The fighter class I'm reading says maximum of +4 max dex. That's how I read it on d20pfsrd.
Read it again.
Starting at 3rd level, a fighter learns to be more maneuverable while wearing armor. Whenever he is wearing armor, he reduces the armor check penalty by 1 (to a minimum of 0) and increases the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed by his armor by 1. Every four levels thereafter (7th, 11th, and 15th), these bonuses increase by +1 each time, to a maximum –4 reduction of the armor check penalty and a +4 increase of the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed.
It increases the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed.
Oh, well, my max dex is +4 anyways with an 18 Dex.
Oh, well, my max dex is +4 anyways with an 18 Dex.
Yup. But a lv 16 character should have so much gold that I expect you to have a +4 enhancement bonus to all your physical stats, making it a +6 Dex bonus.
This also opens up new options like wearing heavy armor and still benefiting from your full dexterity bonus, like the example of a Mithral Full Plate.
Oh, well, my max dex is +4 anyways with an 18 Dex.Yup. But a lv 16 character should have so much gold that I expect you to have a +4 enhancement bonus to all your physical stats, making it a +6 Dex bonus. This also opens up new options like wearing heavy armor and still benefiting from your full dexterity bonus, like the example of a Mithral Full Plate.
Or just get Celestial Full Plate, which has the added benefit of flight several times per day.
Our GM said he'll let us know about gold later. So not sure what I will have yet.
Quick question. How did you get your Dex to 18? I'm assuming you put the 17 into it and it looks like you spent all your stat raises on Str to get it to 24 so it cannot come from there.
[edit] Also for Power Attack, at level 16, the penalty will be -5 and the additional damage 15 points.
Quick question. How did you get your Dex to 18? I'm assuming you put the 17 into it and it looks like you spent all your stat raises on Str to get it to 24 so it cannot come from there.
I'm wondering that myself lol
[edit] Also for Power Attack, at level 16, the penalty will be -5 and the additional damage 15 points.
Furious Focus negates the penalty on the first attack of a round.
Furious Focus negates the penalty on the first attack of a round.
[edit] Also for Power Attack, at level 16, the penalty will be -5 and the additional damage 15 points.
No, I mean the damage bonus. It should go from +13 to +28 (not +25, i.e. 13+15=28).
No, I mean the damage bonus. It should go from +13 to +28 (not +25, i.e. 13+15=28).Furious Focus negates the penalty on the first attack of a round.
[edit] Also for Power Attack, at level 16, the penalty will be -5 and the additional damage 15 points.
Oh, yeah. I fixed that. I also fixed my Dex, my Ref, and my AC. I feel this character is good to go except for equipment. I'll probably enhance the Axe and upgrade the armor to Heavy, once I know how much money and whatnot that I'm working with.
You should consider Iron Will mandatory at that level IMHO. Expect to be rolling DC 25 or greater will saves, with nasty consequences for failure.I was suggesting Iron Will, too.
I did make my submission a dwarf for a reason....
If you aren't trying to be completely overpowering with a freaking Butchering Axe, I would (and did) suggest that you use a boring old greatsword.
If you want to use the Butchering Axe without going over the top, then you should have plenty feats to spare for Iron Will and the usual generic utility/survivability feats.
You argue against Enlarge Person as being too much, yet insist on the Butchering Axe?
If you are willing to burn the feat for EWP for the Butchering Axe, then it's probably time to go all out for damage... full murder hobo. Otherwise, that's a feat better spent on utility/survivability and you can use the greatsword...
Cleaving Smash and Great Cleave don't work too well together. I could switch out Great Cleave for Iron Will. Bringing my Will up to 13.
How much do Potions of Enlarge Person cost?
And couldn't I use my Advanced Weapon Training: Warrior Spirit to give it Impact?
That would make it 6d6, right?
Anyone?
Cleaving Smash and Great Cleave don't work too well together. I could switch out Great Cleave for Iron Will. Bringing my Will up to 13.
I'd rather be able to attack everything I can reach with my regular damage than hit two guys for extra.
Even with all the feats you've poured into it, Vital Strike still does less damage than your full attack. I don't think it's worth building a whole character around so much as it rounds you out so you're not stuck with one regular attack every time you have to move more than 5ft.
How much do Potions of Enlarge Person cost?
Potions are spell level × caster level × 50, so 1×1×50=50, in this case.
And couldn't I use my Advanced Weapon Training: Warrior Spirit to give it Impact?
Impact gives your weapon a virtual size increase. Your weapon deals damage "as if it were one size category larger." Enlarge Person actually makes you larger. So you end up with a large axe that deals damage as if it were huge. I believe it progresses as follows: 3d6, 4d6, 5d6...so 20d6 with Greater Vital Strike?
3d6/4d6/6d6 actually
Yuck.
I won't pretend to understand the logic behind such progressions, but there you have it.
The butchering axe and the horn bow are easily my least favorite weapons. And the fact that enlarge person and impact/lead blades are such auto-includes is a sad thing.
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Their racial bumps (Con and Wis) are where front-liners facing saves will need them, they have Hardy built-in, as well as Glory of Old and Steel Soul for trait and feat options.Because of that Saving Throw Bonus?I was suggesting Iron Will, too.I did make my submission a dwarf for a reason....
Also, because of "Slow and Steady?"Mobility shouldn't be a problem for a 16th-level character.
What do you think of the Spell Resistance Alternate Racial Trait that Dwarves have?
It depends on the your foreknowledge of the GM's typical monster deployment as to whether that or Hardy is better. If he starts bringing in things that top over your 16th-level character's 21SR, then you're better off with Hardy. (SR also doesn't work on poison, in case he's a big fan of things that go bite in the night.)
On the previous page, I had the 45pt-buy allocated thus:
STR: 18 (raise 16th + Manual of Gainful Exercise)
DEX: 16
CON+ 19 (raise 4th)
INT: 15 (raise 12th; throw new points into Fly)
WIS+ 15 (raise 8th)
CHA- 8
This 16th-level dwarven warpriest will have +15 Fortitude and +14 Will before factoring Hardy, Glory of Old, Steel Soul, or a Cloak of Resistance, ioun stones or any other gear, or any of his spells that he'll pop off as a Swift action. He has +4 Sacred Armor, +4 Sacred Weapon, and 2d6 base Sacred dice. Is his strength not 28? Who cares when you're Divine Power +6 in every combat, then adding Righteous Might next round?
Usually, I use a Greatsword, but I just recently found out about the Butchering Axe, and thought I'd try it out.
I mean...theres a lot of dipping for wand use and into a weird osirian prc in this thread.
You could always just be an abyssal bloodrager and get impact on your butchering axe....then you qualify for furious finish as well while not needing to scamper all around.
At level 4 the abyssal bloodrager enlarges when they rage, they also increase their strength bonus from rage. It cuts most of the rube goldberg machine out.
Potion Glutton got FAQ'd to be a move action rather than a swift action.
The usual way to make Furious Finish work is to use a Flawed Scarlet and Green Cabochon and the Internal Fortitude rage power. When ending a rage, you become sickened instead of fatigued, which doesn't prevent you from raging, and when you enter a new rage, your then immunity takes care of the condition.
However, Furious Finish only works with Vital Strike, not the Improved or Greater feats.
And to support what Ryan Freire said, when increasing damage dice for Vital Strike, the Impact enchantment is actually very good, way better than wasting a level and a standard action. A Vital Strike build doesn't need a regular enhancement bonus that much, as accuracy and DR are less of an issue.
if you got Cornugon Smash. you should try and nip hurtful as well. a free swift attack once you demoralize some1 is always great.
This is how I ended:
HP: 163
Strength: 24 +7
Dexterity: 17 +3
Constitution: 18 +4
Intelligence: 10 +0
Wisdom: 15 +2
Charisma: 13 +1
Butchering Axe:
26/21/16/11 (26,16,11,6 with Power Attack)
3d6(12d6 with Greater Vital Strike)+13(+28 power attack)(+6 on Vital Strikes)20/x3
Scale Mail:
AC: 23 (+5 Armor, +3 Max Dex, +1 Natural Armor, +4 Dodge Bonus)(22 while Great Cleaving)
Flat Footed: 20
Touch: 13
Bravery: +4
Saves:
Fort: 14
Ref: 11
Will: 11
Exotic Weapon Proficiency- Level 1
Power Attack- Level 1
Furious Focus- Level 2
Combat Expertise- Level 3
Cleave- Level 4
Combat Reflexes- Level 5
Vital Strike- Level 6
Cornugon Smash- Level 7
Lunge- Level 8
Advanced Weapon Training: Warrior's Spirit- Level 9
Advanced Weapon Training Feat: Fighter's Reflexes- Level 10
Improved Vital Strike- Level 11
Devastating Strike- Level 12
Advanced Weapon Training: Armed Bravery- Level 13
Great Cleave- Level 14
Weapon Trick: Cleaving Smash- Level 15
Greater Vital Strike- Level 16
Just out of curiosity, how would you build the last 4 levels?
All d10 one-handed weapons are exotic.