Multiple Attacks and Feint


Rules Questions

Silver Crusade

If a character can make multiple attacks, can s/he substitute feint for one attack?

The SRD says that a single attack and a feint are both standard actions, but multiple attacks are a full round action. The SRD also says that a monk may substitute sunder, trip or disarm for an attack in "flurry of blows" but does not mention feint.

Sovereign Court

Andrew Besso wrote:
If a character can make multiple attacks, can s/he substitute feint for one attack?

No, due to the fact that feint is a standard action, and multiple attacks always fall under the full-round action.

Andrew Besso wrote:
The SRD says that a single attack and a feint are both standard actions, but multiple attacks are a full round action. The SRD also says that a monk may substitute sunder, trip or disarm for an attack in "flurry of blows" but does not mention feint.

It true, the rules get a bit wonky here...

A melee attack is a subset of a standard action. If you move and attack it is treated as a standard action.

However, an attack can also a subset of a full-round action. At that point it can potentially be used multiple times.

The key thing is whether something is labeled as either a strait up "standard" or an "attack." If it is standard then it is going to locked out of any full-attack actions, but if it is just tagged as an attack then you'll be able to lump it into a bunch of attacks.

Since feint is labeled as a standard action, it won't be able to fit into a flurry.

But beyond that, feint wouldn't fit into a flurry because even with improved feint, you'd only be able to perform it once per round. A standard feint takes a standard action, which allows your next attack (next round) to gain the benefits of the feint. With improved feint you get to perform it as a move action, freeing up a standard action to attack in the same round.

Silver Crusade

Sigh...
I thought that was probably the answer, but I hoped I was wrong. My rogue will just have to wait until she can get Improve Feint.

Scarab Sages

Bah. Get a mage to cast greater invisibility on you instead and then used a ranged weapon to make sneak attacks. :)

Sovereign Court

Full ranks of acrobatics and just tumble around stuff to flank it works too.

Silver Crusade

Morgen wrote:
Full ranks of acrobatics and just tumble around stuff to flank it works too.

That's mostly what I have been doing. Anyway, it's more in character. Why go face-to-face when you can hit 'em from behind?

Sovereign Court

Andrew Besso wrote:
That's mostly what I have been doing. Anyway, it's more in character. Why go face-to-face when you can hit 'em from behind?

I always recommend teamwork! It's the best way to win any kind of fight. :)

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