quibblemuch |
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Vidmaster7 wrote:PHILOSOPHIZE TO THE DEATH! GO!Does Pythagoras taking his own edict against having any contact whatsoever with beans so seriously that he allowed a field of bean plants to stop him from escaping the assassins chasing him, thereby enabling them catch up and kill him, count?
Fun fact: In addition to prohibiting beans, Pythagoras developed the mathematics of harmonics. Therefore, it is entirely likely that "Beans, beans the musical fruit..." was originally a Pythagorean hymn.
SwedenBorg |
quibblemuch wrote:Yes. Pretty much the only one.Sissyl wrote:That would be Descartes. He was invited to Sweden as an honoured guest of our queen. Winter meant cold, pneumonia, and he died.And that was Sweden's greatest contribution to the history of philosophy.
Not so.
You will be assimilated.Resistance futile.
Farael the Fallen |
Here are some critiques of Nietzsche’s philosophy from Nathan Ketsdever:
His depressing life biased his writings, including his relationship to women (meaning his writing is biased toward a skeptical take on life and relationships--that rather significantly skews his viewpoint and writings)
Nietzche's concept of the Ubermench is tantamount to Nazism and the worst brutalities in history.
The exclusion of ethics and virtue results in the worst brutalities in history. For instance, he critiques liberalism and democracy--and both of those have generally been on the right side of history versus the alternatives of dictatorship (see the research on Democide and Death by Government)
Liberalism and democracy are good, Nietzsche destroys them. Nietzsche would turn the clock back on the reforms of the 1960's.
Truth and reason are good, Nietzsche destroys them. Reason helps provide a way to evaluate competing claims and to make decisions in a way that helps the long term health of an individual or community.
No one really wants a Nietzschean as a friend or family member (Dreyfus). This is a gut check. It also proves that Nietzschean philosophy doesn't really work in the context of communities and relationships. I want nurturing and love, not indifference. Also it seems to undermine reciprocity, fairness, and justice. All things we hold deal.
Survival of the fittest is bad and/or evil (especially for kids and the disadvantaged) Compassion and relief of suffering is good. As a general rule we shouldn't act to increase the suffering of others. We also probably shouldn't stand idly by while others suffer--if we can intervene and stop it.
Virtue is key to society and the community. Virtue like respect, dignity, and honesty help create healthier individuals and societies.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Abuse of power risks undermining everything we hold dear.
The above criticisms are just some of the reasons that Nietzsche's philosophy is no longer hosted on Paizo.com or anywhere else! Not sure about that however...
I'm Hiding In Your Closet |
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Here are some critiques of Nietzsche’s philosophy from Nathan Ketsdever....
Looks to me like a parade of straw men...or like this critic's been taking seriously the heavily perverted and expurgated versions pushed by Nietzsche's horrible proto-fascist big sister (who was no doubt the reason for his issues with women).
Orthos |
BigNorseWolf wrote:dude.. too heavyActually it's too light.
No, seriously, not joking anymore with the silly thread. Posts like that are waaaaaay too politics-laden and more of them will just lead to the mods either deleting posts or locking the thread for being too political.
Farael the Fallen |
Farael the Fallen wrote:No, seriously, not joking anymore with the silly thread. Posts like that are waaaaaay too politics-laden and more of them will just lead to the mods either deleting posts or locking the thread for being too political.BigNorseWolf wrote:dude.. too heavyActually it's too light.
If you feel this thread has become too political, then you should move on to the Vegetarian thread. Just don't advocate the Vegetarianism...
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Orthos wrote:If you feel this thread has become too political, then you should move on to the Vegetarian thread. Just don't advocate the Vegetarianism...Farael the Fallen wrote:No, seriously, not joking anymore with the silly thread. Posts like that are waaaaaay too politics-laden and more of them will just lead to the mods either deleting posts or locking the thread for being too political.BigNorseWolf wrote:dude.. too heavyActually it's too light.
Or everyone, including you Farael, could respect the Rules As Intended of the Politics Ban and not seek ways to circumvent and/or sidle-right-up-to-the-line-but-not-quite-over.
Skiron |
Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:WHAT DOESNT KILL ME MAKES MR LOUDER!!!Darth Grumpicus wrote:(Edit: Now I'm tempted to start a Nietzche Wachee mermaid account on Twitter.)What does not kill you, makes you flounder.
*repeatedly stabs BRIAN BLESSED in surgically-precise, Terminator 2 "he'll live" fashion*
Farael the Fallen |
Farael the Fallen wrote:Or everyone, including you Farael, could respect the Rules As Intended of the Politics Ban and not seek ways to circumvent and/or sidle-right-up-to-the-line-but-not-quite-over.Orthos wrote:If you feel this thread has become too political, then you should move on to the Vegetarian thread. Just don't advocate the Vegetarianism...Farael the Fallen wrote:No, seriously, not joking anymore with the silly thread. Posts like that are waaaaaay too politics-laden and more of them will just lead to the mods either deleting posts or locking the thread for being too political.BigNorseWolf wrote:dude.. too heavyActually it's too light.
“A politician divides mankind into two classes: tools and enemies.” ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
Farael the Fallen |
BRIAN BLESSED wrote:*repeatedly stabs BRIAN BLESSED in surgically-precise, Terminator 2 "he'll live" fashion*Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:WHAT DOESNT KILL ME MAKES MR LOUDER!!!Darth Grumpicus wrote:(Edit: Now I'm tempted to start a Nietzche Wachee mermaid account on Twitter.)What does not kill you, makes you flounder.
"I believe...whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you stranger." ~The Joker
BigNorseWolf |
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Its ok I have a psychology BS So its about as useful except When I say HMM it has a deeper meaning.
"i need to sound deep and speculative while i try to find a polite way to phrase "that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard and i will need alcohol poisoning to help recover braincells" ?
Vidmaster7 |
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Vidmaster7 wrote:Its ok I have a psychology BS So its about as useful except When I say HMM it has a deeper meaning."i need to sound deep and speculative while i try to find a polite way to phrase "that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard and i will need alcohol poisoning to help recover braincells" ?
HEY don't be giving out important secrets to everyone!
Farael the Fallen |
Ah man, and here I was wanting to put my Philosophy degree to good use with Master-Slave Morality argu... I mean, debates. Ah well, maybe I will find a use for my philosophy degree apart from emergency firewood.
I was just reading the beginning of Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil" and came upon his point about "master-morality" and "slave-morality". As this opens up the possibility to assume either the point of view of "slave morals" (which I guess according to Nietzsche would be all morals up to this point?) or - as Nietzsche does - the point of view of "master morals", has someone worked on an argument why it is inherently false to assume the point of view of "master morals" without making a moral claim (e.g. not some sort of utilitarian argument, or in essence saying that it's immoral to adhere to "master morals")? Or does Nietzsche just open up some sort of moral dilemma where there is no binding morality any longer and no one has solved this yet?
Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Ah man, and here I was wanting to put my Philosophy degree to good use with Master-Slave Morality argu... I mean, debates. Ah well, maybe I will find a use for my philosophy degree apart from emergency firewood.
PHILOSOPHY MAJOR: Life is change, man. Can you, like, spare some change?
Farael the Fallen |
I could not find a concrete definition of morality. Did you mean molarity?
No, I think what Nietzsche was trying to say is that the very idea that there could be any morality in a master-slave relationship is objectively false. The very essence of a master-slave relationship is immoral, since slavery is by it's very definition immoral.
Farael the Fallen |
That was a joke because molarity is something I have a concrete definition for: amount of solute per volume solvent. It's completely unrelated to philosophy.
I disagree. Since philosophy touches all subjects, including science, then molarity is also related to it. You could even say that molarity and morality are two sides of the same coin.
Terquem |
How can two different things be the same side of a coin, I mean wouldn't they have to be the different sides of the same coin
or the same side of two different coins
or the different side of the same coin at different times
or the same coin at the different place where the side is the different side of the same time it was in a different place?
Farael the Fallen |
quibblemuch wrote:There is no coin.{adjusts monocle} Your NietzchCoin ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your blockchain.
"Only sick music makes money today." ~Friedrich Nietzsche (2010). “The Birth of Tragedy and The Case of Wagner”, p.206, Vintage