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Oh, it'll definitely fall well short.

And, given the massive PR campaign budget behind Super-2025, this movie also counts as grossly under performing. It, like Jurassic World: Rebirth, only looks good when one ignores that the bottom has fallen out of the Hollywood-style movie business.

It won't see profit until streaming.

This is the new normal.


Quark Blast wrote:

snip....

If the upcoming FF movie exceeds a $100M opening 'weekend', that will be bad news for Superman. If it's <$80M, that will be good news. >$125M, really bad news.

$118M it is, and it does look like a bit of wind was sucked from under Superman's cape this weekend. Not as bad as it could've been. Though, in inflation-adjusted dollars, this Superman will fall short of Man of Steel by about $400M. Great Krypton!


It's good. It's not great. I'm glad I went, if only to beat the heat.

The MCU has reset the bar exceedingly low this past half-decade. So, "clearing the bar" and "this movie will lose the studio a few $100M" can be truthfully and seemingly unironically said in the same review.

I think the 3rd act is a bit of a mess because of re-shoots/re-edits after the blow-back from early screenings and early press drops. The movie as it was, say in March, is considerably improved here in July.

Loved the retro-future aesthetic and the soundtrack was well scored and fitting.


NobodysHome wrote:

I know that I've complained about the ens**ttification of the general delivery/transportation industry many times before, but this is really a trifecta that every exec should take into consideration:

(1) Food delivery: snip....

(3) Customer rewards programs: Having 4 cats, I paid $250 to join PetCo's Premiere customer rewards program, snip....

Re: (1)

I blame the education system. These young peeps all graduated with a "3.5 GPA" (or higher!) no doubt and heard all their youth how "special" and "amazing" they are in everything they do. That taking a picture of your house is considered proof is just one more way to gamify the world - something they've been taught to do K-12.

Re: (3)
And PetCo's competition is?
Microsoft is a $1x10^12 company, yet their products suck for the most part (Excel is surprisingly good though).


Marc Radle wrote:

I think the Fantastic Four movie will do extremely good numbers.

In fact, I have a feeling it will surpass Superman …

I certainly hope so!


gran rey de los mono wrote:
....Work Woes....

I express my sympathy having to work with laggards.

OTOH, with the rise of AI and robotics, work kvetching will become a niche activity. Limited to those who have a job.

OTOOH, we may not have a livable planet given that Data Centers (a.k.a. AI factories) will be emitting north of 10% of global CO2 emissions by 2030 (they emit 1.5%-3.0% now) and those 2030 global emissions will be record setting; as they were last year and will be this year and every year through at least 2040.

I wonder when the news media will catch up with the fact that a +1.5°C 2100 stopped being a reasonable hope about 25 years ago and that we'll be lucky to hit only +2.5°C at this point.

Time for tea and crumpets indeed!


No early review embargo is not a good sign. The early hype is all curated - limited access to specific influencers known for not rocking the boat - also not a good sign.

I really love the design aesthetic though. I want that car! Er.... as long as it's an EV and doesn't really fly.


Still no Tron. Yikes!

Flynn Sr looks to be having a cameo appearance as well, being that he's all ethereal.

Why do people keep betting on Jared Leto as lead? Not a good plan.

We get a little more of the soundtrack. Passable. Not immediately hit material though. We can still hope though.


Aberzombie wrote:
A humorous note - I wore a Batman t-shirt to the movie today, and when the popcorn kid asked me about it I told him even Superman needs a hero to look up to.

D*** straight!

Looks like the box office take will be looking up to The Batman as well.

This movie used humor in a Guardians of the Galaxy way. Most of the people at the showing I attended liked it well enough - based on group laughter. But it made for a very incongruous presentation. This movie needs to exceed $700M globally; it'll be lucky to get past $600M.

If the upcoming FF movie exceeds a $100M opening 'weekend', that will be bad news for Superman. If it's <$80M, that will be good news. >$125M, really bad news.


Elio looks to be another bomb at the box office.... apparently test audiences, even their so-called target demographic, gave it a middling response.

In other live action remake news:
How to Train Your Dragon nearly cleared $200 million.

A few of the live action remakes have been a push but I thought The Jungle Book 1967-->2016 was in most ways better.

Back to Lilo and Stitch:
I think I was a little over wrought with my "sail past $1 billion" remark but it presently has legs enough to just get there. We'll see what the competition does to it over the rest of this month.


Aberzombie wrote:

‘Thunderbolts*’ Lost Millions of Dollars Despite Great Reviews. Where Does Marvel Go Next?

Probably not the kind of news Disney needed making headlines just a few weeks out from a nearly head-to-head summer match up with the Man of Steel (and dinosaurs). I can’t say I’m surprised, though.

It would've at least broke even had they not spent so much on pointless CGI/FX. The last Godzilla movie spent $15 to make it, though admittedly actors are cheaper overseas, and it looks fantastic. Which means it can be done. These consistent bombs are killing the independent theaters though. The pandemic pushed the proverbial knife into their backs and Hollywood production decisions, despite 8 years of consistently poor returns, are twisting it.


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JoelF847 wrote:
I'm not really concerned with what someone said in an interview out of context. When the movie is out, watch it, and then decide if they did a good job or not. Could have nailed the movie and fumbled the interview question, or there's simply misinterpretation of what was said.

No. When the movie is out I will go to several reviewers I trust and then I'll decide to spend the time and money. There have been far too many multi-hundred-million-dollar abject failures these last few years for me to take the optimistic approach.


*of rigor


Even people who have no experience with the books and were just watching this cold got lost. My cousin's wife noted that after the big battle among the Aes Sedai at the White Tower, the next day, one of their own comes into town and sees a burn mark on the wall and asks, 'What happened?'....

Oh, only hundreds of thousands witnessed the battle as it spilled out of the White Tower and spread through the streets. Whole buildings being brought down with the Weave, etc. The burn mark? Unsolved mystery!

It's like different people wrote and directed the separate episodes, none of them ever read the books, and there was no show runner to keep things otherwise sensible.

@Thomas Seitz - Maybe when AI can generate video from text you can make your own series. Just like Robert Jordan wrote it!
:D


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Aberzombie wrote:

I saw a quote from one of the producers that Sue Storm is the defacto leader of the team. The exact quote was...

“If you do go back through the comics, you realize that Sue Storm is arguably the leader of the Fantastic Four, because without Sue Storm, everything falls apart,” Curtis said.

As someone who's actually read plenty of FF comics, I disagree with him. Sue is more like the heart of the team. Reed is, and should be, the leader. However, I am not surprised they couldn't get even that correct.

No doubt theater-going audiences will disagree with the producers as well. This, sadly, looks to be another mega-flop.

In military terms:
Reed is the Lieutenant and Sue is the Platoon Sergeant.... or Colonel and Top Kick.... whatever. At any rate, you don't get a high functioning unit without both of those roles being held by highly capable individuals.

Debasing the IP in ignorant and stultifying fashion is de rigor in Hollywood these days. Hopefully the hundreds of millions they keep losing with each of these IP rewrites will eventually correct the course. Or write entirely new stories. I'd be fine with that.*

* Stop with the bate-and-switch and profound IP ignorance though. These writers are making six figures, maybe seven! Can you imagine? Honestly, ChatGPT could've written the script for the last Captain America movie.


I saw it. I neither regret the time nor money spent. Don't think I'll ever watch it again though.


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JoelF847 wrote:
....Despite all this, I really have no clue why so many people think Andor is so amazing. I don’t think it’s the worst Star Wars ever (that’s clearly the Acolyte, followed by Episode VIII, lets pretend spaceships are submarines and Luke Skywalker is completely different from everything we’ve ever seen of him).

The adventure is not very Star Wars. Clearly set in the SW universe (galaxy) however but it is an excellent tale with top notch writing and acting.

Agreed that the Acolyte deserves every demerit and ought to be memory-holed. Not sure who thought the lack of correlation among Episodes VII, VIII and IX would be ok but into the Sarlacc Pit they go! (if there were justice in this world).


This is one of those live actions adaptations that added nothing useful to the story, took out some setup for later gags.... and yet left the gags in so that they made no sense to anyone not familiar with the original animation.

Still, killing it at the box office and looks like it'll sail past $1 billion easy enough. If the kids like it, what do I know?


DeathQuaker wrote:

....

This said, I understand why they didn't recast T'Challa. Boseman put such a stamp on the role--he truly *was* Black Panther--and he died. I can understand leaving the role closed out of respect for Boseman....

Chadwick Boseman was the best casting choice in at least the last 10 years at Marvel. That Black Panther wasn't recast though had, sadly, nothing to do with respect for Boseman. Giving the mantle of first-tier characters to lower-tier ones has failed so many times, and cost billions by now, you'd think they'd give up on that already.


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As someone said; "Andor S1, Andor S2, Rogue One, the only SW trilogy I recognize since the Mouse took over."


Thomas Seitz wrote:
....I know it's not the easiest series to translate and in some cases, fix...but there were some changes (some of which Wolf mentioned) that made NO sense at all.

Oh, they make sense. Just watch a few interviews with the show runner. There were no mistakes in this series. Mind you, it didn't work out like they intended but there were no mistakes as it was all intentional.

While I'm fine with the idea of giving the women characters more prominence than they had in the novels, if they hadn't "Rey Skywalker'd" them it might have worked.

Like Rings of Power, one wonders why hundreds of millions are being dumped into adapting IP that no one seems to understand. Who makes the call on efforts like these?


For season 2, episodes 1-6 were slow (1-3 painfully so). Episodes 7-9 picked up considerably and are some of the best SW.... then came episodes 10-12 and everyone brought their A-game. Acting, writing and directing of the final quartile of this season has never been better SW - and that with no Jedi or Lightsabers!

Give these people control of the franchise! Oh please, oh please!


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An artist indeed! Most of this stuff predates me but I've bought more than a few comics just for the art. I especially like his rendition of Cap.


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Qunnessaa wrote:

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Yeah, I'm probably going to get a new computer early this fall. My current is nearing the end of its natural life anyway, but I'm not happy about it. :/

If I knew more about Linux ... but I'm not sure I have the time right now to get a good enough grip on it not to drive myself bonkers.

Start with an Ubuntu distro or see this guide here. Convert your Win10 PC when you get your new one and see if it isn't way easier than you thought.


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quibblemuch wrote:

So I took one of those silly internet quizzes....snip

The result:

snip.... Such vivid fantasies are the dream of one who considers reality a prison.

...

Well played, internet. Well. Played.

But.... but, reality is a prison!


Funny to be on this side of the "Hollywood kerfuffle" and see what damage they did to themselves. I only feel sorry for all the associated folk who've lost income, or indeed their jobs, especially the independent theaters. After a fraught and desperate struggle.... streaming it is!
:D

Back to Tron: Ares
The director has promise. Remember that Joseph Kosinski, prior to Tron: Legacy, had directed a music video to his credit.

Casting is solid. Certainly no worse than Legacy.

NIN has some epically big shoes to fill. Let's hope they're up to it.
The plot only need be coherent to equal the last one. I'm hopeful that it levels up past Mortal Engines.

As for Tron.... he's come back from the dead before and this was only a teaser trailer. Or maybe he commands too much money for the 'new' Hollywood to take a chance? Another funny, this sequel was canceled (now we can say, delayed) because Legacy and another Disney movie failed to meet studio expectations.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:

Wheel of Time S3 trailer out now.

Looks.... still a bit of a mess.

The trailer did a good job because its a whole cartfull of mess.

Messy indeed! But I'm glad some people like it. Since they went to so much trouble to not follow the books and also FX the #### out of this. That's a lot of money and expense to get a nothing response.

Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
So, is there anything redeeming about the show or are you just hate-watching?

The acting is not bad but I'll be darned if I can follow the plot*.

* Guess I shouldn't have read the books...


Watched Hans Zimmer talking to Rick Beato this last week.
Ol' Hans rather nails the issue with this comment here (<-- time stamped so you don't have to watch 1hr 42m of content).


captain yesterday wrote:

I mean, they're called super heroes for a reason.

Just saying.

You mean except for the super villains, right?

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DeathQuaker wrote:
FWIW, I thought the film's action scenes make very clear if you pay attention that what saves his butt most of the time is the vibranium suit....

I concur. And, FWIW, my original comment was directed at the many parts of the movie that aren't covered under the "most of the time" exception. They did the same thing with Natasha in her eponymous movie, though one might argue some sort of super serum like conditioning as a Red Room initiate.

I mean, it's not like I'm complaining "Cap never had wings! WTH!" I just want some consistency in the telling of these stories and I'm even allowing for multiverse shenanigans. Clint got his clock cleaned a time or two through the movies. Preternatural accuracy was his calling card and, who knows, maybe he's a quasi mutant.

Tony's a normie but then his suit, after the first one, is basically magi-tech.

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Freehold DM wrote:

You don't need the serum to kick ass.

He also has a super suit.

You do against Red Hulk! I mean, one should.

Yeah, I noticed a lack of suit from the neck up. That might be a design oversight.

Grace agrees, and I always trust the word of a sassy New Yorker who brings the receipts.
:D


NobodysHome wrote:

So, California's trying to secede again, which is always entertaining.

Will California ever be allowed to secede? This map says, "No."

(For those who don't trust links, in terms of net Federal money, California's one of 11 states that fund the other 39. So we're a cash cow. End of secession discussion.)

I mean.... yes. But if CA weren't attached at the hip to the rest of the USA their economy wouldn't be what it is. That and all of CA's IP patents are held by the USA, not the state of CA itself. Also, if CA is so flush with ca$h, why can't they balance their state budget? And why can't they build high speed rail faster than one meter of finished track per year at the cost of ~$100k/meter?

London however could cede from GB and be just fine I think. Finance, like illicit drugs, travels across boarders like they aren't even there.


Quark Blast wrote:

I may watch.

If they rework it in the manner of Snow White I'll give it a hard pass.

Honestly, I think at this point they should just have made a Falcon and the Winter Soldier movie. No need to "update" the characters or presentation - just give us Bucky and Sam and I'm all in! Oh please! Oh please!

If they'd only listened to me. Sigh....

IMDB says it's a "6.1" and I concur, as usual. There is little in the way of verisimilitude at Marvel (or Star Wars for that matter) anymore and it pulls me right out of the story every single time. The acting was fine, or perhaps outstanding given what they had to work with. The plot (was there a plot? maybe parts of three plots strung together?) is, as someone said, 'toothlessly topical'.

Captain Falcon has no serum to make him go, yet he goes just as hard as the OG Captain ever did. How?

It's bang on for a typical MCU bash-up runtime yet it does seem at least 20 minutes too long. How?

Have you seen the trailers? Then, in essence, you've seen the movie. Why?

Not how I would spend $400M.... just say'n.


Wheel of Time S3 trailer out now.

Looks.... still a bit of a mess.


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Watched with my cousin and family. Shockingly good. Aimed at 12-year-olds +- 4 years but still quite good. Truly a Star Wars story.
Thank the Force!


Movie is coming up here soon (December 13th, 2024) and the early reviews are rather a mixed bag, sadly.... though unsurprisingly.

Animated is not my favorite and it seems in the marketing they knew this - see here for the original trailer leading and inter-cut with 50%+ live action shots from Jackson's 25-year-old LotR movie trilogy. And they also early released an 8-minute segment from the movie.

I may go see it on the big screen but only if many favorable reviews come out from people I trust. It just doesn't look that good.


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I may watch.

If they rework it in the manner of Snow White I'll give it a hard pass.

Honestly, I think at this point they should just have made a Falcon and the Winter Soldier movie. No need to "update" the characters or presentation - just give us Bucky and Sam and I'm all in! Oh please! Oh please!


Aberzombie wrote:
I finally got around to watching it. It was entertaining, but as much as I was impressed with how the first part followed the book as best it could, I was disappointed with part two. I especially disliked the way they portrayed Chani and Stilgar. In fact, I thought much of the Fremen culture was handled poorly.

Could you be more specific?


captain yesterday wrote:
I guess I'm not that worried because the dude is 78 and eats at McDonald's.

Yeah, well, the Wizard of Omaha is 94 and eats peanut brittle by the fistful and washes it down with Coke®.


Powder is considerably less sympathetic. And this season has a more martial feel to it, making things more girl-boss than last season (didn't think that was possible). Still the best new animation out there.


NobodysHome wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
Villaneuve's strength in adapting Dune is the same Peter Jackson had with the LotR trilogy. Namely, in each case the director stayed true to the author's vision as laid out in the books.

I will always resent Peter Jackson for what he did to the LotR trilogy. I idolized Aragorn in the books. Turning him into a whiny, emo, "But I don't want to be king," was his greatest failing, but so many unnecessary rewrites of fundamental character traits like that.

And yet he did such a d**ned good job otherwise that it's unlikely anyone will try again for at least another 20 years, and they'll try to emulate Jackson's vision rather than Tolkein's.

Must be a generational thing. I recall Aragorn being a little emotionally distraught what with all the tragic death in his family. In the movie Boromir certainly sells Aragorn as a true captain of men with his dying words.

I thought Éowyn was miscast - a fine actress but not very good impression of 19yo puppy-love when coming from a woman in her 30's.

Faramir was the one who's character was uselessly changed. I get that the One Ring needed to be shown as powerfully tempting to keep up the film-narrative but, really, not everyone is tempted by power and Faramir certainly wasn't in the books.


Makes the Top 5 as a TV series from this year for sure. And I agree, we needed to see more Robert Pattinson.


lisamarlene wrote:

Unpopular opinion time:

We finally watched Villaneuve's Dune Part 2 last night.

While I love the design of the ornithopters and the cinematography, honestly, it left me just as cold as the Syfy Dune/Children of Dune left me. And that was at least more faithful to the book. Villaneuve started out with the book, and then got bored and decided to remake Lawrence of Arabia instead. I got very tired of shouting "THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT HAPPENED!"

But it was pretty....

SyFy Dune was not so great. Say, "C+" TV fair, tops.

SyFy Children of Dune cast 24yo James McAvoy and 22yo Jessica Brooks as the titular 10yo twins but was a better effort. Say, "B+" TV fair.

Villaneuve's strength in adapting Dune is the same Peter Jackson had with the LotR trilogy. Namely, in each case the director stayed true to the author's vision as laid out in the books.

Furthermore, the music is nothing like David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia. Though worthy of the Oscars it won, Lean's movie is scarcely comparable to Villaneuve's, except incidentally in the desert setting.

The transformation of Paul from princeling to prophet was handled exceptionally well. Chani's roll in the story, while a little different than the book, is a reasonable modification. His handling of the Bene Gesserit, and spice prescience, is brilliant.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Everything that's wrong with AI and automated systems in a brief, hilarious nutshell:

(1) My original manager (OM) resigned in March of 2022.
(2) My new manager (NM), director (D), and vice president (VP) were all laid off in August of 2022.
(3) Within a year, D managed to find a new position at Global Megacorporation.

So, we're moving to a new file management system. I had to put in a request for ownership of all of OM and NM's stuff so I could continue to maintain the archives. Since OM had resigned, the transfer went through with no issues. Since NM had been laid off, an automatic approval was triggered to NM's manager. The system checked, "Who was his manager?", found D, and assigned her the approval.

She's in a completely different division now, but system wouldn't proceed without her approval. Fortunately, she's good people and bemusedly approved the request. But neither automated systems nor AI handle, "This person was with the company, then wasn't, but now is again," well.

"Automated systems" sounds like Workday - the bane of everyone everywhere if they work at a large corporation or government enterprise.


This series is to Batman as Andor is to Star Wars - excellent in its own right but also fits nicely in the previous legendarium.

I slogged through Gotham but this show is so much better it makes me regret all over again all the hours I wasted watching Gotham.

Maybe they wanted to see how well it caught on before tying the Batman into it directly. One can only hope!


Freehold DM wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I don't even know how to respond to the idea of taking second-hand information as gospel, especially in an environment where outrage and clickbait generates engagement thanks to the nightmare of modern algorithms.
Freehold DM wrote:

Seriously?

You let them do your thinking for you?

Ah, the rejoinder of people who haven't looked at the evidence presented* but prefer to slam my sources in gleeful self-righteous ignorance. That and the bold assumption that I can't outsmart the YouTube algorithm to find quality content. People are so funny.

* Dan and Grace are about as open-minded and fair in the art of film criticism as one is ever likely to discover. Are there better sources out there? Maybe but I have a life to live and I know what walks and what merely talks when I see it. Go ahead, watch a post or three from each of them and tell me they're not worth listening to.

That's a lot of words to use to say "yes"....

That's a unique and free-wheeling interpretation of my "lot of words".

You also make it abundantly clear you'll never so much as take a listen to see if Dan and Grace are any good at their jobs but simply continue to sit back and lob stones.

For those with an open mind:
Watching good content is a favorite pastime. I cannot possibly watch/review everything film + streaming. Therefore I wisely let others, whose job it is to do just that and who show themselves to be informed and fair minded, present their data and I choose from there. I get other incidental input from various friends and/or coworkers but Grace and Dan provide well in excess of 50% of my input for decision making.


Greylurker wrote:

Was talking it over after watching episode 4 today and the consensus we came to is that there are Good Scenes in this but those scene are then tied together with the flimsiest of string.

They just don't seem to put a lot of effort in getting to each of the good scenes.
Overall it's ok but it should be better

For $1,000,000,000 it should be a ####### #### better!

Sadly, per your post, the effort is truly asinine. If one were to come at this knowing nothing about Tolkien's legendarium, there is this bewildering mix of fantastic fantasy world CGI and utter tripe for a story. Aside from that and the costuming (EXCEPTION! Númenóreans foremost) and the good (for a TV-show) homage to Howard Shore, the show stands as a peer to old TV shows like Hercules or similar.

Now, if one is familiar with Tolkien's writings.... Well, let's just say that, though I don't promote such channels, the haters score many valid points when discussing this show.


Can you say "ad blocker"?
:D


DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
I don't even know how to respond to the idea of taking second-hand information as gospel, especially in an environment where outrage and clickbait generates engagement thanks to the nightmare of modern algorithms.
Freehold DM wrote:

Seriously?

You let them do your thinking for you?

Ah, the rejoinder of people who haven't looked at the evidence presented* but prefer to slam my sources in gleeful self-righteous ignorance. That and the bold assumption that I can't outsmart the YouTube algorithm to find quality content. People are so funny.

* Dan and Grace are about as open-minded and fair in the art of film criticism as one is ever likely to discover. Are there better sources out there? Maybe but I have a life to live and I know what walks and what merely talks when I see it. Go ahead, watch a post or three from each of them and tell me they're not worth listening to.


Freehold DM wrote:

Everyone is evil...

And you didn't make it past the second episode?

This is why the fanbase is deteriorating.

You could say that, or you might consider I follow Grace and Dan, giving me quality information to base my statements on without all the drek of having to actually watch a series decidedly not worth watching.

And now you know!
;D


Ah, front-loaded costs....
One thing not considered yet: Most Prime members are not signing up for just streaming. In fact, everyone I know who has Prime has it for reasons other than streaming and would still have it even if it didn't include streaming. So it RoP would really have to suck hard to get less than five seasons.

Yet Galadriel still pining for Halbrand/Sauron (never mind her EVER fallen for him in the first place!) is an astonishingly vapid take on Tolkien's legendarium. This show isn't just a soap opera, it's a particularly egregious take on one.

And don't even get me started on Gand-elf.... Ai! Ai! The pain is too great to bear!


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JoelF847 wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:
Every character in the show (unless they had a profound pervasive developmental disability and I missed that) was evil.

I almost agree with you on this point, but there were 2 exceptions. 1) The Yoda post credits cameo, he didn't say or do anything, but wasn't evil at least. And 2) the senator investigating the Jedi (not to mention a good actor) was the true hero of the show.

EDIT: Oh, and 3) the not on screen technician who created the Jedi metal detectors which could sense disturbances in the force, since none of the Jedi themselves in the show seemed to be able to. He was a pure hearted hero who clearly didn't get the credit he deserved.

Thank you for setting me straight, though you do the show no favors by detailing how I was wrong. At any rate, I'll assume you are correct on this. In my defense, I didn't make it past episode 2.

:D