. Those will be the toughest cookies to break.

Note this system cannot be used on:

Your In-Clan rivals, no amount of sweet talking or bribes will change their minds they all want this position badly.

Prince Narses, he simply will not entertain such discourse. Of course, this does not mean you cannot try to get into the ears of one of his Childer to have them speak with him…

Discerning My Quarry’s Intent

How can I tell if someone is for or against me despite what they are saying?

Make a Perception+Empathy+Politics roll.

The difficulty is 10, less that Cainites Humanity score. Those closer to the Beast are much harder to read. For every Century over 300 years that Cainite has lived, the DC will be increased by 1, topping out at 10, as these Cainites have well and truly mastered this game to have existed for so long in the first place.

Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to ferret out their intent and can only attempt do so one time per night. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to ascertain their intent.

If you have Auspex – Read the Soul or Invade the Mind, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.

How else can I make my case?

The use of Presence, while frowned upon, is much less cause for censure than using Dominate. Dominate does not work on a Cainite whose blood is closer to Caine than your own. If you seek to use Dominate to convince a voter (or perhaps one of the Childer?) to vote for your Sire, it would be best used elsewhere in the city.

Boons – the boon system of quid pro quo can also be used to gain votes. You will need to offer something of course that that voter does not have or cannot get from another candidate.

Eliminate my rivals. This one is obvious though failure to do so without detection may subject YOU to the Final Death!


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Shadow's Status

Yes, an interesting Dilemma! I had a feeling you might ask, I think the best solution is to offer a certain rating of Resources in exchange for the business. Let me look a bit deeper into it this weekend and I will let you know what the comparables are, keeping in mind your wealth just shot up to 5+ dots in Resources.


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Shadow's Status

Doing some Googling on the subject it appears that 60 Ducats per year could support the cost of a Soldier on a Campaign (wartime cost) for one year. Likely half to a quarter of that would allow a Peasant to survive rather easily during the time period. The most difficult thing about these types of conversion rates is that much of the economy back then was either bartering (amongst the lower classes) or being a Landlord and collecting commodities (amongst the Nobility and Aristocracy).

Let's use the following system when exchanging Ducats:

Resources 1: Character generates 15-50 Ducats per year.
Resources 2: Character generates 50-100 Ducats per year.
Resources 3: Character generates 100-500 Ducats per year.
Resources 4: Character generates 500-1,000 Ducats per year.
Resources 5: Character generates 1,000 + Ducats per year.

As the Cappelli's are a Merchant family that is fairly well to do (Lorenzo is a Dr. who has not worked in 5 years!) you will likely need to offer at least a high 3 or low 4 Resources offer to make a competitive bid.


Shadow's Status

FYI, we are getting close to the evening :-)

Once these two scenes play out, Venice by Night will fall once again and our newest blood suckers can come back out to play!


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Are you saying Alessandro would be losing/reducing Resources? That doesn't seem to make sense.

A viable business transaction would call for a 1 time expense to generate MORE resources.

Or are you suggesting a ducat amount?


Shadow's Status

I am suggesting an actual Ducati amount, at least in your case here as your Resources in game have increased considerably.


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

So, this is basically "pre-game" setup... sorta.

Also assuming, whatever the agreed upon price... it makes sense financially.


Shadow's Status

Just waiting for Santo and Alessandro to post.

Once these two scenes are over, night will come down...


Shadow's Status

After Lorenzo and Alessandro are done we will be moving to the "by Night" portion of the day. Once this night ends we will go to a few weeks of downtime. Will discuss further as that last night winds down.


great !


Shadow's Status

OK, I will give Alessandro and Lorenzo till Friday evening to wrap up their scene (I won't be able to post significant updates till that anyhow as I need to do some digging into the thread to remember things I have long forgotten but yet I know I posted on).

Then we will move to the evening portion of the day. Some of you may not make it out of that night alive....


Darn DM :)


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Wasn't Christopher involved in an altercation and wounded?


5th Generation Cappadocian | Bloodpool: 29/40 | Willpower: 8/8

Maybe, but not while Lorenzo was around.


Shadow's Status

I think one of his men was wounded, you mean the first night you met Xing correct Alessandro?


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Yes, didn't I go visit his house to make sure he was alright? Or his financee?


Shadow's Status

His fiancé who was Gunthers daughter.


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

I'm good if you're good.


Shadow's Status

OK, tomorrow night I will be putting up the updated posts for all players.

The last night before downtime. :-)


Shadow's Status

Anyone interested in playing a 2edDnD game here on the boards. A DM has been looking for submissions for a Forgotten Realms Maztica game and we don't have enough players.


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Hmmm... I looked it over, but will pass.


Shadow's Status

Ok, no worries. Maztica not exactly the best setting but it has been a while since I played 2ed :-)


Shadow's Status

Of course my schedule is screwed up! I will have those updates ready by the end of the weekend.


Shadow's Status

Another night has begun! XP will be doled out as this night ends.


Shadow's Status

Will update tomorrow, fading a bit mentally and I want to be sharp for the next few response posts...


Will post today sorry for delay


Shadow's Status

Lorenzo and Alessandro, I will post when I can as the next scene will be a bit complex and I need to take some time on it.


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Combat? I feel so naked!

The only way Alessandro survives is if they assume because he's mortal, he's harmless. And focus on other vamps.

Then he gets his hands on a sword, defending the Prince or Alyssa!

Auspicious, indeed!


Shadow's Status
Alessandro Khadaji wrote:

Combat? I feel so naked!

The only way Alessandro survives is if they assume because he's mortal, he's harmless. And focus on other vamps.

Then he gets his hands on a sword, defending the Prince or Alyssa!

Auspicious, indeed!

No not combat! If I wanted to just kill you guys I could have done that without the elaborate charade! :-)

The scene is complex because of the amount of NPC's in that room at the moment.


Shadow's Status

I think I will let that last post rest for a while and pick this up again tomorrow...


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

I see, crazy long post... Eeeeek!


Shadow's Status

I have much more to go....


Indeed!


Shadow's Status

I will pause there for the moment!


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Lost me with that last one... Dumb mortal.


Shadow's Status

Did i? You of all mortals surely have met a Ghost before...


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Alessandro had met Ghost, previously.

"The price they ask is the absolution of their sins. " threw me off.


Shadow's Status
Alessandro Khadaji wrote:

Alessandro had met Ghost, previously.

"The price they ask is the absolution of their sins. " threw me off.

Yes, I can see that :-)


Shadow's Status

I will post updates either tomorrow or Saturday as I am super busy. Want to give Alessandro a chance to respond as well.

In addition, I have brought two new players on board. Looking at my overall goal for the Storyline, I felt a few more players would give the feel I was looking for, mostly due to the way things played out based on character interactions. They will be introduced this night.

Once this night is done, at least two more of you will be embraced.

We will take Downtime after that. Downtime will consist of a list of actions/goals you want your character to achieve. These actions may succeed or fail depending on dice rolls and/or the planning you put into executing the ideas. The Downtime will only last two or three weeks. I will get into this a bit more once this night ends.

Post Downtime, you will ALL finally be Vampires. At that point, most of you will be spending a great deal of time together. This will be easier on me and will likely increase the posting rate so get ready for that.

I appreciate the time and effort all of you have put into hanging on in a Vampire game where for literally years you have been Humans. I have run Vampire for a lot of years with a few different groups and this is the best group I have ST'ed or played in by far.


And we tank you for dm'in this long also :) (says the last comer to this game, almost a year ago)


Downtime????

Sure sure...


Stats:
BP(1/1) WP(7/7) Str(2) Dex(4) Sta(2) Cha(3) Man(3) App(5) Per(1) Int(2) Wit(3) | Alrt(1) Ath(3) Brl(1) Car(1) Emp(3) Exp(4) Ldr(1) Sub(3) | Etq(3) Mle(3) Rid(1) Perf(2) Stl(1) | Acd(1) Fin(2) Law(1) Pol(1) Scn(1) |

Impatiently looking forward to it!


Clan Malkavian Blood Pool 19/30

Indeed, I do look forward to spending the long nights alongside you all. Though not too long as there is work to be done.


Shadow's Status

Hmmm. Looks like two new and one returning player will be with the group relatively soon. Tis ok for me, I have a great deal of experience running large groups. :-)

Should be an interesting dynamic.


Male Kyton-Spawn Tiefling Fighter/Rogue

It is always nice to have someone come back.


Probably spend downtime on learning the clan discipline.....I just made fortitude part of the embrace, which seems normal to me, rather than the more mental changes...I have always done it that way. I question the multiple dots into a discipline that requires learning at creation.


Shadow's Status

The thread is updated for ALL players. Welcome aboard to some of you and welcome back Baldemar!


Thank you for having me back! I will read and post my reply in game tonight. Now to bed.


Stats:
BP(1/1) WP(7/7) Str(2) Dex(4) Sta(2) Cha(3) Man(3) App(5) Per(1) Int(2) Wit(3) | Alrt(1) Ath(3) Brl(1) Car(1) Emp(3) Exp(4) Ldr(1) Sub(3) | Etq(3) Mle(3) Rid(1) Perf(2) Stl(1) | Acd(1) Fin(2) Law(1) Pol(1) Scn(1) |

Wohoo. Just made my first post.

Storyteller Shadow:
Just to clarify, the resources available to Bassanio for his personal use are limited at this point, though that of the bank are separate which pay for guard for the vaults and transport of money etc. Naturally none of which though is at Bassanio's personal disposal.

Any entertaining he does or other expenses he indulges in even if they may be work related in his mind are purely at his own expense as only the essential necessities of operations would be paid for by the bank.


Ventrue | Gen 7 | Blood 20/20

Does Alessandro have any indication of Alyssa's reaction, or stress level? Why are people leaving?


Shadow's Status

Gotcha Bassiano.

Alessandro you cannot get a read on her at all, damn vampires and their lack of body language! If you want to know that answer you will have to ask in game :-)

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