Where are Hanz, Franz, Fitz and Erik?
Where are Hanz, Franz, Fitz and Erik?
They're dead Jim...
I will update the thread tomorrow evening.
FYI, I am traveling for work from Tuesday through Thursday, my posting over those few days may be spotty as a result.
I will update the thread tomorrow evening.
FYI, I am traveling for work from Tuesday through Thursday, my posting over those few days may be spotty as a result.
Perfect, I am traveling for work those same days. :)
I can wait to die... prematurely.
I don't know if I did humanity right, but it's already pretty high.
Any higher, I might be a saint/pacifist or something.
Hmm...what would be a composure check?
Let's do straight Courage DC of 6, he is scary but you are supposed to be here and you are somewhat acclimated to being around the other one...
These Vampires are long winded bastards aren't they! :-)
Well, when you don't have to breathe it is an easy ability to muster ^^
I don't know the process... Hard to comment. Can Alyssa be guaranteed that she had his backing? As in, wins the seat... Then she supports him?
Or some sealed ballot, anonymous, yadda, yadda?
No one knows the process, this is all new ;-)
I will update further tomorrow, I am half-way there on your post Finn. :-) Just need to flesh out the rest of my ideas. Will probably update your thread on Saturday night as I have my D&D table top game tomorrow night.
With new characters and old characters about to get some upgrades, I want to address Willpower.
Your base Willpower score is your characters Courage. Obviously, Freebie Points can be used to increase this important ability. The book, as written, allows a single Freebie Point to be spent to increase Willpower.
I have been running WoD games for a LOOONG time and I have seen substantial abuse of this stat. My house rule (which I may have posted a while back on the Discussion thread) has always been to require 3 Freebie Points to increase this stat.
However, I will offer an alternative system and allow all of you to decide which you prefer.
1. Willpower remains 3 freebie points per point but you take it as high as 10 if you wish to.
2. Willpower is 1 point per dot, capped at 7 points (for now anyway).
As a character plays their Nature and Demeanor, opportunities for increasing Willpower will be available over the course of gameplay. I tie the increase in that stat to playing "true to your character concept".
Let me know your thoughts all. Thank you.
I believe over Memorial Day weekend I will have a chance to decompress and finally review the v20 Dark Ages book. Once I have done so, I will post on the discussion thread any changes I want to implement with the release of that new book, we will change characters accordingly in a way which does not interfere (I hope) with how they are currently constructed.
I also want to update the Campaign Info tab (finally its only been 3 years!) with some vital information for each character.
Anything under a spoiler without YOUR name on it or clearly visible please do not check. Thanks. :-)
Last, I am a big fan of UNEVEN numbers in a Vamp Troupe. I may bring in one more character to give us this uneven amount again.
I would not be opposed to either situation though I think a cap without roleplay reasons is always a good thing. So if I were to chose I would go for slot 2
My preference is for the second option. With that, I will have to decrease Lorenzo's willpower to 7 and get back one freebie. With that I will take the Cast No Reflection Flaw (1pt) and pick up the Eidetic Memory Merit (2pt).
With new characters and old characters about to get some upgrades, I want to address Willpower.
Your base Willpower score is your characters Courage. Obviously, Freebie Points can be used to increase this important ability. The book, as written, allows a single Freebie Point to be spent to increase Willpower.
I have been running WoD games for a LOOONG time and I have seen substantial abuse of this stat. My house rule (which I may have posted a while back on the Discussion thread) has always been to require 3 Freebie Points to increase this stat.
However, I will offer an alternative system and allow all of you to decide which you prefer.
1. Willpower remains 3 freebie points per point but you take it as high as 10 if you wish to.
2. Willpower is 1 point per dot, capped at 7 points (for now anyway).
As a character plays their Nature and Demeanor, opportunities for increasing Willpower will be available over the course of gameplay. I tie the increase in that stat to playing "true to your character concept".
Let me know your thoughts all. Thank you.
I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter as it is a rather important subject, just look at Michael Santo's current plight if you don't think it is... :-)
Honestly, I can't afford the 3pt premium. So, #2.
I hate to proffer an opinion when I only raised it by one dot; I really don't have a dog in this fight.
Seeing as a mortal, Courage can only go to five dots and, starts with three dots in Willpower what about charging three freebie points only for dots four and five? After those expenditures they are only raising Willpower, not two different scores, so perhaps they should only pay one for one on dots six through ten.
LOWLY MORTAL KNOW YOUR PLACE...actually though, I don't mind his proffered suggestion. It kinda does make sense if raising willpoiwer raises courage as well as a mortal.
I hate to proffer an opinion when I only raised it by one dot; I really don't have a dog in this fight.
Seeing as a mortal, Courage can only go to five dots and, starts with three dots in Willpower what about charging three freebie points only for dots four and five? After those expenditures they are only raising Willpower, not two different scores, so perhaps they should only pay one for one on dots six through ten.
EDIT: I nearly forgot that at the table top games I played in, storytellers would charge the same cost for Willpower as for Humanity. In the rules, Humanity governs Conscience and Self-Control, it cost two freebie points to raise Humanity. It made sense to impose those rules on Willpower as well.
Since I played that table too game for so long my vote is for #1.
Might I make an suggestion?
How about have it at an increasing cost. 1 point till 7, 8 and 9 are two points a piece and 10 is 3.
That doesn't have to be the actual costs, you can change them but someone which allows a reasonable level of willpower but makes it very expensive to go high.
Why does it have to be modified at all, to force RP?
What's wrong with having willpower? Maybe more circumstantial bonuses/penalties to checks or situations that deplete willpower.
Why penalize "max" or "prenatal" willpower, or make it unattainable? Gotta be honest, XP is rather Scrooged. The game is hard enough.
No enough experience to have an input
Why does it have to be modified at all, to force RP?
What's wrong with having willpower? Maybe more circumstantial bonuses/penalties to checks or situations that deplete willpower.
Why penalize "max" or "prenatal" willpower, or make it unattainable? Gotta be honest, XP is rather Scrooged. The game is hard enough.
I suppose I put it in place to prevent power gaming. However, perhaps I am punishing a new group for transgressions of past players...
How about this. Willpower will be 1 Freebie point until you have a 7 Willpower.
For Willpower above 7, let's discuss why you believe that your character background justifies a Willpower that high.
Let the PM's begin, if applicable. :-)
As far as XP, yes I am a bit stingy but if you think about how many actual days we have RP'ed in game time I think the amount of XP I have doled out is fair.
To Vitaliano's point, increasing Willpower does not increase Courage but increasing Courage will increase Willpower. All Virtues are capped at 5.
I only use Willpower defensively, because my characters are "good" and want to maintain a clear conscience, good karma.
I wouldn't consider that power gaming.
And yes, although I LOVE good RP... I do tend to somewhat hand waive the vampire/beast aspect in my own character. In just not comfortable nor sf o I enjoy being overly graphic.
Now, intellect, diplomacy, political maneuvering, I can get into.
I only use Willpower defensively, because my characters are "good" and want to maintain a clear conscience, good karma.
I wouldn't consider that power gaming.
And yes, although I LOVE good RP... I do tend to somewhat hand waive the vampire/beast aspect in my own character. In just not comfortable nor sf o I enjoy being overly graphic.
Now, intellect, diplomacy, political maneuvering, I can get into.
I am not saying you or any other player in this troupe has been powergaming, it is just my experience that many players do so I placed restrictions on certain things, Willpower being one of them.
I think this new system makes sense. Really, it is only applicable at character creation as thereafter, no more freebies...
Cool.
Willpower comes up a lot in Vampire.
To avoid frenzy
To overcome fear of God, fire, etc
To resolve disciplines especially Presence....have I mentioned how much I dislike this one...
Not sure about being for/against the change.
FYI, I will update the thread tomorrow.
I will not update the thread tonight, busy with a project to finally update the Campaign Info tab :-)
Will update the thread tomorrow, have to be up early in the morning.
FYI, I will be taking the weekend off of updating the thread so that I can complete the Campaign Info tab project I started.
Certainly!
I am half-way through the thread. Hoping to get a lot of work done tonight, as the spoilers start to disappear the task gets faster.
I will be done for sure by tomorrow night and updating the thread as well!
Work faster! *whips the ST*
Ooh, ooh! And now the spankings!
So much for that.... I have read 80 of the 103 pages partially to refresh my recollection of some of the more particular plot points. I think I can finish off the reading in the next few days. Will try to update the thread regardless as the process for updating the Campaign Tab will also be a project. I have compiled a 10 page document of who's who which needs to be better organized before I post it.
Good grief, just line up a few dozen of the npcs...we will take turns stabbing them to lighten the load for you ;). Still though, you can easily get amazed at how many npcs go into a longer game.
Don't worry, soon I will line up and stab a number of characters.... :-)
Yes I have been running games for 27 years and I am still astounded by the number of NPC'S I created for this thread.
I think that setup I mentioned in our pm's will be what I will go with. I shall go over the rules of it at some point and make myself a proper go to thing for each post/reaction for me to go back and forth with.
Woo hoo on page 94 of re-reading the thread, only 10 more pages to go.
Cool... Just confirming, Alessandro make it out?
Not yet...
I am awarding 5 XP to all Players. Been a while since I doled any out.
With the exception of XP awarded in PM's (which I am not going to even try to go back and track) Players should have the following totals:
Xing, Michele, Michael, Lorenzo - 31 XP
Andrew - 27 XP
Alessandro - 19 XP
Baldemar - 8 XP
Finn - 6 XP
Vitaliano & Bassanio - 5 XP
Note that characters who entered the game in later periods were granted extra points at character creation so that most of you will be "on par" with one another.
The Thread will be retaining its current count. I will not migrate as the data I think I needed to mine I extracted already. Just an FYI.