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I truly hate damien.
They should have done number 6 earlier. It's too late for me. That said I like what they did with Jaime in young justice.
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Looks like we might be getting two Titan teams
One lead by Daimien and one lead by NightwingI want to believe, but my heart's been hurt before.
Nightwing's team = Donna Troy, Aqualad, Arsenal and Omen
Damien's team = Raven, Starfire, Beastboy and Kid Flashand This still looks fun
Here is what I now about Rebirth so far
1- 52 Superman dies and pre52 Superman takes over.
2- Lex is also calling himself Superman
3- Lois Lane becomes Superwoman
4- Some kid in China also becomes Superman
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7- Daimien and Jon will be teaming up in a book called Super Sons. (I am also excited by this cause it looks fun)
This looks...
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*ahem*
... super.
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Rucka is on Wonder Woman, and he is going to Fix The Damage. I'm sold!
Also, I'm really glad that DC Comics Bombshells is still going on. If you've never heard of it: it's an alternate timeline book that has the US and USSR jump into WW2 in 1939. It reimagines some of the characters as being of alternate nationalities. It focuses on DC's awesome women, but some of the guys are around in supporting roles (one of them is Hal Jordan, but the artist draws him looking like Kyle Rayner for some reason).
Still not sold? There are plenty of queer characters, characters of colour, comedy, a properly drawn Amanda Waller, drama, action, romance, and John Constantine as a chain smoking, strudel chomping rabbit.
I sure hope Injustice gets dustbinned. The quality under Taylor was a..'Doing the best with what he has to work with' deal. He kinda embraced the lunacy and the Plastic Man special with the jailbreak was fantastic and funny.
The writer after that? Oh so bad. Promptly started retconning a bunch of the escapes, he actually had a bunch of villains just standing around waiting to get caught and the last two issues..
I heard there was a writer change but I didn't know it was that bad.
Well... This is the last year of Injustice, anyway... The game's story happens 5 years after Joker kills Lois Lane, and this is the 5th year. So unless they want to retell the game's story mode (or a sequel), this is the end.
It's actually quite interesting (and shocking) seeing Superman finally going into full-fledged Evil territory.
I'm not a fan of this last volume, but it's not that bad... Those "would-be freedom fighters" were invoking and rallying under the name of the Joker, painting him as an anti-establishment hero who fought for freedom. Calling them "terrorists" wouldn't be completely inaccurate.
And I actually though Bizarro's misadventures were quite funny for the most part. The way Trickster befriends and manipulates him is not as dumb as MannyGoblins makes it sound... XD
The Plastic Man issue was the only one I actually bought*cough cough*. I mean, Taylor knew what we wanted and gave it to us with just a few words..
NYARGHHHHHHHH!
"I found the key!"
"I bet he twirls it every time he thinks no one's watching and laughs maniacally."
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I knew that it would not last DC lost me as reader when every new event had the usual tagine of promising to change the status quo and in the end. Mega event after event. Stuff would happen in those events and have no bearing on the status quo. At least Marvel flaws and all are wiling to change the status quo. So I held off buying the reboot as I knew DC would reboot the major reboot. I may no longer collection to from them yet wish them well as the comics industry needs to have multiple comic companies Imo.
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Ted Kord is teaching ...
Isn't Ted Kord dead?
More fundamentally, I was a fan in the mid-80's when Crisis on Infinite Earths came around. That series had a real point -- to consolidate the DC Universe once and for all, to avoid the obligatory two panels in Justice Society, in Infinity Inc., in Freedom Fighters, in SHAZAM!, and in a half-dozen other books, explaining that Huntress was the daughter of Batman and Catwoman, but not THAT Batman or THAT Catwoman -- and offered the opportunity to reboot important series like Superman (no more Kryptonians, no more Superboy, the Kents were alive...), Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman.
Even then there were ripples. Legion of Superheroes no longer made sense, and it was already in the middle of its own Glorith-induced continuity shift when Crisis struck! Wonder Girl no longer had a sensible origin. Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman were no longer founding members of the Justice Society ... and then Wonder Woman was, again. Those took years to iron out, and they were painful to watch.
Since then, there has been Zero Hour, and Hypertime, and Final Crisis, and Infinite Crisis, and Flashpoint, and now, ... what?
All this serves two purposes: to destroy "system mastery" of being a fan, and to make it possible for writers to spend their entire careers writing for a "maturing" superhero environment.
Let's talk about that second one first. Superman is now always in his first couple years' of heroics. Green Lantern is always learning how to use the ring. Wonder Woman is always marveling at the outside world. You never have to come up with new stories; all you have to do is check to see whether, in this timeline, Bizarro's already been introduced, and if not, introduce him. You remember those Gold Key or Dell comics, which just reprinted the same stories on a 24-issue cycle? (Because they figured that their target audience had a full turnover every two years.) Well, that's where we are now with several DC titles.
The other issue is system mastery. One of the reasons I enjoyed being a comics fan was that the lengthy continuity allowed the writers to have a conversation with us. Little touches here and there allowed us to see more deeply into the characters.
Alan Moore, of course, up-ended this with series like Supreme and Tom Strong, where the entire series was given false backstories (like "flashbacks to when Supreme had a cosmic adventure for several years in the '60s", complete with '60s-style comicbook art). Image's Global Guardians does the same, with a large cat of characters, and a storytelling convention that presumes that we're already familiar with all of them, and have been for years.
Marvel did the same with the retro-origins of Jessica Jones and the Sentry, who'd "been around back when the Fantastic Four were created, and was a mentor to the young Peter Parker."
"You know how it was, when you picked up your first issue of Justice League, and it was issue #104, and there were all these characters, and you didn't really understand who was who, but it was great fun?" Sure, but (1) I also remember picking up JLA #200, and having the satisfaction of seeing characters I'd been reading for the previous 8 years, and (2) even when I started reading, I understood that there *was* a history there, that I could learn about it.
Nowadays, there is no actual history, just the contrivance of one. Continuity is a bugaboo, a thing that gets in the way of telling a story. (How many times has Superman met Billy Batson / Captain Marvel?)
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Ted Kord is teaching ...Isn't Ted Kord dead?
Flashpoint seems to have un-killed him. His dad was seen with Lex Luthor at one point during the Crime Syndicate take over of the world.
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just got a look at a preview of Rebirth #1
The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.
Rucka is on Wonder Woman, and he is going to Fix The Damage. I'm sold!
Also, I'm really glad that DC Comics Bombshells is still going on. If you've never heard of it: it's an alternate timeline book that has the US and USSR jump into WW2 in 1939. It reimagines some of the characters as being of alternate nationalities. It focuses on DC's awesome women, but some of the guys are around in supporting roles (one of them is Hal Jordan, but the artist draws him looking like Kyle Rayner for some reason).
Still not sold? There are plenty of queer characters, characters of colour, comedy, a properly drawn Amanda Waller, drama, action, romance, and John Constantine as a chain smoking, strudel chomping rabbit.
Rucka back on Wonder Woman!? Oh please yes! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. That's certainly one (probably the only) I'll be reading! And you're right. Damage has been done. Azzarello was the worst, but maybe responsibility lies with the New 52 as a whole? And Finch hasn't been able to extricate the book from its quagmire.
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I truly hate damien.
Not true!
You truly hate Joss Whedon.
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I truly hate Post Flashpoint Starfire. We'll see if Rebirth fixes it enough or not.
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I truly hate Post Flashpoint Starfire. We'll see if Rebirth fixes it enough or not.
she was much better in her 12 issue series. Was living in Key West, got a job at an aquarium after kissing a dolphin and gaining their language.
I always thought that was her neatest power
True. That is a pretty interesting power.
Also I too liked her 12 issue series.
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The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.
Has that happened yet?
If so, mind informing me what it is?
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The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.Has that happened yet?
If so, mind informing me what it is?
DC Rebirth #1 comes out next week but a lot sites got an advanced issue to review, so I don't know the full details but apparently
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The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.Has that happened yet?
If so, mind informing me what it is?
DC Rebirth #1 comes out next week but a lot sites got an advanced issue to review, so I don't know the full details but apparently
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Ye gods, that's idiotic. Sadly, about what I expect from DC these days.
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Look on the bright side. It'll only last a couple of years before it's rebooted to DC's sizable canon graveyard.
Given the "success" of Batman vs. Superman, are they still going to do this?
Comic and movie markets have vastly different dynamics, even with the same characters. For movies to succeed, they have to attract an audience far larger and wider scope than the comic book market, whereas comic book readers are very picky about their material.
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Ye gods, that's idiotic. Sadly, about what I expect from DC these days.The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.Has that happened yet?
If so, mind informing me what it is?
DC Rebirth #1 comes out next week but a lot sites got an advanced issue to review, so I don't know the full details but apparently
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Honestly, I don't think that's really that bad. It clarifies some inconsistencies in characterization at least.
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So after you've destroyed the one essential character element of Batman to sell one comic, what do you do next?
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Ye gods, that's idiotic. Sadly, about what I expect from DC these days.The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.Has that happened yet?
If so, mind informing me what it is?
DC Rebirth #1 comes out next week but a lot sites got an advanced issue to review, so I don't know the full details but apparently
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you mean even dumber than the Joker that killed batman's parents, the woman who raised Bruce Wayne who was the mother or the guy who killed batman's parents, or the when batman's parents came back from the grave to say hi?
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Or that every other character and their mother in the entire multiverse is constantly beingresurrectedrebooted"rebirthec", but somehow Batman's parents have to stay dead?
You don't see Jor-El or Lara Jor-El kicking around anywhere, do you?
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you mean even dumber than the Joker that killed batman's parents, the woman who raised Bruce Wayne who was the mother or the guy who killed batman's parents, or the when batman's parents came back from the grave to say hi?Ye gods, that's idiotic. Sadly, about what I expect from DC these days.The Joker reveal is another interesting one. Almost makes sense in a way while being pretty far out there idea in another.Has that happened yet?
If so, mind informing me what it is?
DC Rebirth #1 comes out next week but a lot sites got an advanced issue to review, so I don't know the full details but apparently
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No. It just joins the list of very stupid crap they've thrown into comics over the years.
I...
No, really, I...
*snorts*
Sorry. Let me try again.
*tries desperately not to laugh*
*fails*
Strange.
I thought this was implied in the original work.
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I suppose that's one interpretation. Dr. Manhattan's speech certainly implied that he was going to create a new universe, and I thought the implication is that that universe was ours. I suppose you could read it as "Doctor Manhattan Created The DC Universe," but I feel that the original work loses a lot of its poignancy if Doc just wanted to make a universe based on Republic serials.
From what I understand this is the last comic he'll be writting for a while (and it is getting some really good reviews so far so it seems like a high note to go out on).
WB has called him up to try and fix their DC Movie Universe
Um....Okay...
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It was interesting up to the....reveal.
No. Just NO!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
If Alan Moore had a grave, I think he'd be rolling in it right about now.
so..I'm the only one who thinks this then?
I could have sworn that was the new world/great work/whathaveyou Dr. Manhattan was talking about in the comic.
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Um....Okay...
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It was interesting up to the....reveal.
No. Just NO!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
If Alan Moore had a grave, I think he'd be rolling in it right about now.
so..I'm the only one who thinks this then?
I could have sworn that was the new world/great work/whathaveyou Dr. Manhattan was talking about in the comic.
If we were talking about Grant Morrison, I could totally see that. Moore, however? No. I think that's the last thing he was considering. His only mistake was not being very explicit and having Manhattan say 'I'm going to create a universe that is in no way the same as the DC Comics Universe."
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Although to be honest, I think Moore does that anytime DC does anything nowadays, or at least the closest equivalent.Um....Okay...
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It was interesting up to the....reveal.
No. Just NO!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
If Alan Moore had a grave, I think he'd be rolling in it right about now.
This is very true.
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In the original Watchmen?
Creating life, certainly. Though I thought of it more as "Going to barren planet and creating new life there", rather than "Creating new universe".
Specifically creating the DC universe? Never crossed my mind. I'd be shocked if that's what Alan Moore had meant.
That's how I saw it as well... Never even imagined it creating an actual universe, much less the DC comics universe.
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I find it interesting and potentially worth reading. That one of the characters from the first 'real' grimdark deconstruction is responsible for the grimdark DC is poetic to me. That is gives us Wally back, even if we have to deal with GunLantern and deviate from Earth 19's aqualad is a worthy trade off. That we have new Titans as a result is a bonus.
As to what Alan Moore thinks.... I rate his opinion on what to do with Watchman characters about s highly as I rate Liefield's views on Shatterstar. Less, since he doesn't have a leg to stand on *cough*LXG*cough*