My gunslinger in the party says he isn't having fun and suggested a deed that allowed him to fire special ammunition instead of what's loaded like firing a scatter shot from a pistol or using a flare shot for a grit or two per shot, what do y'all think?
My gunslinger in the party says he isn't having fun and suggested a deed that allowed him to fire special ammunition instead of what's loaded like firing a scatter shot from a pistol or using a flare shot for a grit or two per shot, what do y'all think?
I don't think that will make him have fun for more than a session. And then maybe the cleric isn't having fun either... and would like to cast cure light wounds that showers the player with glitterdust instead. I'd say no...
Fair enough, do you know anything I could do to let him have some fun, he says that he's bored of just shooting things, he came up with this, he's the one who came up with the idea, he had other ideas but they would definitely unbalance the game, stuff like x-ray vision sights and stuff
Well, it's not the first time I hear someone saying that the gunslinger is boring. I cannot aggree or refuse as I haven't personally tried it. But you cannot give him new mechanics or powers as your other characters could start asking for it too. If he isn't enjoying his class he might rather try something new. Fixing a thing or two won't change what he's playing and might cause trouble with other players.
He does realize that's what a gunslinger does right? That's like the wizard deciding he tired of casting spells. There are plenty of specialized cartridges for the gunslinger to use and lot's of deeds to do some pretty cool tricks. What level did they start at and what level are they at now?
We started at level one he's half way through level two now
Is he not having fun, or does he feel the gun slinger is not strong enough? As his ideas to make it fun (x-ray scope) sounds like they would just increase his power. Gun slingers can to a lot of things other than just shoot enemies. Check out all the grit abilities, or level dip into something that blends in with his concept.
Is he not having fun, or does he feel the gun slinger is not strong enough? As his ideas to make it fun (x-ray scope) sounds like they would just increase his power. Gun slingers can to a lot of things other than just shoot enemies. Check out all the grit abilities, or level dip into something that blends in with his concept.
He explicitly told me he's not having fun.
He has told me he plans to dip into ninja, I don't know how well that'll work for him but that's what he said he wanted to do.
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He does realize that's what a gunslinger does right? That's like the wizard deciding he tired of casting spells. There are plenty of specialized cartridges for the gunslinger to use and lot's of deeds to do some pretty cool tricks. What level did they start at and what level are they at now?We started at level one he's half way through level two now
Ahh. I have this problem with my players quite often. They start off with these grand expectations of a class or build and within a level or two are just fed up with it. I have cut back on the just re-roll a new guy. They have to die now. This leads to the group doing everything they can to save their now suicidal friend (fun times). Low level can be boring for any class though. Tell him to look ahead at some of the class abilities to come. If he thinks those are still boring let him go out in a blaze of glory and roll up another. This is what my players do. It has lead to so great scenes as someone decides that it is time to roll a new character and will just go all Leroy Jenkins. Then the next thing you know they've cleared an entire dungeon in one night.
I've given him the option to re build but he said that there isn't a gun class that seems any more fun, he's looked at the class features and doesn't like them either, do call know of any gun archetypes he would find fun?
I'll talk to my player about it, I just want him to have fun
Tarik that's a good idea
Is this player likely to fall into the rut with other types of characters? Nothing to do but shoot, nothing to do but swing a sword, nothing to do but cast magic missile, etc?
I'll talk to my player about it, I just want him to have funThat is key Dox. Keep that in mind always and you will find an answer.
Thanks, hopefully we can work this out, my other players are enjoying it so if we can sort him out we'll be golden
Is this player likely to fall into the rut with other types of characters? Nothing to do but shoot, nothing to do but swing a sword, nothing to do but cast magic missile, etc?
I don't know, he doesn't usually but he normally plays a bard
Is this player likely to fall into the rut with other types of characters? Nothing to do but shoot, nothing to do but swing a sword, nothing to do but cast magic missile, etc?I don't know, he doesn't usually but he normally plays a bard
And now we've gotten to the point! Bards can do almost everything so if he goes with a much more simple class it's kind of normal that he feels that he cannot do much.
He does realize that's what a gunslinger does right? That's like the wizard deciding he tired of casting spells.
Every spell does something different. Every bullet does the same thing.
They're not equivalent circumstances in the least.
Consider letting him play a Path of War class with a gun. The Solar Wind and Tempest Galle Disciplines would let him shoot things, but still do fun stuff (bullets that pin people to the ground, shots that curve around corners, etc.) as he levels up.
The Desperado, which is a Warlord archetype is a good option.
I'll talk to my player about it, I just want him to have fun
Here's the 64 dollar question. What are the possible things he can have fun out of? What is fun for him? I knew a player whose idea of fun was to rebell against any goal taken up or imposed on the group. Fun for him, but not anyone else in the session. Gunslingers do have martial weapon access, so maybe he can vary his routine with a bit of sword work. Worked for the Last Centurion after all.
I see what you all mean, unfortunately I can't contact him until he gets out of school in a few hours but I'll have a discussion with him. Thanks for all the advice though
Going from a Bard one of the most fun classes in pathfinder to a gunslinger, the single most streamlined pigeon holed class in the game, doesn't surprise me he is a bit bored.
As the others have said multiclasssing or re-rolling into another class is probably the answer. I've heard good things about a gunslinger/Occultist build there is an archetype that gives your a magical fancy weapon at level one that he can cast out of and I think it stops missfires or something, can't remember.
Or let him rebuild as a 3/4 bab 6th level casting class, you'll probably find he immediately has more to do and quickly stops being bored I play those classes almost exclusively now outside of power games (in which the 9th level casters come out) and I've found that they're the sweet spot for pathfinder unless you have a decent level of system mastery then some more obscure builds open up which might be fun.
I will agree with what others have said and say that he should probably just change classes.
Have him try any of the 6th level spell progression 3/4 BAB classes such as Inquisitor, Warpriest, Magus, Bard, Hunter, Alchemist, Summoner, Investigator, Skald, Mesmerist, Occultist, Spiritualist.
They usually have a good combination of skills, utility (via spells), and martial ability depending on how you choose to build the classes.
These are the "sweet spot" classes in my opinion in terms of being able to contribute in all situations and having interesting things to do.
He definitely wants to still use guns that's like what he was really excited about, like what do you think he would enjoy, maybe I could hand wave the gun proficiency if the class doesn't have it already just so I have a suggestion for him when I talk to him
Maybe give my firearm houserules a look? It removes touch attacks and misfires, but makes Dex-to-damage an innate feature. This makes firearms accessible enough that you don't need to play a whole class dedicated to having a gun in order to use a gun competently.
Funny you mention those, I do use them actually, still need classes he would enjoy
A Mesmerist wouldn't brake the game by being given some decent gunslinging skills since they're innately not particularly martially inclined would allow a nice low maintenance method of deploying deadly stare damage.
Allows a nice twist on bards, people tend to refer to them as the anti-bard.
A Mesmerist wouldn't brake the game by being given some decent gunslinging skills since they're innately not particularly martially inclined would allow a nice low maintenance method of deploying deadly stare damage.
Allows a nice twist on bards, people tend to refer to them as the anti-bard.
Ooh I bet he'd be all over that, I'm sure that he could flavor the mesmerist as some sort of desperado like he wants, good idea
Ah, cool.
What does the player usually find fun in classes? It might be just a matter of figuring out the preferences and finding a class to match it.
He really likes playing bards, he really enjoys the feeling of buffing or doing over the top stuff
Campaign Overlay: Fantasy Firearms is a cool way to spice up guns in the fantasy setting.
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I still wish muskets/bows/crossbows were all just once kind of weapon mechanically (two-handed ranged weapon)and you were just allowed to describe it as whatever you wanted, provided you had martial weapon proficiency.
Make pistols and handcrossbows the same mechanically. I'm fine with the flavor of firearms, but I don't like the touch AC mechanics and I don't like how crossbows suck.
I see what you mean, but I feel that cyrad's rules solve the problems pretty well
Well I've talked to my friend, he says the he doesn't really want to rebuild his character and doesn't want to be a burden...oh well I tried I just hope he can enjoy just hangin with good friends
Bard, inquisitor, mesmerist, occultist, oracle, cleric, paladin are all fine choices. Gunslinger is a decent dip, so it's not like a level or two in gunslinger is a terrible thing. I personally play a gunslinger/inquisitor in PFS.
Actually, an urban skald might be fun if he flavors his raging song as a rambo-style rage.
Ooh, I talk to him about what he can plan towards, thanks for all the advice guys
Consider multiclassing gunslinger and swashbuckler. It gives you a lot of dex-based melee options and increases your grit pool so you can use deeds more often.
Is he not having fun, or does he feel the gun slinger is not strong enough? As his ideas to make it fun (x-ray scope) sounds like they would just increase his power. Gun slingers can to a lot of things other than just shoot enemies. Check out all the grit abilities, or level dip into something that blends in with his concept.He explicitly told me he's not having fun.
He has told me he plans to dip into ninja, I don't know how well that'll work for him but that's what he said he wanted to do.
I would suggest Rogue, rather than Ninja, if he is only going for one level.
I'm kinda shocked no one has mentioned it - suggest that he multiclass into alchemist! The Explosive Missile discovery is pretty much exactly what he's looking for, especially with a couple other bomb discoveries. The best part is that the standard action fully covers loading and firing, too, so he can do this while on the move. This could be a really fun character - maybe not "optimized", but definitely fun, and still competitive. If you wanted to let him pick up Explosive Missile at alchemist 2 instead of alchemist 4 (since he'll be character level 4 at that point), I wouldn't see any harm in it. Depending on his 'slinger's Intelligence, you might want to let him adjust a little bit, just so that he can get enough bombs per day.
I think he'd enjoy the other tools that would be added to his kit, like extracts, bombs, discoveries, and mutagen. There are loads of entertaining alchemist archetypes out there, too. And hey - problems reloading? - tentacles, vestigial limbs, tumor familiars, and spectral arms are all here to help!
As many have said, if he's bored with Gunslinger, multiclassing might be the answer.
I'm in an Iron Gods game, and I made a dwarven Gunslinger (with the Gun Tank archetype)/Warpriest (with the Forgepriest archetype). The mix of classes and ability to use Warpriest spells and abilities to buff myself and/or my gun, while also having access to the full Cleric list, keeps things interesting.
My initial plan was to just take Gunslinger to 5 like everybody else (for Dex to damage), but as I get higher in level the next goalpost always looks a little more tempting. Targeting at 7th gives some nice conditions, including an unopposed trip and disarm.
There are also several archetypes that give you a gun. Steel Hound Investigators, Black Powder Inquisition, Spellslinger Wizards, Gunmaster Vigilante, and probably others I'm missing can all give that flavor without necessarily using the same mechanics.
Also, touching back on the original question about a particular deed to get versatile bullets, one of the recent books (Villain Codex maybe?) has several additional types of bullets that may fit that need.
My player has shown intrest in a 3rd party class called the gearhead I think it's fine it's like a wizard but tech based. It'll give him versatility and keep his flavor