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Worked for me. I was an old school Thor fan. One of my first favorites, long ago, up through Simonson's classic run. I'd drifted away and only checked in occasionally or saw him in Avengers and other titles. The Goddess of Thunder brought me back.
Same here. I liked Thor long before Simonson shook things up and tied it more tightly into mythology and magic. (Some of the earlier Thor tales had Asgardians riding around in hovercraft and using energy weapons and otherwise suggesting that they were more like aliens who'd taken on the role of gods, than actual gods.)
But Marvel's treatment of Thor had been stale for quite some time (being outdone by 'Journey into Mystery' tales about *Loki*, of all things!), which company wide events more focused on Iron Man, so the Goddess of Thunder run kind of shook things up again (and I like Jane Foster-as-Thor a heck of a lot more than Beta Ray Bill or Thunderstrike!). The storyline has been great, the art (and especially the coloring!) has been stunning, and it's not just got me buying her book, but also picking up the Unworthy Thor, about the classic Odinson exploring his own role, and reminding anyone stupid enough to cross his path that he's always been more than just 'the dude with the hammer.'
(Indeed, I used to read classic Thor stories about Thor as a young man, carrying a sword, because he didn't have Mjolnir yet, so, as a long-term fan, a hammer-less Thor isn't exactly a shocking new development. I'm sure he'll get it back, and twenty years from now, he'll lose it again for whatever reason, and fans who were born after 2020 will be moaning and wailing about how he's not Thor without the hammer over whatever sort of brain-computer interface we're using to nerdrage over stuff like this by then.)
I've also lived through Nomad, USAgent, Winter Soldier, etc. as 'Captain America,' so I'm not retiring to my fainting couch that somebody else is holding the shield, for a time. The wheel, she turns, and everything comes around again. It's what wheels do.
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wow.
Are you even reading Sam Wilson? Because this makes it sound like you really aren't.
Oh, I guess Harry Hauser would agree.
Also I think that what might hurt Marvel more than the diversity issue is the general quality of their storylines, especially as far as the big cannons are concerned. I'm not too fond of Peter Parker being the new Tony Stark, I don't know when I really liked the last Avengers issue and I absolutely don't know what to say about the Inhumans vs. X-Men nonsense. They still produce some great quality comics but those center mostly around a single hero that is not one of the flagship characters.
In the meantime, DC has pulled the stunt of making their own flagline characters interesting again and at least at the moment, it seems that their storylines are way more interesting and have better quality than what Marvel publishes at the moment. That combined with a really competitive price on the cover might make DC comics just that bit more appealing at the moment
wow.
Are you even reading Sam Wilson? Because this makes it sound like you really aren't.
Oh, I guess Harry Hauser would agree.
ROTFL!!!
Nope. The law was repealed one or two storylines after Civil War.
Also I think that what might hurt Marvel more than the diversity issue is the general quality of their storylines,
For me it was the quality of the writing. I bought one of the new thor issues a while back and, i gotta be honest the whole putting in rough descriptions of dialogue the author wanted to include but couldn't bring themselves to write fell flat for me. (I realize it was probably just that issue, still kind of a disappointing writing technique) If you cant write it, dont try to include it. Same as i wouldn't take my year of ceramics study and try to wheel throw a 8 foot porcelain pot with slipcast handles and intricate sgraffito work expecting it to come out the way it did in my head.
That said i might give it a second look since so many here seemed to enjoy it.
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Speaking as huge Thor fan (My first marvel comic was done by Walt Simonson), I think it's cool that Jane Foster takes over for Thor. At least until we figure out why he's unworthy and if there's a way around it.
TheJeff,
I think Greenie is talking about Cap's role in freeing imprisoned Supers that didn't go along with the Super Hero Registration Act.
But I could be wrong. (I honestly don't remember the Watchdogs in any of Civil War I.)
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Steve being Hydra is only slightly less of an abomination than MAGNETO....@$%@# Auschwitz survivor...... MAGNETO joining Hydra. Marvel's gone off the rails.
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Only reason Eric should join Hydra is so he can get close to the higher-up So he can properly pull out the roots before he turns their bases into craters.
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No I'm talking about Watchdogs rounding up "undocumented workers" and Sam assisting them in staying in the country illegally.
Are the Watchdogs a law enforcement agency now in 616, and authorized to round people up? Or were they being all vigilante, taking the law into their own hands and breaking the law by pretending to be law enforcement and kidnapping people? I suspect the latter, although, given the current state of the MCU, I could be wrong.**
It's mot, as far as I know, Sam *or* the Watchdog's job to check people's immigration status, and put them on the train to the camps if zey can't provide zair paypers.
**(I mean, I guess if AIM is working for the government, and Cap's working for Hydra, and von Doom is a superhero, anything can happen...) :)
So 616 is Nazi Earth???
As it should be.
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That would be a fine answer, for a few decades ago, when 'critic' was a job held down by some dudes who wrote for newspapers, and reviewed every movie that came out, even if it was in a genre that they couldn't stand.
But now that any yob with a computer and internet connection can write a review *and most of them are in fact, fans of what they choose to review*, it's not as valid.
Still hoping it's a great show, with dragons and mysticism and mind-blowing high-kicking martial arts glory in the back six episodes, to make all the naysayers go 'what!?'
Also hoping that if it *isn't* a great show, and that the reviewers are right that Jessica-Henwick-as-Colleen Wing is the breakout performance from this show, that it might lead to a greenlit Daughters of the Dragon replacing a hypothetical Iron Fist season 2 on the schedule.
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I would watch the s++# out of a Daughters of the Dragon show, whether or not Iron Fist does well.
Comic book Misty Knight is a bit more of a badass than Netflix Misty Knight, but, at least from the previews, Netflix Colleen Wing seems more dynamic a character than comic-book Colleen Wing, so perhaps that balances out.
It's funky that all four Netflix shows have a side-chick, of sorts. Claire Temple (and later Elektra) in Daredevil, Trish 'Patsy' Walker in Jessica Jones, Misty Knight in Luke Cage and now Colleen Wing in Iron Fist. An all-girl Defenders spin-off is entirely do-able. (Or, as Jessica Jones is the token girl on the Defenders, they could use Will What's His Name, from Jessica Jones, as the token boy, on a Daughters of the Dragon spin off...)
Granted, none of them have super-powers, like the Netflix Defenders, but that's never stopped movies about the Punisher or Batman getting greenlit. :)
Man, so many 'street level' heroes out there, waiting for their moment. Moon Knight, the Prowler, White Tiger (preferably one of the ladies!), Hellstrom...
In the 70's and 80's at least they were just best friends. I dunno if that changed or anything. Hell, Colleen was super pissed at Misty for dropping Danny to go off with some other guy at one point, and hurt on Danny's behalf (to the point she was a hair trigger away from murdering somebody).
Steve being Hydra is only slightly less of an abomination than MAGNETO....@$%@# Auschwitz survivor...... MAGNETO joining Hydra. Marvel's gone off the rails.
he's mind whammied. He's been mind whammied before. Eventually he will shake it off, go WHAT HAVE I DONE, put hydra in jail, which they will eventually break out of, and things will return to normal.
Also, hadn't magneto joined hydra before? Or was that aim?
What Set said.
Also, the Watchdogs have always been bad guys and everytime they show up, there's controversy from some right wing types who see themselves reflected and aren't happy about it. This probably goes back well before the Watchdogs, likely to the original Hitler punching cover.
It's also worth pointing out that Sam has always been more "liberal" than Steve - inner city social worker type that he is.
All that said, I haven't read the current storyline and can't comment on it in any detail - nor apparently has anyone here.
falcon is the world's second toughest social worker!
Moreover, yeah. Watchdogs have been attempting to "help" the forces of law and order since their inception. They are the classic Doing It Wrong trope. It's kinda their thing.
No I'm talking about Watchdogs rounding up "undocumented workers" and Sam assisting them in staying in the country illegally.Are the Watchdogs a law enforcement agency now in 616, and authorized to round people up? Or were they being all vigilante, taking the law into their own hands and breaking the law by pretending to be law enforcement and kidnapping people? I suspect the latter, although, given the current state of the MCU, I could be wrong.**
It's mot, as far as I know, Sam *or* the Watchdog's job to check people's immigration status, and put them on the train to the camps if zey can't provide zair paypers.
**(I mean, I guess if AIM is working for the government, and Cap's working for Hydra, and von Doom is a superhero, anything can happen...) :)
they were clearly being vigilantes in the storyline, I believe they actively said so during a monologue.
Steve being Hydra is only slightly less of an abomination than MAGNETO....@$%@# Auschwitz survivor...... MAGNETO joining Hydra. Marvel's gone off the rails.he's mind whammied. He's been mind whammied before. Eventually he will shake it off, go WHAT HAVE I DONE, put hydra in jail, which they will eventually break out of, and things will return to normal.
Also, hadn't magneto joined hydra before? Or was that aim?
Jail really? whats the point of being an incredibly powerful mutant bad guy if you put your enemies who used you in jail. unless of course that jail was located in Antarctica or bottom of the ocean etc.
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I think he meant Cap would put them in jail. Magneto doesn't do incarceration.
I think he meant Cap would put them in jail. Magneto doesn't do incarceration.
Good I'm glad that is cleared up.
Finn Jones spoke on the matter. And was fairly eloquent. He feels (too paraphrase) the show was made for fans of the character, and fans of Marvel, and the Netflix shows. Not for the critics.
Nah... He's spouting off badly worded gibberish that is kind of disturbing and off putting with the whole," Its trump fault," statement. It probably doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you're playing a cliched character whose only gimmick has been done by the competition far more better.
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Nah... He's spouting off badly worded gibberish that is kind of disturbing and off putting with the whole," Its trump fault," statement. It probably doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you're playing a cliched character whose only gimmick has been done by the competition far more better.
Having read this, I must defer to your evident expertise in badly worded gibberish.
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"Made to fans".
That is sentence that NEVER promises anything good. Like how Warcraft was made for the fans, and Suicide Squad was made for the fans. Both Duncan Jones and David Ayer said this. "Not made for critics" is another stupid thing to say. It demeans the work that critics do, and shows that you dislike the criticsm to your stuff, not learning from it. "I did not do anything wrong, it was the critics." Bleugh.
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Eh ill take the other side and say I dislike critics and refuse to call what they do work.
Nah... He's spouting off badly worded gibberish that is kind of disturbing and off putting with the whole," Its trump fault," statement. It probably doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you're playing a cliched character whose only gimmick has been done by the competition far more better.Having read this, I must defer to your evident expertise in badly worded gibberish.
For as much as people complain otherwise Iron Fist is Batman. Your brand new superhero show should not have the same premise of Batman. He argued that people now hate white rich superheroes when you know Batman sure as hell isn't getting any flack and its the same exact premise.
"Made to fans".
That is sentence that NEVER promises anything good. Like how Warcraft was made for the fans, and Suicide Squad was made for the fans. Both Duncan Jones and David Ayer said this. "Not made for critics" is another stupid thing to say. It demeans the work that critics do, and shows that you dislike the criticsm to your stuff, not learning from it. "I did not do anything wrong, it was the critics." Bleugh.
Im not sure if blaming Trump either for your show getting bad ratings either is a good thing. Like what the hell was he thinking?
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Like how Warcraft was made for the fans, and Suicide Squad was made for the fans.
Haven't seen Suicide Squad, but Warcraft was a fine movie (with some flaws) as it was, and I can easily see that it was made to appeal to fans mostly.
The thing is, that especially professional critics often tend to be a bit elitist in their views, and I don't mean that in a good sense. I've read up on some of those reviews and I found it quite amusing how adamant some of them were that the whole series must be total crap while openly admitting that they had only seen part of it.
Might be possible that they are right this time, but I know for a fact that I like such an awful lot of movies and series that didn't get much positivity from the critics that I basically stopped listening to any of them and rather judge them by myself.
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For as much as people complain otherwise Iron Fist is Batman. Your brand new superhero show should not have the same premise of Batman. He argued that people now hate white rich superheroes when you know Batman sure as hell isn't getting any flack and its the same exact premise.
Reading about how the series starts, I was rather thinking Arrow, but that doesn't really devaluate your argument. ;)
I'll say so that my guess would be that when he used the "public enemy #1" phrase, he wasn't so much referring to the general people but to the part of the media that holds no sympathies whatsoever for Donald Trump. I don't necessarily think that he's right, but he's at least right in so far that the political landscape has really changed upside down between them starting filming and the release. So all those comparisons to Bruce Wayne or Oliver Queen miss the fact that those series were already established before Donald Trump started to run for presidency. If that colors the perception of a large part of the critics might depend on where they stand in the political spectrum. And given how much focus everyone puts on the fact that they used a white actor, I'll guess again that those critics don't lean to the right. ^^
I dunno...generally speaking I find that while individual critics may have very different tastes then me, in aggregate they usually do give a good idea of if I will enjoy something or not.
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Iron Fist = Batman isn't wholly wrong either. And the Trump thing also isn't wrong. Though bringing it up sounds bad.
I was watching Mundane Matt discuss this on YouTube last night. There is a very big cultural bias against the 1% in recent times. More so since the election, since a rich white guy (because clearly no one who has ever run for president has ever been rich) won. People don't want a rich white superhero. (A rich, white villain would go over big though.)
If you recall, that was the point behind Iron Man 50+ yrs ago. He was a rich white guy - and an arms dealer, in a time of a large peace movement. he was someone the audience should hate, and Stan wanted to make them love him anyway.
Today's audience loves RDJ's performance, and so he gets a pass. Batman has been loved for decades, so he gets a pass. In both cases, people look past the rich white guy to the awesomeness.
But this is a new character (to the general audience). Rather than give him a chance, they are pre-disposed to hate him, and aren't giving him a chance. And despite the fact that blaming the guy in office is so popular, that is also being seen as a cop out. (Which, while it is kinda true, it also kinda is.)
(I'm probably not explaining it as well as what I heard in the video, but hopefully, I caught enough key points to be followed.)
None of this makes any sense.