Request: Avoid Threads

[Wei Ji the Learner]

Please may we avoid further discussion on the 'Paladin' class until such a time as the Blog is released?

More of those threads have been locked than any other that I've seen, and it's really making this a toxic and unwelcoming place.

Thank you for your time in advance!

[captain yesterday]

I'd go see what all the scuttlebutt is about, but I find paladins a boring subject.

[Orville Redenbacher]

Probably need a few more of thee threads before its over...

[Gwenn Reece]

Oh, I just hide all of them.

[willuwontu]

I like to read em with a bag of popcorn, and occasionally chime in and talk with the people who are being civil and reasonable (though I do sometimes respond to the more aggressive ones at points). I do feel sorry for the moderation team whenever I see one, or a thread opened by a specific person.

[Steelfiredragon]

stop to read 'em, post in them and move on. and then read again later but not post in

but yeah, there is no real reason to start making a monkey out of it until we know something more than what little we do know....
this however will not stop someone from making a new thread on it

[Combat Monster]

Eh. I'm gonna say that if a person doesn't like a thread or topic they should just avoid it. While Paizo can ban people, lock topics, and remove posts at their whim, heavy handed censorship does more harm than a few loudmouths in my humble opinion.

[Malthraz]

I think it is interesting that Paladins can only used swords and shields. I would have thought that they would be allowed to have more versatility than this.

[Claxon]

Malthraz wrote:

I think it is interesting that Paladins can only used swords and shields. I would have thought that they would be allowed to have more versatility than this.

Where are you getting this from?

As far as I know the Paladin blog hasn't dropped yet.

[Joe M.]

Gregg Reece wrote:

Oh, I just hide all of them.

Yeah, I recommend hiding them. You'll never persuade folks to stop yelling about the Paladin; best you can do is make liberal use of the hide thread function.

[Joe M.]

Joe M. wrote:

Gregg Reece wrote:

Oh, I just hide all of them.

Yeah, I recommend hiding them. You'll never persuade folks to stop yelling about the Paladin; best you can do is make liberal use of the hide thread function.

Oh, and this is even better when you set up an RSS reader to collect posts from the designers and other prominent Paizo staff. That way you see whatever bits of information they drop while the long and overheated threads don't crowd your view of the forum.

I've already hidden the weapons blog thread. Catching up with it this morning I felt like it had run out of usefulness for me (I ~really~ don't care about bickering over weapon names). But if Mark or anyone else from Paizo posts in the thread I'll see it on my RSS.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

graystone wrote:

Orville Redenbacher wrote:

Probably need a few more of thee threads before its over...

It just wouldn't seem like the playtest area without a certain person making a daily thread about the class. I mean if he didn't WHO would save the poor endangered LG paladin?

I'd hardly think The Doctor would want to get involved with those sorts of discussions, given that they are usually off saving causality?

[GRuzom]

captain yesterday wrote:

I'd go see what all the scuttlebutt is about, but I find paladins a boring subject.

It offends me that you think that Paladins are boring, they're not!

They're Good, interesting ... and Lawful!

The only Good Paladin, is a Lawful Paladin!

[Lyric the Singing Paladin]

So.... by making a request to not have any more paladin threads, we’re having another paladin thread? Shelyn is laughing with us.

♫ I’m the very model of a modern singing Paladin
Known for charm and wit and the love of sweet Shelyn
I have no rod up my ass; I’m no moral harridan
Have so many adventures, don’t know where to begin
I’ve sung with gobs, drunk with trolls (they favor gin)
While sharing ditties inspired by Gilbert & by Sullivan!
So lie to rest your Paladins blessed with judgmental overviews
And instead give forumites some happy messages to peruse! ♫

[Joe M.]

Joe M. wrote:

Joe M. wrote:

Gregg Reece wrote:

Oh, I just hide all of them.

Yeah, I recommend hiding them. You'll never persuade folks to stop yelling about the Paladin; best you can do is make liberal use of the hide thread function.

Oh, and this is even better when you set up an RSS reader to collect posts from the designers and other prominent Paizo staff. That way you see whatever bits of information they drop while the long and overheated threads don't crowd your view of the forum.

I've already hidden the weapons blog thread. Catching up with it this morning I felt like it had run out of usefulness for me (I ~really~ don't care about bickering over weapon names). But if Mark or anyone else from Paizo posts in the thread I'll see it on my RSS.

Somebody asked me about this by private message, so in case anyone else is curious I've put my response in a spoiler here:

Paizo RSS Feeds:

If you visit a forum user's profile page, you'll see several buttons in the top-right of their user profile. The left-most button links to an RSS feed for that user's posts. If you click on the button and copy the url, you can add that feed to your RSS reader.

(I use Feedly as an RSS reader—I don't know what other options are out there but Feedly works well enough for me.)

Here are the Paizo sources that I follow:

* The Paizo Blog

The Design Team:
* Jason Bulmahn, Director of Game Design
* Stephen Radney MacFarland, Senior Designer
* Mark Seifter, Designer
* Logan Bonner, Designer

Other Paizo People:
* Lisa Stevens, CEO
* Erik Mona, Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
* James Jacobs, Creative Director
* Vic Wertz, Chief Technical Officer

A few notes. — The Paizo Blog typically has a delay before it shows up on the RSS feed, I'm not sure why. So it's not the most timely way to be notified of new blog posts. — Of the designers Mark Seifter is by far the most active on the forums. He was a super-fan and super-poster before he joined the team as a designer, and it shows. — James Jacobs's feed is also very busy, but focuses on content about Golarion and Paizo's published adventures (he avoids talking about rules so as not to step on the toes of the design team).

[Hmm]

^ Joe M, I liked this post so much that I linked to it here where I figured that more people might have a chance of finding it.

Hmm

[MuddyVolcano]

Joe M. wrote:

Joe M. wrote:

Joe M. wrote:

Gregg Reece wrote:

Oh, I just hide all of them.

Yeah, I recommend hiding them. You'll never persuade folks to stop yelling about the Paladin; best you can do is make liberal use of the hide thread function.

Oh, and this is even better when you set up an RSS reader to collect posts from the designers and other prominent Paizo staff. That way you see whatever bits of information they drop while the long and overheated threads don't crowd your view of the forum.

I've already hidden the weapons blog thread. Catching up with it this morning I felt like it had run out of usefulness for me (I ~really~ don't care about bickering over weapon names). But if Mark or anyone else from Paizo posts in the thread I'll see it on my RSS.

Somebody asked me about this by private message, so in case anyone else is curious I've put my response in a spoiler here:

** spoiler omitted **...

Haha, you have solved everything, sir. This is amazing. :D

I've made a few posts to bring out the roots of some of these debates, so they can get better attention and that brainstorms can happen--but it's darn tiring. Yeah, I know it'll needs to happen, but it'd need to happen a lot, and it's always easier to push a big red button--

--instead of addressing and breaking down the roots of whatever issue. Any community is like this, any debate; it isn't specific to paladins, Pathfinder, or anything.

This is even true when so many of the "roots" are outright stated by posters as *not* being paladin-specific. Such as: "I don't want to wait for other options," or "I just don't like alignment" or "I just want a tank class that plays like x; it doesn't have to be paladin, but paladin's in Core and I want Core."

The barbarian too, seems to have been forgotten in the middle of all this, who is a great "tank" class. I mean, bringing the discussion forward from a place of innovation such as: "more barbarian options" or "the cavalier/knight, which will be in the book after PHB1" is a more positive approach because it brings everyone to the table with ideas as its Ground Zero. With the current threads, the Ground Zero is attack. Big, but subtle difference.

Tl;dr: All these individual frustrations get rolled up into one thing, which just makes them harder to address because they're really composed of smaller pieces. It's a general community/debate problem, and isn't specific to the topic at hand at all, so please don't get frustrated; use Joe's method in the meantime to avoid it. It'll keep happening due to human nature until or unless alternative, more positive routes can be presented in a big (loud) way that cuts through the fog of floofy frustration and flails. XD

[Paladin_Knight_marshmallow]

And I was almost afraid we wouldn't need these threads anymore! HA!

[Sara Marie]

Removed some posts and replies targeting a community member.

You can always use the ∅ feature to hid threads.

[Sara Marie]

Personally, I definitely agree that the Paladin threads are getting quite tiresome. They seem to always end up running around in circles and needing intervention or locking.

I'm really looking forward to and dreading the Paladin Playtest Blog. I'm playing a paladin in Stephen's Playtest lunch game and I'm excited to see what and how stuff is explained or teased. I'm also dreading moderation for that thread and will probably be fairly heavy handed with it out of necessity for Diego's, Sam's and my own sanity.

[Steelfiredragon]

Sara Marie wrote:

Personally, I definitely agree that the Paladin threads are getting quite tiresome. They seem to always end up running around in circles and needing intervention or locking.

I'm really looking forward to and dreading the Paladin Playtest Blog. I'm playing a paladin in Stephen's Playtest lunch game and I'm excited to see what and how stuff is explained or teased. I'm also dreading moderation for that thread and will probably be fairly heavy handed with it out of necessity for Diego's, Sam's and my own sanity.

oh queen of the forums, I do feel sorry for you and your team of forum knights when that day happens.

, can you spoil us with minor tid bits on the paladin if you can?

[Sara Marie]

Are you asking me to break the rules in a thread about paladins? ;)

[Hmm]

That depends on whether your deity considers it an anathema!

Hmm

[Ser Guii de Facien]

Sara Marie wrote:

Are you asking me to break the rules in a thread about paladins? ;)

"Well played, Miss, well played!"

[Steelfiredragon]

Sara Marie wrote:

Are you asking me to break the rules in a thread about paladins? ;)

so you mean to tell me that you cant even tell me how many times the words "and" and "the" will appear in its description/////

oh and rules are meant to be bent not broken