Why? Why such a reaction to the use of spells in public?because i can tell when the guy with a knife is using it to stab my kidney or cut his cheese sandwhich. I have no idea if the caster is cleaning their laundry or about to unleash a mushroom cloud that will level four city blocks. even after the spell is cast i don't know if he has clean underwear or just made the town guard his mind slave.
Or maybe it was just a bluff with the intent to get brutally stabbed to collect the insurance money and sue the pants off you...
Wait...are you now going to suggest that isn't part of a fantasy RPG?
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Your argument isn't helped by the fact that Wayne Reynolds is the default artist for the iconics, who is famous for overdesigning his characters until they look like they're wearing a Velcro suit and were rolled through a random equipment drawer. Seriously, if you tried to faithfully cosplay most of these characters, you'd collapse. What is Mavaro carrying with him, for example? And Valeros is carrying so many straps and buckles at least half his weight must be leather alone. And I count at least 11 daggers on Merisiel's body. And how many layers of fur is Aowyn wearing, anyway?
Sorry, came into this thread a bit late..
But it seems there is a misconception here about how much items weigh in real life.(Given that we are talking about a game based on imagination, set in an imaginary world with hexapodal flying lizards that breathes fire and people that can shoot ice out of their fingertips)
IRL A 15th century knight wearing a full harness of steel plate armour weighs about 90lbs. This includes maille voiders, skirt, buckles, straps, gambeson/arming jacket, arming sword, longsword/pollaxe, girdle, livery chain, surcoat, belt, pouch, daggers and scabbard.
I can attest firsthand that it’s possible to wear this amount and weight of gear and still fight. I can also run, ride and do push ups in my replica 15th century plate armour.
Bear in mind that a modern soldier often carries more that 100lbs of equipment and still considered combat – effective.
A 15th century full harness contains more buckles and leather straps than what we see Valeros wearing. In comparison, Valeros’s equipment would weigh considerably less than a real – life 15th century knight completely encased in steel. Even if we take into account his over-sized fantasy longsword.
Merisiel’s 11 daggers are a mere fraction of that weight.
The heaviest item Marvelo possesses is probably his sword.
His scroll case, javelins, jewellery, pouches and belts don’t actually have a high combined weight. It just “looks” like he’s encumbered. (Sorta the idea behind the character)
The equipment shown on the Iconic characters has always been a visual pun on the amount of gear that gets recorded on an RPG character sheet. (Where does your character store 50ft of rope, 10 potions, Iron rations and that 10” pole?)
So I worked it all out. I know where every strap and every pouch I depicted on an iconic goes and what it’s attached to.
This is a game based on imagination afterall. I’d illustrate things a lot differently if this were a game based on historically accurate 15th century Europe.
But it isn’t.
Pathfinder is a lot more fun than that.
6 greatswords?
Ridiculous maybe... But fun to illustrate!
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It bothers me more there's no official hyperspace storage for melee weapons like the efficient quiver for bows or the endless bandolier for guns.A Scabbard of Many Blades both soothes your savaged mind and gives your player the advantage of not having to drop his weapon. Granted, it's only for four weapons, but that's still a very handy way to carry things.
Looks like my dwarf will making a purchase soon!
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Ah you have successfully summoned the mighty Wayne Reynolds ^^ (I knew that he does a mind-boggling amount of research especially when it comes to armor).
At one point I was going to call him out on what research magic he employed when it comes to Seoni (first ever Pathfinder concept character IIRC), but ......Seoni by RenaCornelia Cosplay.
Ok to be true I have been cursing him a bit, ever since I started making a cosplay version of Seltyiel's longssword, but I wouldn't even have started if that character wasn't calling to me quite as much ^^
This is a game based on imagination afterall. I’d illustrate things a lot differently if this were a game based on historically accurate 15th century Europe.
But it isn’t.
Pathfinder is a lot more fun than that.
This kinda made me happy ^^
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I'm really surprised there isn't a belt of magnets or bandolier with magnets to hold your many many steel daggers...and give iron golems a circumstance bonus to grapple you?
Forget about the iron golems, lightning elementals might get totally bananas ^^
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Your argument isn't helped by the fact that Wayne Reynolds is the default artist for the iconics, who is famous for overdesigning his characters until they look like they're wearing a Velcro suit and were rolled through a random equipment drawer. Seriously, if you tried to faithfully cosplay most of these characters, you'd collapse. What is Mavaro carrying with him, for example? And Valeros is carrying so many straps and buckles at least half his weight must be leather alone. And I count at least 11 daggers on Merisiel's body. And how many layers of fur is Aowyn wearing, anyway?
Sorry, came into this thread a bit late..
But it seems there is a misconception here about how much items weigh in real life.
(Given that we are talking about a game based on imagination, set in an imaginary world with hexapodal flying lizards that breathes fire and people that can shoot ice out of their fingertips)IRL A 15th century knight wearing a full harness of steel plate armour weighs about 90lbs. This includes maille voiders, skirt, buckles, straps, gambeson/arming jacket, arming sword, longsword/pollaxe, girdle, livery chain, surcoat, belt, pouch, daggers and scabbard.
I can attest firsthand that it’s possible to wear this amount and weight of gear and still fight. I can also run, ride and do push ups in my replica 15th century plate armour.Bear in mind that a modern soldier often carries more that 100lbs of equipment and still considered combat – effective.
A 15th century full harness contains more buckles and leather straps than what we see Valeros wearing. In comparison, Valeros’s equipment...
Woo, I got a reply! I hope I didn't come off as too negative, I meant it more as a "look at how silly all that equipment would look." I like how you show the "realism" of the characters, but they do seem a little overdressed to me. >_>
Love your work on Magic the Gathering, by the way!
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Speaking of the work of Mr. Reynolds: when I first read the original post, my mind immediately went to this image.
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Speaking of the work of Mr. Reynolds: when I first read the original post, my mind immediately went to this image.
I am pretty sure that is the technical definition of weapon pinup.. all those hefty blades .... and the guy who just happens to be there holding them ^^ :P
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From what I hear from people who shoot bows in their free time, carrying them around strung all the time isn't good either. So the "wear and tear" is something I'll just ignore.
It's the "won't the arrow/slingstone fall out" bit that gets people bothered.
An arrow is a free action to knock, doesn't need to be in the bow.
Actually an arrow is a non-action to knock (as part of the action of firing the bow). Its a free action to draw.
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Or maybe it was just a bluff with the intent to get brutally stabbed to collect the insurance money and sue the pants off you...Wait...are you now going to suggest that isn't part of a fantasy RPG?
;)
Because we all know how much adventurers hold themselves to the will of civil authorities, don't mind losing cash, and AREN"T just going to swing harder next time?
"Whats the CR of that judge?"
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Speaking of the work of Mr. Reynolds: when I first read the original post, my mind immediately went to this image.
GROND NOT SEE PROBLEM. WELL, COULD BE IMPROVED IF IT WAS ORC.
-grond!
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huh. random thought re spells in public.
Maybe the much lambasted manifestations could help a lot with that. Healing magic looks all white and glowy and peaceful, fire magic wreathes you in flames, cantrips are tiny sparks while higher level spells are full on magical girl transformation sequences. You can't tell what they're casting exactly but you get a general sense.
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do what my character did -- dispel the Polymorph on your pet rust monsters when you meet iron golems or knights in shining armor...Are we allowed to keep those in PFS?
...because if we are...
Within the scenario, and frankly, I can recall only one with rust monsters and enemies vulnerable to rust monsters. But frankly it is not "my pet rust monster", just a bunny that used to be a monster.
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true - because they would miss the wearer more often than expected due to induced electro-magnetic forces... but alas, we also know people in full plate armor are rather well protected from electric jolts...Forget about the iron golems, lightning elementals might get totally bananas ^^I'm really surprised there isn't a belt of magnets or bandolier with magnets to hold your many many steel daggers...and give iron golems a circumstance bonus to grapple you?
That sounds suspiciously like sciency stuff. Having played with students, I tend to avoid that stuff to avoid the arguments :P
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I'm really surprised there isn't a belt of magnets or bandolier with magnets to hold your many many steel daggers...
Versatile Vest (from Seekers of Secrets) comes kinda close, but only for like, six daggers. So not really, if you're truly serious about daggers.
(My Cardcaster used it for decks of cards).
Sometimes (in many ways really) the game doesn't make any sense towards RL limitations.
Take the OP's question of how do you carry it? As I was pointing out in another thread (and as is the case for our group in the Giants AP I'm playing in) a 19 inch tall grippli (which the race description says is still size small) can wield that aforementioned sarissa, making attacks out to 20' away. Being that tiny, the grippli actually has arms about 6" long and to 'actually' hit targets that far away, the sarissa would have to itself be 20' long, which would be the equivalent of a average human wielding a polearm 70' effectively in combat. (Even though it says its 15' and adds that much to normal reach, which the grippli has, by their size.)
Its essentially nonsensical, yet its legal by the rules. Personally I just chalk it up to a mixture of magic and cinematic flair, that larger than life essence that permeates many fantasy novels and films. That is IMO what the rules generally are trying to simulate, not realism.
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The equipment shown on the Iconic characters has always been a visual pun on the amount of gear that gets recorded on an RPG character sheet. (Where does your character store 50ft of rope, 10 potions, Iron rations and that 10” pole?)
So I worked it all out. I know where every strap and every pouch I depicted on an iconic goes and what it’s attached to.
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That. Is. Awesome!
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That. Is. Awesome!...
The equipment shown on the Iconic characters has always been a visual pun on the amount of gear that gets recorded on an RPG character sheet. (Where does your character store 50ft of rope, 10 potions, Iron rations and that 10” pole?)
So I worked it all out. I know where every strap and every pouch I depicted on an iconic goes and what it’s attached to.
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I just picture a huge backpack on my high strength characters. I've worn such packs myself enough times that it isn't tough to imagine.
On the other hand, my low strength characters all buy a mule and pack saddle with their starting gold. And the mule is always named Rusty. I have 28 PFS characters, and at least 10 of them have mules named Rusty. At least, until they reach the level where they can afford a Handy Haversack, and put Rusty out to pasture.
That. Is. Awesome!...
The equipment shown on the Iconic characters has always been a visual pun on the amount of gear that gets recorded on an RPG character sheet. (Where does your character store 50ft of rope, 10 potions, Iron rations and that 10” pole?)
So I worked it all out. I know where every strap and every pouch I depicted on an iconic goes and what it’s attached to.
...I just picture a huge backpack on my high strength characters. I've worn such packs myself enough times that it isn't tough to imagine.
On the other hand, my low strength characters all buy a mule and pack saddle with their starting gold. And the mule is always named Rusty. I have 28 PFS characters, and at least 10 of them have mules named Rusty. At least, until they reach the level where they can afford a Handy Haversack, and put Rusty out to pasture.
I'm not as consistant with what's on the donkey and what's on my person... but I've had at least three donkey's named 'Frank'. :)
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Scabbard of Many Blades, it even lets you hold things in it that can't go in scabbards. And you can switch whatever weapon is in your hand for another weapon in the scabbard as a move action, instead of 2 move actions (or dropping one to draw another). It's further reduced to a swift action if you have quick draw.
Really nice version of the Endless Quiver for melee.
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Scabbard of Many Blades, it even lets you hold things in it that can't go in scabbards. And you can switch whatever weapon is in your hand for another weapon in the scabbard as a move action, instead of 2 move actions (or dropping one to draw another). It's further reduced to a swift action if you have quick draw.
Unfortunately, it requise belt slot, which usually is occupied by some kind of physical enhancement belt.
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Scabbard of Many Blades, it even lets you hold things in it that can't go in scabbards. And you can switch whatever weapon is in your hand for another weapon in the scabbard as a move action, instead of 2 move actions (or dropping one to draw another). It's further reduced to a swift action if you have quick draw.Unfortunately, it requise belt slot, which usually is occupied by some kind of physical enhancement belt.
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I was actually amused by the thought of how some super archers grab arrows so casually as a part of shooting three in a single round.
Be ready for a whole list when you ask what arrows the character is shooting.
40 normal arrows
20 blunt arrows
20 durable silver arrows
3 tanglefoot arrows
2 lodestone arrows
2 dye arrows
50 +1 flaming arrows
Completely free action to shoot two tanglefoot arrows at the invisible monster and if they miss use your last attack to try hitting it with a dye arrow. No chance at all to grab the wrong one out of the 137 you have.
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Ah yes, Dye arrows.. or as I call them 'Ranged Infuriate'
I could infuse them with things but typically I just hit someone with one to make sure they come looking for me.
After all when a winged elf hits you from forever away with a fluorescent pink, orange or green paint arrow to the face.. you are going to want to kill him.
At least till you come running up and realize he's put away the bow, grown to 15 feet tall and has a chainsaw. : D
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be prepared...
Just saw the thread for the first time and chuckled since i was actually preforming as Mufasa in the Lion King about the time you posted that.