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So, after getting all hot and bothered by all the new weapons and armors, I decided to make a top ten list of all the new builds I could think of that are now possible using the new items. I included everything you need to build them, the new weapon/armor/shield they make use of, and even a little backstory about how they would be played (in my mind, that part is flexable of course.) If you have suggestions to add to the group, let me know and if I think it makes the cut, I'll put it up there with credit to you..
I tried to stick to new concepts that were in some way interesting new takes or new ideas that couldn't have been accomplished before. Like a Hobgoblin with a concussive bow . . . that's neat, I've never seen that before. Or a Swashbuckler with a bow staff, that's neat.
Anyway, I hope you enjoy. If you have any questions, please ask them POLITELY.
I had an idea for a Braggart Swashbuckler with shuriken; Antagonize can be kind of hard to use since you're a melee character and you can just be attacked, but if you're playing with shuriken and hiding behind a polearm fighter then you've become extremely annoying very quickly.
The big issue is that demoralize is once per enemy and you can't really tumble through if you're trying to stay out of melee so it's hard to get panache. Not sure how worth it it would be to archetype into Ranger for Hunted Shot and just use the +2 on normal attacks instead of finishers.
Neat. Only thing I'll note is flying blade only works with agile or finesse thrown weapons so boomerang is out.They really need to fix that. Boomerangs SHOULD be allowed by flying blade.
I'll fix it later. I can change the build around slightly and it'll work still using Boomerangs.
I think it might have been intentionally changed at some point along with the same restriction on rogues sneak attacking with thrown weapons. Not certain about that though.
Edit: was probably always like this.
Note, Flying Blade is more restrictive. Sneak Attack only limits Thrown melee weapons to Agile or Finesse. All other ranged weapons are valid for Sneak Attack.
I had an idea for a Braggart Swashbuckler with shuriken; Antagonize can be kind of hard to use since you're a melee character and you can just be attacked, but if you're playing with shuriken and hiding behind a polearm fighter then you've become extremely annoying very quickly.
The big issue is that demoralize is once per enemy and you can't really tumble through if you're trying to stay out of melee so it's hard to get panache. Not sure how worth it it would be to archetype into Ranger for Hunted Shot and just use the +2 on normal attacks instead of finishers.
Fencer m/c Gunslinger with Pistol Twirl will let you ranged Feint for panache.
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Fencer would be more straightforward for a thrown weapon swashbuckler build, but the point is to utilize Antagonize so feinting doesn't help with that.
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tentacle potion is game changing
even if ability to hold item doesn't allow them to wield weapon it is still too good
Yeah, there was some talk about it allowing a thaumaturge to hold all three implements at once. Downside: I don't know how to get them so that you can have enough level 4 potions to just spend them all the time. If you find out a way to get free level 4 potions on a daily basis, let me know and I'll do a writeup of the build.
Since this thread is about the new armors and weapons, I thought I'd let everyone know that I've updated my Armor Tables with the new armors and added the new finesse weapons to my Finesse Tables.
They might be useful references for these builds.
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I am curious...why a Witch for the one with the hammer? Isn't it basically just a magus?
So, no. Magus gets up to master in attacks and armor, but also a max of 4 spells at any given time with bounded spellcasting. The witch gets full spellcasting. In addition, a lot of people complain that there are instances where spells are useless, like against golems or will’o-wisps. Well this at least gives you an option in those instances. Plus it’s just fun when you witch crits for like, 3d10+6 or whatever.
As for why witch? I wanted a full caster that has simple weapon proficiency (for dwarven weapon familiarity) so no wizard. I say in the build you can do it with other spellcasters like sorcerers or whatnot, I just chose witch.
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Another fun use for the Barricade Buster is as a Starlit Span Magus. Finally, the Gunmage is a viable build!
Also, Giant Barbarian wielding a Nodachi. You are the biggest boi, wielding the biggest sword. (Probably want to be a human for Unconventional Weaponry)
Finally, the best way I can think of to properly use the Wrecker weapon is a Dwarven Ranger. Precision edge, running reload, and you should be fine, I think.
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Another fun use for the Barricade Buster is as a Starlit Span Magus. Finally, the Gunmage is a viable build!
Also, Giant Barbarian wielding a Nodachi. You are the biggest boi, wielding the biggest sword. (Probably want to be a human for Unconventional Weaponry)
Finally, the best way I can think of to properly use the Wrecker weapon is a Dwarven Ranger. Precision edge, running reload, and you should be fine, I think.
Not really sure about the other builds being that unique, but I did build out the dwarf ranger as it allows a dwarf to use the same weapon for melee and ranged, which is a build I haven't seen before.
To use the Barricade Buster, I personally like the idea of going Half Elf Precision Ranger and getting both Archer and Psychic Dedications. The First for Point Blank Shot, the second for Psy Strikes. Sadly, due to the volume of feats, it only works in FA games, and due to Volley, only after level 4.
d10 + half STR looks good enough to be able to forgo using an Animal Companion as a ranged precision ranger and not feel bad about it.
Would look something like this:
Human (Half-Elf) Ranger, Precision Edge
STR 14 DEX 18 CON 12 INT 10 WIS 14 CHA 10
Ranger Feats
lvl 1: Hunted Shot
lvl 2: Gravity Weapon
lvl 4: Far Shot
lvl 6: Animal Feature
lvl 8: Warden's Boon
lvl 10: Blind Fight
lvl 12: Warden's Focus
lvl 14: Double Prey
lvl 16: Shared Prey
lvl 18: Warden's Wellspring
lvl 20: Triple Threat
FA feats
lvl 2: Archer Dedication
lvl 4 Point-Blank Shot
lvl 6: Quick Shot
lvl 8: Sniping Duo Dedication
lvl 9 (Multitalented): Psychic Dedication
lvl 10: Any level 1 or 2 feat
lvl 12: Psi Strikes
lvl 14: Parallel Breakthrough
lvl 16: Basic Psychic Spellcasting
lvl 18: Strain Mind
lvl 20: Thought Sense
Ancestry feats
lvl 1: Unconventional Weaponry
lvl 5: Nimble Elf
lvl 9: Multitalented
lvl 13: Whatever
Lvl 17 Whatever
The idea is to start as a Ranger with a gun and become with time into sort of a spellgunner. With Psychic Dedication I would pick either Shield or Warp Step (combines really well with Animal Feature if you use one at turn 1 for one of the speeds and the other later on), for another 1 action Focus Spell to trigger Psi Strikes. The idea is to turn 1 use Hunt Prey and either use Point blank Shot and attack twice or Gravity Weapon/Animal Feature and attack twice.
With Parallel Breakthrough you can either grab another 1 action cantrip or go for Guidance.
I think it is a good mix of personal damage, defense, mobility and support. It also looks kinda cool to play.
The Sapling Shield makes the Tower Shield Champion or Fighter more viable. Before, you could raise your shield and take cover behind it, but not block with it at higher levels since it would just break. Plus, you can convert it into a buckler for easy storage when you're not in a fight.
I think Sapling Sheild might be good for fighting mounted in tower formation, buckler sized when dismounted.
I wonder, do Sheild Augmentations work on Bucklers?
I had an idea for a Braggart Swashbuckler with shuriken; Antagonize can be kind of hard to use since you're a melee character and you can just be attacked, but if you're playing with shuriken and hiding behind a polearm fighter then you've become extremely annoying very quickly.
The big issue is that demoralize is once per enemy and you can't really tumble through if you're trying to stay out of melee so it's hard to get panache. Not sure how worth it it would be to archetype into Ranger for Hunted Shot and just use the +2 on normal attacks instead of finishers.
You can Demoralize again at level 9, and you can always tumble in and out of the fray. Seems like it has merit.