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The Mancatcher would fill the "weapon with grapple property" niche that is currently missing. Also it's just funny.
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I'd like to see some of the Elven weapons return in some form: the Elven thornblade, the Elven leafblade, and the Elven branch spear. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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I mean... guns. I want guns back.
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I'd kind of like to see something sort of like those weird German dueling shields that show up in so many old fencing texts. They're just bizarre, and would fit a fantasy niche of shields with offensive capabilities. As far as I know they were really only used for judicial duels aka Trial by Combat (notice the odd clothing most of these people are wearing, it's at least partly ceremonial). But they're usable one-handed with a weapon (either a club or sword was used depending on the region), in which case it is basically used like a large shield. They're also usable in both hands as an offensive weapon in their own right. Rules for this could be a bit weird though. Maybe something like: When used with a weapon, it functions as a standard heavy shield. When used in two-hands it has the weapon stats of <insert stat block here>.
As for stats, I'd say when used as a weapon it's probably a 2-handed piercing weapon, maybe with Versitile S, likely with Grapple and/or Trip (they are often shown with hocked parts that can used to snag someone. Probably have the Parry trait due to being a literal shield.
For one-handed offensive shields. There is this thing. The text calls it a Hungarian Shield, but this image is about all I've seen on it. There is a known style of shield known as the Hungarian Shield but they're a bit different in shape and don't have the blade.
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All the weapons from the Technology Guide, ideally with some rules for using as normal weapons in a sci fi campaign or Starfinder port.
I'd love to see spears intended for use with a shield. Reach+shield was super common for a reason.
I also want way more advanced weapons!
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Double sword.
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All the gnome weapons. Battle Ladders, Ripsaw Glaives, Piston Mauls, the whole lot.
Sword Canes. And their cousin Sword Cane Pistols.
I'd like the claw weapon that Vega uses in the Street Fighter series.
While it isn't a weird weapon, I'd really like the Guan Dao to get stated up.
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I just want the Caber to be statted up.
It was in 3.0 in Sword and Fist, and carrying around a 20' log to chuck at people is just amazing.
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A better version of the Hunga-Munga or Throwing Iron. The one from PF1, which did less damage than the sharpened frisbee that is the Chakram, despite weighing one fifth as much (and, IRL, said to be able to thrown with such force as to sever a man's leg from his body at 30 yards), made me sad, because it's such a cool-looking weapon, and the game already has a somewhat dire relationship with thrown weapons like spears, throwing axes, shuriken, etc. IMO.
I'm also a big fan of the 3.0 Tortoise Blade (knife sticking out of a buckler), which PF1 had as the Shoanti Klar. In my head, there needs to be rules allowing someone to wield *two* Klar (but preventing them from getting magical shield bonuses from both, because that would be over the top). I love the visual of a Shoanti warrior leaping, all X-23/Wolverine-style, with two punch-dagger/bucklers, even if the game's current mechanics don't support using two shields or two bucklers (and at least one of the devs finds that image 'silly').
The Orc Shotput was another favorite, from back in the day.
Dwarven Throwing Axes that can be used as a hand axe or throwing axe, and not require two different weapons with minutely different stats, would be cool.
A Double-Barreled Sling! No, wait, that's just a bra. Moving on...
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The Bohemian Earspoon. Just for the name.I gotta ask what this is. Google isn't helping much. Its like.. a dagger?
Polearm with a hook (among other things). An infantryman would attempt to unseat a rider by swinging it to side of the head or the back of the neck and pulling. An real earspoon was a tiny spoon for removing earwax, the gag being the Bohemian infantry were going for the ear with much larger implements.
The Bohemian Earspoon is a polearm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_earspoon
Not sure how you failed to find it with Google. That's the top result.
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I want animal-themed weapons.
This is my giraffe sword. It gives me 20-ft. reach and is perfectly silent.
This is my gorilla mace. It'll grab with a bite or can roar, but if I just hit you with it really hard it'll send you flying.
This is my cat cutlass. It lets me jump and fall great distances safely, but if there's a foe next to a ledge I'm compelled to try to shove him off.
This is my aardvark bow. If I shoot something with it, I can pull it closer.
Nunchaku. Dying to see what traits it would get.
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Where is our Glaive-Guisarme?!?
;)
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I want me a 15 foot pike that forces the clumsy trait on you.
I also want all those dumb gun/hammer(or axe or whatever) combination weapons.
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since thinking about the ancestry request thread and someone mentioning wargs, i want like a helmet/neck spear thingy. or more generally weapons for non-humanoid intelligent beings.
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Wanted:
Guns. More guns. Things that explode. Every weird form of polearm that ever or never was.
Wanted:
Guns. More guns. Things that explode. Every weird form of polearm that ever or never was.
Do you want a Song of Swords level of weapon completion and granularity or are you actually sane?
Do you want a Song of Swords level of weapon completion and granularity or are you actually sane?Wanted:
Guns. More guns. Things that explode. Every weird form of polearm that ever or never was.
Periodically same. And easily satisfied. SOME weird polearms would suffice. And guns. And more things that explode.
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Throwing shields
Atlatls
Assorted guns
Wrist slingshot
Wrist crossbows
Repeater Crossbows (the ancient Chinese had these and they were remarkably simple)
Fire Lances (these where spears with a gunpowder charge on the end, almost like having a pike with a small single shot shotgun attached)
Stats for some siege engines would be nice too - such as ballista, catapults, scorpions, trebuchets, etc. (For when you want to actually be prepared for fighting that dragon for once)
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Dwarven Throwing Axes that can be used as a hand axe or throwing axe, and not require two different weapons with minutely different stats, would be cool.
It's already there, just not dwarven. The Hatchet now combines the throwing axe and hand-axe into a single weapon (as it always should have been).
While I do like having a lot of weapons, I'm also hoping that things don't bloat up too much. PF1 started to get a few too many weapons which were basically the same thing with arbitrarily different stats. The springblade and switchblade knife are two different versions of the exact same thing. Do we really need a gladius? It's just a specific type of short-sword. Bec-de-corbin and Lucerne hammer were basically the same thing. They're both variations on the pollaxe with a hammer and spike on either side of the head instead of an axe-blade on one and spike or hammer on the other as was common. They just came from different regions and the Lucerne hammer had longer prongs on it's hammer head (the prongs are to help give purchase into armor, not pierce as spikes, same with a mace's flanges). In fact, most polearms are pretty much just variations on a theme: blade, hook, spike and sometimes hammer. There are only so many ways you can make those functionally different. Should a volgue and a halbard have different stats? No, the dividing line between the two is pretty thin, A bardiche is just a specific type of greataxe, bills and glaives aren't really different enough to justify different stats etc. We don't need to go the route of Fantasy Imperium, which had 63 pages of illustrations of it's bloated weapons list and another 10 of armor (I rechecked). Most were slight style differences of the same weapons and various regional names were slapped onto them arbitrarily.
Likewise I'd like to avoid the habit of some later PF1 weapons which were just plain better weapons. The falcata was a longsword and battleaxe in one (I do rather like falcatas, and forward curved swords in general, but it's not a super-weapon). The Orc Butchering Axe is an even greater greataxe, the horn-bow just an even stronger bow. It was like an arms race (well I guess in a way it literally was). Weapons had to top what came before.
There's room for new weapons. But let them be actually new weapons, not just different stat blocks for slight variations.
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Dwarven Throwing Axes that can be used as a hand axe or throwing axe, and not require two different weapons with minutely different stats, would be cool.It's already there, just not dwarven. The Hatchet now combines the throwing axe and hand-axe into a single weapon (as it always should have been).
While I do like having a lot of weapons, I'm also hoping that things don't bloat up too much. PF1 started to get a few too many weapons which were basically the same thing with arbitrarily different stats. The springblade and switchblade knife are two different versions of the exact same thing. Do we really need a gladius? It's just a specific type of short-sword. Bec-de-corbin and Lucerne hammer were basically the same thing. They're both variations on the pollaxe with a hammer and spike on either side of the head instead of an axe-blade on one and spike or hammer on the other as was common. They just came from different regions and the Lucerne hammer had longer prongs on it's hammer head (the prongs are to help give purchase into armor, not pierce as spikes, same with a mace's flanges). In fact, most polearms are pretty much just variations on a theme: blade, hook, spike and sometimes hammer. There are only so many ways you can make those functionally different. Should a volgue and a halbard have different stats? No, the dividing line between the two is pretty thin, A bardiche is just a specific type of greataxe, bills and glaives aren't really different enough to justify different stats etc. We don't need to go the route of Fantasy Imperium, which had 63 pages of illustrations of it's bloated weapons list and another 10 of armor (I rechecked). Most were slight style differences of the same weapons and various regional names were slapped onto them arbitrarily.
Likewise I'd like to avoid the habit of some later PF1 weapons which were just plain better weapons. The falcata was a longsword and battleaxe in one (I do...
I agree with pretty much all of this. New weapons should be cool, not just finicky, overly specific tweaks.
I think we're sort of forced to get this in a way though. Since damage die is capped at 1d12, and there are no 2d4 etc weapons, it will behoove the designers to make sure they're designing weapons that have a purposeful difference. And advanced weapons can't just be "bigger = better" like the awful hornbow.
Lots will hinge on the traits, and if you give one weapon trip and another weapon parry, that's a pretty big deal.
I recognize that this is a mileage-may-vary thing, and one person's "The Gnomish Tickle-duster is far too silly to be something that's mechanically a good weapon" is another person's "The crossbow is something that's far too silly to be mechanically a good weapon," but, where possible, I think it's ideal if bizarre weapons are not distinctly the best choice for a very common thing that somebody might want to do. I have no problem, and actively like it, when a bizarre weapon has niche advantages; hit me with your stormshaft javelins, etc. I'm much less on board with things like the Orc Hornbow where you have this unusual racial weapon that happens to be just bonkers levels of superior to the "normal" weapon that fills that role for the extremely broad and common character concept of "Archer." This isn't a realism quibble, but more of a thing where players end up choosing between things that are thematic and make sense and things with a very specific flavor that are substantially better in game-changing ways.
Unfortunately, I think that PF2e has already dropped the ball on this a little with the Gnome Flickmace. That one's not *that* outlandish, though.
Oh, the Hidden Blade somehow.
I don't mind some hextech or alchemical pseudo science weapons, but I would prefer to maintain the ratio of authentic weapons - silly weapons at about 3:1. Gnome Flickmace novelty factor lasted for exactly a week.
And yeah, I dislike the racial weapons.I guess the "weirdest" weapon I would want is wuxia-style meteor hammer.
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Actually, romanticized fire weapons like fire lance would also be interesting. I would play a Precision Ranger built around explosives and fire weapons. Just don't make them Alchemist exclusive.
Romanticized? Fire Lances where real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance
I think I might prefer a weapon-building system to seeing dozens and dozens of weapons. Most of them seem relatively balanced within their groups and it seems like the devs are already using something to determine how many traits and what kind of traits go on different weapons behind the scenes.
At least so far it seems elemental damage balances against physical damage. Before there was an issue where everything that did elemental damage tended to also target touch AC. Now that is gone, and most of the time the elements tend to balance frequency of weakness with frequency of resistance. Like, lots are weak to fire and similar amounts are resistant or immune, while few things are weak to acid but little resists it either. So a weapon that does ice damage instead of bludgeoning probably isn't broken overall IMO.
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Flachette: Darts that where dropped by air-planes, it would make perfect sense to have some of these in a world where there are flying creatures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette
Price 3 sp
Hands 1; Bulk L
Must be dropped from at at least 50'. Area 10-foot burst directly below you.
Saving Throw basic Reflex
1d4 damage, and 1 persistent damage.
I know, but a practical, adventuring-ready version of the fire weapons that can stand next to magic runes and other fantasy stuff would benefit from romanticization.
Aaaaah I get you
Where is our Glaive-Guisarme?!?
;)
glaive-glaive-glaive-guisarme-glaive?
glaive-glaive-glaive-guisarme-glaive?
Where is our Glaive-Guisarme?!?
;)
They could go the 5e route and have multiple seperate polearm entries with the exact same stats
They could go the 5e route and have multiple seperate polearm entries with the exact same stats
That seems like a literal waste of space, when we could just say "sure, you can reflavor it as a corseque or a spetum or a chauve-souris, just use the stats for a ranseur."