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If a players wants to seduce you farmers daughter/son, barmaid/bartender, merchants daughter/son, etc how do you like to handle it? How/what game mechanics do you allow/use for this type of thing? Is it strictly a RP thing in your games?
How about just making friends and contacts?
i use the Nymphology -Blue Magic book from WotC for 3.e converted into pathfinder. most everything in the book can be converted fairly easily.
i once created an entire character based on doing exactly this - seducing everything she looked at. it was actually a pretty interesting thing to role play given that im a guy (Rping outside of gender aside) its actually really fun and interesting watching the interactions you force your GM to have to make with you.
I say, let them do it. If you arn't comfortable with the tvMA stuff being spoken aloud at the table, then let them successfully seduce their target (or fail if they dont make their skill checks), then simply end scene and tell them the rest is left to their own imaginations. After that, have the farmer/bartender/husband/who-ever either take on the PC's as per cause/effect, or hire someone to do it for them...point in case, allow it, but have it mean more than just "guess what i did last night". have it impact the story in some way, and make it fun.
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If you're looking for game mechanics, I'd say that making friends is probably closest to Gather Information which is a Diplomacy check. Since Diplomacy is also a Charisma based skill, I would say that a Diplomacy check is the most appropriate for making friends. As for seduction, I'd call it both a Diplomacy and a Bluff check. Diplomacy to convince the person to be friendly to you, Bluff to prevent them from seeing your ulterior motives.
Of course, if you have a very good role player, I would give them some bonuses to the skill if they're willing to act it out and bring some fun to the table. I would, however, still force a skill check - Just because your player happens to have spent 4 years in theater does not mean he can build a 7 charisma female orc fighter and go off seducing the BBEG bard. Your abilities as a role player should enhance your character, not totally define it - otherwise how in the world does anyone play a bard before their 20-somethings? (Face it, we were all introverts then.)
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Well, it depends - whaddya mean by 'seduction'?
Generally speaking it comes down to Diplomacy (used to represent an honest, nuanced approach) or Bluff (lying bastard), with some minor circumstance modifiers for things like fame or thoughtfulness, if the player prefers to use a mechanic or the NPC isn't important. The more important the NPC is to me/the player, though, the more likely it's going to be handled through roleplaying. Sometimes great moments evolve from there, y'know?
My group added it as a houseruled in skill of its own, mostly because:
1. It's funny
2. It is normally covered by multiple skills and this is easier to judge.
Dot for later.
I usually say any attempt at seduction is successful if the player can convince another player at the table to play the role of the NPC, and they LARP everything.
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First, when a player tries to seduce someone, I roll a percentile die. Currently the US population is ~10% homosexual. If the NPC is gay, that will change what happens next.
Second, I handle it just like a diplomacy check with appropriate modifiers. If a NPC is a prude, seduction gets a penalty. If they are crazy open, then its a bonus.
If the PC gets the NPC to friendly, then they can get what they want from there.
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Off-camera.
For some reason I am picturing Lazar, from Your Highness...
Dot for later.
ARG! I wasted a golden opportunity!
Clearly, I should have said, "Dot for interest."
lousy awesome lame joke lines I come up with after-the-fact...
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Dot for later.ARG! I wasted a golden opportunity!
Clearly, I should have said, "Dot for interest."
lousy awesome lame joke lines I come up with after-the-fact...
There, there.
There, there.
Quick seduction:
-Flat CHA roll. You show your sexiness and I manufacture a DC based on personality (which would generally very betweem 10 & 25)
Romance:
-I use relationship rules from ultimate campaign, lightly modified so as to allow quicker growth.
Actual physical acts:
-Off camera. You can seduce the barmaid, but I sure as hell am not going to roleplay you making out with her.
Actual physical acts:
-Off camera. You can seduce the barmaid, but I sure as hell am not going to roleplay you making out with her.
Aww!! Rip off!
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Quick seduction:
-Flat CHA roll. You show your sexiness and I manufacture a DC based on personality (which would generally very betweem 10 & 25)
Every Barbarian ever: "I have 7 charisma, I don't play that. I flex my shirt off with a 25 strength check; she wet yet?"
Actual physical acts:
-Off camera. You can seduce the barmaid, but I sure as hell am not going to roleplay you making out with her.
Reminds me of the topic where a DM came here all confused because his druid PC wanted to use Wildshape to impregnate some sort of giant bird. Best response was something along the lines of:
"Do it, but make him roleplay it out. Look him dead in the eye the whole time and go SCHWACK repeatedly. If he turns away from you, yell LOOK ME IN THE EYE."
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Mechanical = DC equal to targets Cha + CR/level + Alignment difference in steps..(CE seducing LG would be a 4 step mod) vs Cha + CR/level + rp bonus.
I had a player many years ago that tried to seduce everything, so I came up with a very simple system, and only allow one try per game week for a target.
But that's all boring I guess.
I mainly tried to streamline it for the other players benefit.
Usually seduction seems to be handled with reaction rolls and Diplomacy. We once had a DM who would try to roleplay seduction, but the fact he looked like HBO boxing analyst Max Kellerman made it tough for us to pretend he was a beautiful woman. The beard really threw us off.
Regarding Druids, there was one named Horace Draper with an Int of 7 and a horse animal companion which "didn't say No" though other PCs noted it said, "neigh". We were saddened and amused all at once.
You better believe that in real life uncharismatic wizards with tons of power who can protect their significant others are going to be attracting whomever they want.
I know it is a nitpick, but I don't believe that there are uncharismatic wizards with tons of power "in real life".
You better believe that in real life uncharismatic wizards with tons of power who can protect their significant others are going to be attracting whomever they want.I know it is a nitpick, but I don't believe that there are uncharismatic wizards with tons of power "in real life".
Replace "wizard" with "millionaire."
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It also depends on the campaign setting.
Nowadays, fornication is a fairly common thing, and marriage is almost like a used tissue thrown into the trash (Very sad generation we live in). Today's society doesn't much pressure on "staying true" and "stay pure".
However, in the past, it was highly frowned upon. When I say frowned upon, I also include that fornicators in the law of Moses were stoned to death. Muslims still have strict rulings in regard to Chasity. Because of lack of birth control (though they did have some methods...) it was a really hard thing to hide as a woman.
Not to mention that meeting a guy and having sex with them that night wasn't really something that occurred often. Adultery, unless the person was TRYING to cheat, often occurs after some courtship, but definitely not one day. Fornication was also something that didn't happen in one, unless that person was already in the habit of doing so.
In a pathfinder game, I'd put anyone that's lawful off the list of potential targets for seduction. They have trained themselves to follow a code, and don't fall easily, if at all, to their carnal desires.
A married person, unless unhappily married, would be off the list too.
People that follow a Lawful deity would support marriage, and would be denying their faith to fall for such seduction. (They may even be killed).
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I don't feel like sexuality and seduction have any place in my games. If someone wants to try to seduce an NPC they can roll a diplomacy check if they get them to beyond helpful they can 'fade to black' and do whatever, as long as I don't have to hear about it.
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@Frodo - It is true that at various points in history folks would stone women to death, drown them, and burn them at the stake for various sexual and religious infractions, real or imagined. In some places they still set them on fire, pour acid on them, etc. Through it all, society's abuse of women couldn't really stop human sexuality from expressing itself in a wide variety of ways though.
Anyhow, while Tolkien maintained a high level of decorum, the fantasy of Pathfinder and Golarion is probably as likely to be based on something like Game of Thrones. As an aside, "Tam Lin" by Fairport Convention is a great song about supernatural fornication in medieval Scotland.
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@FrodoOf9Fingers: IMO, you overstate things somewhat, but such things certainly have happened in the real world.
In a pathfinder game, I'd put anyone that's lawful off the list of potential targets for seduction. They have trained themselves to follow a code, and don't fall easily, if at all, to their carnal desires.
Lymneris and Asharra, the LG Empyreal lords of prostitution and relatively casual sex (respectively) beg to disagree with you. As do the LE Zon-Kuthon and his friends the Kytons as well as a couple of Arch-Devils.
A married person, unless unhappily married, would be off the list too.
People that follow a Lawful deity would support marriage, and would be denying their faith to fall for such seduction.
This is probably fairly true
(They may even be killed).
Not in a Good-aligned religion.
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@FrodoOf9Fingers: IMO, you overstate things somewhat, but such things certainly have happened in the real world.
In a pathfinder game, I'd put anyone that's lawful off the list of potential targets for seduction. They have trained themselves to follow a code, and don't fall easily, if at all, to their carnal desires.Lymneris and Asharra, the LG Empyreal lords of prostitution and relatively casual sex (respectively) beg to disagree with you. As do the LE Zon-Kuthon and his friends the Kytons as well as a couple of Arch-Devils.
A married person, unless unhappily married, would be off the list too.
People that follow a Lawful deity would support marriage, and would be denying their faith to fall for such seduction.This is probably fairly true
(They may even be killed).Not in a Good-aligned religion.
Without going into this TOO much, fornication and adultery are not in a nation's best interests. There are tons of statistical proof regarding children who lack one or both parents do worse in school, have higher crime rates, etc... (Although there are exceptions to this rule, and not every parent was placed into said position by choice. It's a generalization, but it's true). As fornication and adultery increase, more families are broken up, or are started without two parents, causing higher and higher percentages of children in families without both parents.
As for "not in a good aligned religion", why not? (This is a really, really touchy subject mind you, calling someone's real world faith lawful neutral or lawful evil is not very tactful). As for reasons stated above, does a "good" deity have to have laws that make everyone happy? Or does a "good" deity enact laws that are in the best interests of a nation? I think either can be determined as good, at least according to Pathfinder. In my opinion, however, good for a nation follows a more lawful approach to good, and good for the individual is a more chaotic approach to good.
Lawful Evil deities promoting fornication is not news, Satan in the christian faith would be considered lawful evil (He attempts to have us break God's laws, so that we lose the blessings that God gives us).
@Devilkiller It wasn't just women they killed, men were also stoned to death, it was just harder for women to hide it.
Another thing of note is that cross racial relationships are typically frowned upon in pathfinder, so that can cause the DC of a check to seduce to come up.
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Another thing of note is that cross racial relationships are typically frowned upon in pathfinder, so that can cause the DC of a check to seduce to come up.
Where is it stated that anti-miscegenation laws and views are common in Pathfinder or Golarion?
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Without going into this TOO much, fornication and adultery are not in a nation's best interests. There are tons of statistical proof regarding children who lack one or both parents do worse in school, have higher crime rates, etc... (Although there are exceptions to this rule, and not every parent was placed into said position by choice. It's a generalization, but it's true). As fornication and adultery increase, more families are broken up, or are started without two parents, causing higher and higher percentages of children in families without both parents.
This so rife with assumptions I don't even know what to say. Alright, let's give it a shot:
1. Promiscuity and having children are not synonymous. Especially in a setting with magic.
2. You're talking like promiscuity and adultery are synonymous. They are not. Adultery (as in, y'know, cheating on your partner/spouse) is, in fact, I think something Lawful characters would disapprove of, but open relationships, polyamory, and casual sex when one isn't in a relationship are all entirely different things than adultery per se. And not something I think being Lawful would prevent.
As for "not in a good aligned religion", why not? (This is a really, really touchy subject mind you, calling someone's real world faith lawful neutral or lawful evil is not very tactful).
Uh...what real world religion? Jesus sorta came out on the side of not doing that ("Let he who has no sin among you..."), and Islam, as a religion, acknowledges that Jesus was right about pretty much everything he said (though Mohammed's instructions do override his). So...what religions (as opposed to cultures) are you referring to that consider death for adultery the right thing to do?
As for reasons stated above, does a "good" deity have to have laws that make everyone happy? Or does a "good" deity enact laws that are in the best interests of a nation? I think either can be determined as good, at least according to Pathfinder. In my opinion, however, good for a nation follows a more lawful approach to good, and good for the individual is a more chaotic approach to good.
A Good deity must have laws that are Good. They don't need to make anyone happy, except inasmuch as happy is a good thing, but they need to be either just or merciful. Some punishment for adultery is just (if perhaps not merciful), but death is an extremely unjust and excessive punishment given the nature of the crime (which amounts to emotional damage and possibly breach of contract). You might as well kill children for bullying or people for reneging on business deals. All of those things are bad, but none warrant death.
Lawful Evil deities promoting fornication is not news, Satan in the christian faith would be considered lawful evil (He attempts to have us break God's laws, so that we lose the blessings that God gives us).
Hey, you're the one who said Lawful (not LG people, just Lawful) people wouldn't indulge in such things. I was simply providing counterexamples.
Also, you didn't respond to my note on the LG god of prostitution or the LG god/goddess of at least somewhat casual sex.
@Devilkiller It wasn't just women they killed, men were also stoned to death, it was just harder for women to hide it.
Not nearly as often. Those cultures were seriously sexist.
Another thing of note is that cross racial relationships are typically frowned upon in pathfinder, so that can cause the DC of a check to seduce to come up.
Uh...there's very little evidence of this anywhere. People are prejudiced against Orcs (somewhat justifiably), and thus think Half-Orcs are bad news, and Half-Elves tend to wind up feeling a little out-of-place...but that's a far cry from all inter-species liaisons being frowned upon.
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"Half-elves can breed with one another, but even these "pureblood" half-elves tend to be viewed as bastards by humans and elves alike."
I guess I was basing that on how the resultant is frowned upon, humans view half elves as embarrassments, and elves disown them.
Uh, speaking as a literal bastard*...that's not necessarily what that means. Like at all. You're reading things into that statement that are not written there explicitly.
*Though I hope not a metaphorical one. :) And before anyone asks...my parents have been together over 30 years and are very happy. They just never got married.
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I see, that's why your being so defensive right now. I meant no offense. I'm happy that your parents have stayed together :).
The second sentence in that line, however, were also quotes from the race guide. "Elves have difficulty accepting crossbreeds of any sort, however, and usually disown such offspring. "Humans might look apon... and half-elves and half-orcs as embarrassments"
As for what real world religions? The Law of Moses was very real, and is practiced today amoung Jews. Islam countries still stones fornicators, as can be seen by several media reports (Though note that the media does skew things, a man being stoned for fornication doesn't tell as good a story as a woman being stoned).
I always imagined that doing something "good" was doing that which was in the best interest. So, doing something good to someone might be to ground a child from playing video games until they get that F off their report card, as well a rewarding that same child for doing the dishes.
Your counter examples are correct, for the world of pathfinder :P. My response wasn't clear, but my thoughts on whether Promiscuity was lawful or unlawful was based on whether it was good or bad for the society. "I think either can be determined as good, at least according to Pathfinder. In my opinion, however, good for a nation follows a more lawful approach to good, and good for the individual is a more chaotic approach to good." So those deities would be more unlawful, in my opinion. I guess not in the world of pathfinder though.
Your right, there were a lot of sexist cultures. I think I was trying to get people to understand that there were (and are) cultures that stone both men and women without much sexism (though individual cases might show sexism).
Finally, about my assumptions...
I was speaking on a very generalized scale, which will always be the case with dealing with statistics. As such, Promiscuity leads to pregnancies, which leads to children. Always? No. But it does happen quite often. Adultery is fornication, going by the common definition of fornication. (Google says "sexual intercourse between people not married to each other") Having "Free Sex", which I believe is having sex without really having a relationship (I could be wrong), is a somewhat chaotic notion in my opinion. I would consider myself to be a Lawful person too, and I find many others with the same opinion, though admittedly, they tend to be older.
I apologize if my opinions were offensive in any kind of way. I meant nothing of that sort. I don't base my opinions off of false information though, if you want to know some of the statistics I was referencing, you can google most of them. I do feel highly opinionated that having children without having both parents stay together through out the child's life is not in the best interests of the child, their community, or their nation. (there are exceptions of course, statistics are generalized. For instance, I wouldn't be the person to judge someone for getting a divorce. What if abuse was involved? We don't know everything, so we can't judge)
EDIT: I forgot to mention that stoning someone in the Islamic faith is incorrect, although it still happens.
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I see, that's why your being so defensive right now. I meant no offense. I'm happy that your parents have stayed together :).
Huh? I'm not really feeling that defensive. Certainly not about that, I don't usually walk around thinking of myself as a bastard most days (it just doesn't come up very often), and frankly, it had nothing to do with any but my most recent post.
And, in regards to my parents, so am I. :)
The second sentence in that line, however, were also quotes from the race guide. "Elves have difficulty accepting crossbreeds of any sort, however, and usually disown such offspring. "Humans might look apon... and half-elves and half-orcs as embarrassments"
That's...really not that indicative. Especially with the context (the worst humans might think of all other races) and the 'might'. I mean, basing there being a thing against interracial stuff on that is like assuming all humans think all Halflings are thieves (another stereotype mentioned in that paragraph). Which simply isn't anything near universally true.
As for what real world religions? The Law of Moses was very real, and is practiced today amoung Jews. Islam countries still stones fornicators, as can be seen by several media reports (Though note that the media does skew things, a man being stoned for fornication doesn't tell as good a story as a woman being stoned).
I don't think that there are any Jewish communities of any size that execute adulterers right now. And, as I mentioned, Islam itself doesn't inherently support that practice in any real sense. It's primarily cultural, not religious.
I always imagined that doing something "good" was doing that which was in the best interest. So, doing something good to someone might be to ground a child from playing video games until they get that F off their report card, as well a rewarding that same child for doing the dishes.
This is legitimate...for children. And thus possibly for Gods in regards to mortals to some degree...but even there, treating your worshipers as children who don't know what's best for themselves without being punished and rewarded in measured doses doesn't sound very Good. More Neutral, really. A Good God should inform their worshippers of what is right, and, for the most part, at least on day to day stuff, trust that they'll do it, as led by the priests of said God.
Your counter examples are correct, for the world of pathfinder :P. My response wasn't clear, but my thoughts on whether Promiscuity was lawful or unlawful was based on whether it was good or bad for the society. "I think either can be determined as good, at least according to Pathfinder. In my opinion, however, good for a nation follows a more lawful approach to good, and good for the individual is a more chaotic approach to good." So those deities would be more unlawful, in my opinion. I guess not in the world of pathfinder though.
I can see that rationale. I don't necessarily agree, though. I think Lawful people probably tend more towards some sort of formal and long-term arrangement than Chaotic people, but that's a tendency, not a rule, and I think the form might vary wildly (the Prostitution thing mentioned is very Lawful in any society where it's legal, as a contract with specific obligations on both sides, just for example).
Your right, there were a lot of sexist cultures. I think I was trying to get people to understand that there were (and are) cultures that stone both men and women without much sexism (though individual cases might show sexism).
I dunno. There are certainly cultures where men and women are both stoned, but I'm pretty sure even there, women are much more likely than men to be stoned because of things involving sex.
Finally, about my assumptions...
I was speaking on a very generalized scale, which will always be the case with dealing with statistics. As such, Promiscuity leads to pregnancies, which leads to children. Always? No. But it does happen quite often.
True to some degree...but there is birth control, both in the real world and certainly in a world with magic. If using such things this becomes much less of an issue.
Adultery is fornication, going by the common definition of fornication. (Google says "sexual intercourse between people not married to each other") Having "Free Sex", which I believe is having sex without really having a relationship (I could be wrong), is a somewhat chaotic notion in my opinion. I would consider myself to be a Lawful person too, and I find many others with the same opinion, though admittedly, they tend to be older.
Adultery is a subtype of fornication (or sex, or whatever you want to call it). Like a square is a kind of rectangle. Or a demon is a subtype of Outsiders. I agree that lawful people would look askance at adultery (though I think Good aligned people in general would as well)...I'm less convinced that they would look with such disfavor on all casual sex. One night stands and random sex with strangers do seem more Chaotic than Lawful, I admit, but a 'friends with benefits' type thing, where there's an ongoing non-romantic relationship, plus sex, or sex as part of a religious ritual, or a dozen other possibilities seem perfectly reasonable as Lawful behavior to me.
Of course, so is absolute monogamy. :)
I'm not saying all Lawful regions are free-sex type places, I'm saying they can be, just as a Chaotic area could be seriously anti free-sex (if the common clan-feuds are solved only through marriage and children, having sex outside approved channels might be immensely frowned upon, for example).
I apologize if my opinions were offensive in any kind of way. I meant nothing of that sort.
Eh...your opinions weren't inherently offensive per se, but resembled the lead-in a lot of people use to eventually justify saying legitimately offensive things. I don't think that's your intent at this point, but if I was at all defensive, it was for this reason, not anything personal in my history.
I don't base my opinions off of false information though, if you want to know some of the statistics I was referencing, you can google most of them. I do feel highly opinionated that having children without having both parents stay together through out the child's life is not in the best interests of the child, their community, or their nation. (there are exceptions of course, statistics are generalized. For instance, I wouldn't be the person to judge someone for getting a divorce. What if abuse was involved? We don't know everything, so we can't judge)
Actually, I never argued with your statistics. You're right, children do best with two fairly happy parents. All the data supports this. There is a corollary, though. Children do better with one unhappy parent than two, and much better with one happy parent than two unhappy ones. So...even sans abuse, divorce can be good for the kids if the parents are unhappy enough.
Still better to be raised by two happy parents who get along, though.
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At its most basic:
Diplomacy if they mean it, Bluff if they don't. Intimidate followed by the previous if you wanna go full bodice-ripper.
And if it is a Farmer's Daughter, make sure Daddy is a retired Ranger at least two levels higher than the PC. Composite-Bow Weddings are always fun.
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So, thinking about this a little more...
The current religions tied to "stoning fornicators" would be any religion that have roots in the Mosaic law. God, as is commonly believed, is unchanging, therefore if the laws he presented back then were lawful/neutral instead of lawful good,, then he would be lawful/neutral today, and faiths hold him to be Lawful Good :P
Even if Jewish people don't practice it, they still do believe in a God who would make those commandments, and so to call that God lawful/neutral might be offensive to some.
Your right about the races, I was simply trying to relate why I had the false notion that inter racial marriages were frowned upon.
I wonder though, there are tons of half race babies that their mothers don't even want. Why wouldn't they abort? Of course, there's many reasons, but half drow babies are killed -after- they are born, leading me to think that contraceptives a little more rare than we'd think, even in a world with magic. I haven't heard of any contraceptives or abortions in any campaign's I've played, though I haven't played any. Have you seen any content like that? Though just because it's never mentioned doesn't mean it's not there... Sounds like a James Jacobs question!
I know you didn't question the statistics, I just wanted to throw it out there :P
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So, thinking about this a little more...
I wonder though, there are tons of half race babies that their mothers don't even want. Why wouldn't they abort?
I imagine Pharasma would disapprove strongly. And she's a goddess and very powerful.
Edit: I would think Pharasmins would also run reliable orphanages and reliable adoption services. And all rather pragmatic, since Pharasma is Neutral.
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All of this talk about stoning people to death for the greater good seems misleading to me. In one old story I heard, somebody asked whoever was without sin to cast the first stone at an adulteress, but apparently nobody stepped up to the plate. I’m with that guy on this one. Pretending that people weren't horny in previous eras doesn't have much to do with the subject of how one should handle horny PCs in a Pathfinder game though, so maybe we should get back on track with a focus on fun.
When sex comes up in our games it is mostly a joke. One time a female PC (played by an actual woman) in a game I was running decided to have sex with an amorous Flail Snail. As an entomologist the player was aware of the details of snail sex and apparently decided it might be fun. The in game details were limited but disturbing. During an undercover adventure I also once roleplayed another PC into allowing himself to be sodomized by drow to help avoid blowing our cover. It was an instant classic. Just using Diplomacy and saying "I rolled a 34, you know you want it!" wouldn't have been as amusing as making people decide how a PC or NPC would feel and act in a certain situation.
Regarding the "half" races, I don't think that the presence of prejudice in Golarion is supposed to imply that it is a good thing. To me it seems to offer something that the PCs can strive against.
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Rocking chairs are overpowered.
Nah, rocking chairs are cool. It's those rocket chairs that give you nightmares.
If a players wants to seduce you farmers daughter/son, barmaid/bartender, merchants daughter/son, etc how do you like to handle it? How/what game mechanics do you allow/use for this type of thing? Is it strictly a RP thing in your games?
How about just making friends and contacts?
In my games it's a mixture between simple RP and Diplomacy. The general RP aspect generally affects the final Diplomacy DC. This has come up several before in my games and in fact one of the shapeshifting PCs in my current campaign recently seduced a wandering priestess into a one-day stand and managed to do it while in a form the priestess wasn't even initially attracted to (essentially the PC was so charming that the NPC went through an experimental phase).
I'm a bit busy prepping for a game I'm running for a friend today and about to fix breakfast so I'm going to cut it short here, but if anyone wants a more detailed explanation of how I resolve seduction (breaking down the numbers and such), I'll be happy to expand on it later.
In my games it's a mixture between simple RP and Diplomacy. The general RP aspect generally affects the final Diplomacy DC. This has come up several before in my games and in fact one of the shapeshifting PCs in my current campaign recently seduced a wandering priestess into a one-day stand and managed to do it while in a form the priestess wasn't even initially attracted to (essentially the PC was so charming that the NPC went through an experimental phase).If a players wants to seduce you farmers daughter/son, barmaid/bartender, merchants daughter/son, etc how do you like to handle it? How/what game mechanics do you allow/use for this type of thing? Is it strictly a RP thing in your games?
How about just making friends and contacts?
This and a (set of?) basic Charisma checks are what I use.
Mostly it's entirely based on the PC/NPC reaction. Sometimes (dependent on the NPC's and, or course, the PC's natures and interaction) it happens without the PC's intent. Sometimes it's only by direct and repeated attempts (such as Arael and Hand of the Inheritor in Council of Thieves - that was... an interesting and protracted series of - eventually successful - attempts to seduce NPCs).
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Off camera. The other players at the table aren't interested in listening to you role-play your seducing of the farmer's daughter unless it affects something else larger in the game world. Like for some reason she's a McGuffin and you need her to tag along but don't want her to know why so you bed her to get her to follow you.
Outside of that, go get your kicks elsewhere. I have a game of Big Damn Heros™ to play.
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Replace "wizard" with "millionaire."You better believe that in real life uncharismatic wizards with tons of power who can protect their significant others are going to be attracting whomever they want.I know it is a nitpick, but I don't believe that there are uncharismatic wizards with tons of power "in real life".
I imagine non-charismatic folks who can throw things like money, physical prowess, or indeed magic at people in the interest of seduction are effectively using their talents as a means of achieving a potentially-massive circumstance bonus.
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If a players wants to seduce you farmers daughter/son, barmaid/bartender, merchants daughter/son, etc how do you like to handle it? How/what game mechanics do you allow/use for this type of thing? Is it strictly a RP thing in your games?
A mix of Diplomacy and maybe a "yeah, sure, whatever", since we're not really all that interested in that in our games.
Some people may call that "unsatisfying". Our group is thankful.
How about just making friends and contacts?
This is almost always through long-term RPing, with Diplomacy checks at certain 'appropriate' times (which we won't know until they come up - it always varies).
It hasn't come up in our games, but if it did, I would use the diplomacy rules here to make a DC for said seduction, and then let it happen off-camera:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9606632&postcount=2
There may or may not be consequences, depending on who was seduced.
I think, as a GM, I'd have to question why the PC is doing this. If there's a reason behind it other than "cause I want to" then I'd probably go with diplomacy. Fortunately I tend to play with players, and recruit players who don't feel the need to prove their "prowess" by seducing characters in a game.
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It all depends on the charector. I use the 3 (sometimes 4) F's for reasons a charector becomes a pc. Some seek Fame, Others seek Fortune. Still adventure for Family.... the sometimes fourth F is Freedom, buts thats more an escaped slave or slave hunting style.
I mean thousands upon thousands of people go to bars in the current day for social reasons, why should my young hero be any different...
that being said 3/4's of my charectors have families like wives, husbands and children already at home. So its not every charector i play that wants to bed the pretty barmaid etc. . .