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Partially because wizards haven't changed much since 3.5 and partially because of PFS tracking requirements I haven't tried a wizard before.
I'm now trying an arcanist.
Does anyone have a good trick For keeping all of the spells handy and ITS tracked? I'm about to say weight limit be damned and just use an actual composition book for the spellbook.
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I just have an MS Word document that lists my spells in my book, and reprint it when there are changes (usually once per level, though I sometimes just write the new stuff on the paper copy so I don't have to reprint right away).
When I buy new ones, I just mark it on the ITS as "5 level 1 spells added to spellbook" or something like that, and put the cost next to it. Unlike expendables that need to be tracked, you don't have to list every spell on the ITS and can combine them into a single purchase that way.
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I've tried a bunch of different methods for storing spells in spellbooks. My favorite is to scribble spells down on a sheet of paper until I have a full spellbook's worth of spells, at which point I'll print something nicely formatted out, laminate it, and stuff it in the binder.
For spells memorized, my favorite method so far is to have a separate laminated sheet with spell slots, and dry erase spells memorized onto the sheet. If it's part of a standard loadout, use permanent marker instead. (You can always remove it later with the dry erase trick.)
ITS: when I was using paper ITSes, I hated writing down spells. Hate hate hate hate hate. I've since moved onto keeping my ITS sheets in Google Docs and there, I write down the name of every spell. I used to do what a lot of posters here did, which was "learned 43 different 1st level spells! -645 gp." Writing everything down individually makes it actually useful as an auditing mechanism. It's way easier digitally than on paper though. :(
(Note: there's a special case, where you're copying spells from another PC's spellbook. How I usually work this out is to share photos (or whatever digital artifact you've got) during the game and sort it out after. When recording this stuff on an ITS, I try to remember to write down the PFS ID and character number of the character whose spellbook I'm looking at.)
Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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I use a spreadsheet instead of ITS. It was impossible to track alchemist resources sensibly in ITS for me.
So I just add a row "scribed spell X, Y gold" and continue adding up how much I've spent that session.
As for managing the spellbook itself - I use LaTeX includes so that I put any spell's description I ever use into a file which I can later include in the personalized spellbook file for any particular character that has that spell.
By giving each spell a proper section header I can just compile the whole thing and get a table of contents that lists my spells per level.
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I don't know how you feel about Herolab, BNW
but the current version has a nice feature of being able to track the free spells you get at levels and letting you buy the spells in a straightforward fashion. Since they can't be sold or destroyed, though, I'm not sure if ITS entries are needed?
Nice to see i'm not the only one. I found a teeny graph paper notebook i can just turn into his spellbook , that should work. Thanks
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I maintain separate a separate ITS series for spell scribing costs (and yes I make a separate entry for each spell scribed).
I keep a separate Google sheet with my spellbook (with sources noted and links to the PRD or Archives of Nethys), and also keep a hand written list which I use to prepare spells, and a separate hand written list where I keep track of the pages in my spellbook(s) blessed book.
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Now that spellbooks and other classes has been clarified, I'm planning to buy a Blessed Book for my Sorcerer. I was planning to just use a spreadsheet similar to what I'd been using for his mountain of scrolls and print it out to keep with the character. On the ITS id just list access costs as one lump cost and write "see attached spellbook." Or something along those lines.
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I've got a stupid question for this thread....
Are you ever questioned "Where did you get this spell?" I mean, don't get me wrong, by the rules, you have to have every little detail written down, but I've never even seen someone book checked on a resource, let alone spell book checked.
So I wonder, is all this REALLY necessary?
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I haven't been asked, no. I also haven't really been audited for anything else, so that might just be that the local GMs trust me to have everything in order.With that said, knowing which book the spell came out of is handy when you try looking it up to see what it actually does. I've also caught a couple of my own mistakes like this (thinking I'd bought a spell when I hadn't, for example, or buying the same one twice.)
This is different, and I agree with this completely. Knowing what book the spell came from and all the details on the spell is one thing. It just seems this thread is more about "where did you get it, in game." and it felt odd. Maybe I just misinterpreted it.
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On my ITS, I've listed every scroll I've purchased between scenarios, and then the cost of the ink for transcribing multiple scrolls as one item. I haven't had access to other player spellbooks yet, but I'd probably make some note as to the spellbook page numbers along with the cost of the ink if I transcribed anything.
For keeping track of spells at the table: I have all my character paperwork in a 3-ring binder. I have one master list of spells known with the spellbook pages they're written on beside them, e.g.:
1 Resistance
2 Acid Splash
3 Detect Magic
(and then later when I started adding spells that take multiple pages)
40-41 Summon Monster II
42-43 Invisibility
44-45 Locate Object
(etc.)
Then I have a section in the binder with paginated spell information, in the same order as in the master spell list, labeled with the spellbook page numbers, so I can look things up quickly. When my character gets new spells, I add them to the file and print out the new pages.
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You can pay library fees equal to half the scrinbe cost rather than buying scrolls
This is the NPC cost for Adding spells to a wizard's spellbook (scroll way down), from page 219 of the Core Rulebook. Scrolls were required years ago. faq link
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This is the NPC cost for Adding spells to a wizard's spellbook (scroll way down), from page 219 of the Core Rulebook. Scrolls were required years ago. faq link
It's the one above it I need to see. The Roleplaying Guild Guide is pretty clear about only first-level scrolls being always available, and it only covers NPC spellcasters in the context of hiring them to cast a spell. I'd never have thought to ask about that.
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Can my prepared spellcaster learn spells from another PC? What about gaining spells via scrolls found during an adventure?
Players are welcome to exchange spells with each other during an adventure. They must still follow all the normal rules as put forth in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook and their class descriptions (for instance, an alchemist can scribe from a wizard, but not vice-versa) and they must not bog the session down.Similarly, scrolls found during an adventure can be used to add spells to spellbooks and similar class features (such as a witch's familiar), using the normal rules for doing so. Scrolls used in this way during an adventure do not need to be purchased, but are still consumed as normal.
With either method, the GM should sign off on the spells gained (after witnessing successful skill checks) on affected players' Chronicle sheets. All other methods of gaining new spells (such as by gaining a level or purchasing access to an NPC's spellbook) function as described in the Core Rulebook and relevant class descriptions. Between adventures, PCs can always find an NPC to teach them any spells that are legal for their character to learn.
It’s in the FAQ.
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I just have an MS Word document that lists my spells in my book, and reprint it when there are changes (usually once per level, though I sometimes just write the new stuff on the paper copy so I don't have to reprint right away).
When I buy new ones, I just mark it on the ITS as "5 level 1 spells added to spellbook" or something like that, and put the cost next to it. Unlike expendables that need to be tracked, you don't have to list every spell on the ITS and can combine them into a single purchase that way.
That is what I do in both cases. A word document that looks pretty much like the spellbook spoiler in this character's profile. It lists the spell's source if it is non-CRB, and differentiates which spells are in my blessed book. It also lists the costs for learning/copying/scribing a spell and the DC for learning it, under the spell level (because I got tired of re-calculating it every session).
Also: blessed book.
My ITS simply has 'spells X gold - chronicle y' though in two cases I have a written the character's name and PFS number when I 'copied' their book. In one case that is because the spell is a cure light wounds from a samsaran wizard. Totally useless for me, but how many wizards can say they have an arcane CLW in their book. Shiny! :)
Also: If you are interested in trading spells... Wizards wanted.
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I use a spreadsheet instead of ITS. It was impossible to track alchemist resources sensibly in ITS for me.
So I just add a row "scribed spell X, Y gold" and continue adding up how much I've spent that session.
As for managing the spellbook itself - I use LaTeX includes so that I put any spell's description I ever use into a file which I can later include in the personalized spellbook file for any particular character that has that spell.
By giving each spell a proper section header I can just compile the whole thing and get a table of contents that lists my spells per level.
I use LaTeX for may things but have not thought of that for this. Do you have an example?
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Failure means you need to wait a week.
If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. He cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until one week has passed. If the spell was from a scroll, a failed Spellcraft check does not cause the spell to vanish.
In PFS, I would say they have to wait for the next time they get downtime.
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the DC for adding a spell to a Spellbook is...Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell's level).
so, if the Wizard has a 15 INT and one rank in spell craft, he has a 2+1+3 or a +6 in Spellcraft.
If the judge allowed him to Take 10, he could only copy 1st level spells, and fail the check needed to copy 2nd level spells (DC17).
A 16 or 17 INT only pushes this up to 2nd level spells... so if a Player does not know this rule (and many never even check it, it doesn't come up in their games and they haven't read (or understood) that part of the CRB), they may not know the importance of Spellcraft to a wizard (or other book using class).
Kind of like Druids with no ranks in Handle Animal
I do list the DC to learn the spell in my spellbook. Mostly because I might be sharing with a wizard 4 levels below me. Early on I was adventuring with a wizard much higher than me and I failed to learn a couple.
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can you please site this rule that you mention above? where do we get an exception for scribing spells to our books?
Drat. Looks like i was thinking of handle animal to teach tricks.
from your comments in the thread linked above, it looks like it
would be up to the judge to decide if we can Take 10 on any skill check.
I would assume that this use of the Take 10 rule (as all uses do) would require the OK of the judge - so you would have to ask if they allow it, right?
Theoretically anything is up to the judge, but that does not mean you ask the judge if it's okay to do anything. You don't ask about each square of movement, you don't ask about attack rolls.
Not being able to take 10 on a check to copy spells is so far outside of my reading of the rules and the opinions of any DM that I've ever run into that I wouldn't even ask about it.
Am I in immediate danger? No
Am I distracted? Maybe if i'm copying spells on a trip to mawangi that the flavor text describes as torturous.
Am I rushed? No. I have the infinite vastness of downtime.
Is copying spells a dramatic moment that needs tension? No.
Is it the point of adventuring or a bit of lifestyle maintenance that you want to skip over? The latter.
If a DM disagrees for some reason (probably a local ruling meme that got picked up) they can tell me, and I'll roll for the scrolls and spellbook I find and not donate 400 gp for library fees until I'm with a different DM.
"Looks like its more firmly in the dms court (ie, table variation) than ever. "
"The entire reason that a non ruling was made is because circumstances vary too much for anyone but the person sitting behind the screen to make the call."
Have you ever seen a DM actually say this or are you just trying to pick a fight over take 10?
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As for masterwork tools, as a player I don't use masterwork tools that aren't either printed or absurdly obvious (masterwork musical violin for perform strings). Also, cheat sheath. SNAG.
As a DM for PFS i am perfectly willing to accept pay 50 gp for your +2 to a skill, because some players only have the core rules and thats what the core can legitimately be read as saying.