its not like philosophy matters... :)And how does that make you feel about your mother?
Yo mama's so Freudian, when she sits around the house, it's a Rorschach.
Yo mama's so Freudian, once a month she has a latency period.
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its not like philosophy matters... :)
The only philosopher still worth half a crap is Nihilist Arby's.
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What does not kill you, makes you flounder.
What doesn't kill me, makes me danglier.
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its not like philosophy matters... :)The only philosopher still worth half a crap is Nihilist Arby's.
The strange lights that appear over their location have yet to be explained, yet already provide ample evidence in the minds of onlookers, soothsayers, doomsayers, conspiracy theorists, UFOlogists, and photophobes across the county.
Arbys. We have the meats, but that does not necessarily imply we are completely certain of their origins. This has been traffic.
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What does not kill you, makes you flounder.
WHAT DOESNT KILL ME MAKES MR LOUDER!!!
Was that our cue? No? Oh. Sorry, my bad.
What doesn't kill me, makes me danglier.
♬Highway to the Danglier Zone...♬
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Right. No Nietzsche. Let's do Voltaire.
"To find out who rules, just find out who you're not allowed to criticize."
Nobody for Voltaire? Really?
Guys, throw me a bone here. If this keeps up, we are going to have to go de Beauvoir.
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"To find out who rules, just find out who you're not allowed to criticize."
Wonderful quote, isn't it? Here's the REALLY CRUMMY problem with it.
Thank you. Good stuff to know. Even so, the quote is true.
So... de Beauvoir...?
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire (pretty sure anyways.)
I drank what?!
The heck is this thread .-. Is this new form of art?
One vote for Warhol.
*sighs*
Thank you. Good stuff to know. Even so, the quote is true.
Given that the quote was in the context of critising a whole bunch of people, it seems a bit disingenuous.
Also as a further note no one is allowed to criticize DOOM!
Not to mention the solids that feature so prominently in our hobby...
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Well said.
Here's a quote from me, unattributed to anyone famous:
Marginalization of terrible ideas is not oppression. It's just good sense.
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When I first heard it (well before learning its true source), my first thought was "the military," so in that context it made a great deal of sense - and frankly, still does.
@thejeff: You're only interpreting it now based on its true unfortunate source, and kind of demonstrating my point how having a "celebrity endorsement" of an idea can bias one's judgment of it + or -. The question is 'can ideas exist independently of people?,' and I think this make a strong case that they can.
@quibblemuch: That's beside the point, though. Nobody here and now is arguing otherwise.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire (pretty sure anyways.)
Works better if ronald mcdonald said it.
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Works better if ronald mcdonald said it.Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire (pretty sure anyways.)
This is scientifically true of every quote. SCIENCE!
Having lived in several such societies, I can confirm this to be true.
EDIT - But I'm not here to get into a thing. Let's not get into a thing. Let's remember the purpose of the thread... to make fun of Friedrich Nietszche for reasons no one really understands.
Oy! Nem zich a vaneh!
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EDIT - But I'm not here to get into a thing. Let's not get into a thing. Let's remember the purpose of the thread... to make fun of Friedrich Nietszche for reasons no one really understands.
He knows what he did.
When I first heard it (well before learning its true source), my first thought was "the military," so in that context it made a great deal of sense - and frankly, still does.
@thejeff: You're only interpreting it now based on its true unfortunate source, and kind of demonstrating my point how having a "celebrity endorsement" of an idea can bias one's judgment of it + or -. The question is 'can ideas exist independently of people?,' and I think this make a strong case that they can.
Perhaps, though I've only heard it (or similar sentiments) in such contexts.
Ideas can certainly exist independent of people. They can also exist independently of truth. It's a crappy idea. It exists to demonstrate some hidden power that prevents you from criticizing some group, generally while criticizing that group.In a relatively open society, you can generally find multiple, often opposed, groups that you'll be bashed for attacking. In a society where you really can't safely criticize the ruling group, it's rarely secret.
I will admit that I study the words of humanity's monsters and see what they had to say on philosophy.
The scary thing is, many of the greatest insights into the most terrible aspects of modern human society are things I have learned from the philosophies of humanity's worst examples. Some of them aptly demonstrated the truth of their philosophy, and learned weaknesses of the tactics they used they had not considered. Weaknesses since adapted to.
Just because they are a terrible person and use their words for bad reasons does not mean those words do not hold wisdom. For example, while that neo-nazi quote is false in the circumstances in which it was used, consider the number of places around the world where it is not only true, but a lesson that can mean the difference between life and death.
But that still doesn't mean the wisdom of the statement isn't b&$%%^&!t reasoning for being a terrible person. If half of these people could learn from their own wisdom, the world would be a massively better place.
Terrinam , consider the Survivors bias in your statement. Not the actual survived part, but the made history in a big enough splash that there's books on the stuff they said sense.
It takes a LITTLE bit of the horror out of how bad humans are. A bit.
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The scary thing is, many of the greatest insights into the most terrible aspects of modern human society are things I have learned from the philosophies of humanity's worst examples. Some of them aptly demonstrated the truth of their philosophy, and learned weaknesses of the tactics they used they had not considered. Weaknesses since adapted to.
Those of you who intend to play a Cleric/Druid/Monk/Shaman/Warpriest/Spiritualist PC in "Way of the Wicked" or something like that, take note!
@BigNorseWolf: I don't think Terrinam was trying to reduce the horror of anything - the effect of what he's saying is the opposite, if anything.
Terrinam , consider the Survivors bias in your statement. Not the actual survived part, but the made history in a big enough splash that there's books on the stuff they said sense.
It takes a LITTLE bit of the horror out of how bad humans are. A bit.
I wasn't trying to reduce horror.
I can't fully counter the impact of survivor's bias without getting into a topic that would get this thread locked. Politics would come up. We're at an impasse at discussing this.
Those of you who intend to play a Cleric/Druid/Monk/Shaman/Warpriest/Spiritualist PC in "Way of the Wicked" or something like that, take note!
The scary thing is, many of the greatest insights into the most terrible aspects of modern human society are things I have learned from the philosophies of humanity's worst examples. Some of them aptly demonstrated the truth of their philosophy, and learned weaknesses of the tactics they used they had not considered. Weaknesses since adapted to.
Yes, take note! And take note studying those gives you ideas of how to write a horrid but convincing philosophy for your own evil character!
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Camus Can DO......
But Sartre is smartre.
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I never said most of the things I said. {steals pic-a-nic basket, exits stage left}
Thejeff, you don't think like a monster, so you don't realize the veiled threat of the guy's statement. Think on that and what it reveals about where the lesson is really needed.
I had a longer post here, but it was getting too heavily into derail territory. Wrong place for it. And wrong time for it.
Maybe I'm not understanding you.
The oppressed know they're oppressed. They don't need any special insight to be taught that. The quote is either b!@~~*+* or obvious. Kids don't need to learn they can't criticize their parents to know their parents are in charge.The whole point of the quote is that you have to look beneath the surface story to see the truth of who's really in charge. I suppose that could apply to someone from outside seeing that kid is afraid to say anything against his parents or some such?
You're not understanding me. But there is good reason. There's limits on what I can say before it becomes too dark a subject to speak on. I have been trying to speak around it, but it is time to address it directly and hope I don't touch it too much.
First, examine the guy's words in line with his philosophy. The point of him using them isn't to say that you have to look beneath the surface to see who's in charge. It's about not knowing who around you is an enemy until they reveal themselves. Consider who neo-nazis believe actually rule the world and then the importance of the word "rulers" in his statement; he's identifying enemies, not societal leaders.
Secondly, do you think he and his buddies would allow you to criticize him if he had political power? He knows he wouldn't. In that manner, it's also a veiled threat, in which he implies he will silence his enemies if he ever gains power.
While you can divorce philosophical sayings from the people to a degree, you cannot divorce them from the people's understandings of what words mean. For example, if a person says "a well-armed militia is the most important military resource" but understands "militia" to mean "farmers with pitchforks," his statement is going to be seriously misinterpreted by someone who understands "militia" to mean "well-trained, organized soldiers."
That is what I hinted at when, after I edited my last post, I spoke on a veiled threat.
As for my bringing up the LGBT group and others: I admit I named them because I would rather they have a voice than him.
I will not argue about this, because politics. I will simply restate that free speech is vital, including criticism of any sacred cows, to every open society.
And it always makes me happy when thejeff doesn't agree with me. It makes me far more certain I am right.
PHILOSOPHIZE TO THE DEATH! GO!
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That would be Descartes. He was invited to Sweden as an honoured guest of our queen. Winter meant cold, pneumonia, and he died.