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Johnny_Devo |
![Silver Dragon](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/SilverDragon.jpg)
A gunslinger, a bard, or a caster. They work decent (not great) for rogues once you get Dex to damage.
Kobolds make pretty good bards, though, thanks to the Jester alternate trait.
I knew you would have a quick answer for this.
Do you just stalk the forums for kobold threads? :P
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Machaeus |
Maybe he means Pun-Pun.
Either way, I've always liked the idea of a kobold barbarian, and actually this can work. It's not going to be great, but it can work decently, mechanically speaking. That bonus to attack and damage will offset the huge Strength penalty, and the improved Dexterity, natural armor, and Size bonuses will offset the raging-lowers-AC problem. Using the Unchained barbarian means he doesn't drop when he gets out of rage, too.
The main appeal for me is seeing the party run screaming as the kobold cuts the half-orc's leg in half with a good battleaxe chop, screaming Draconic obscenities at his foes all the while.
Or her. Xena: Warrior Princess: Kobold Edition XD
EDIT: Another option, if your GM is willing to greenlight the Talented Barbarian, is that one of their rage-based abilities they can choose allows them to put a +4 to an ability score in ANY physical score once the rage starts - say, in Dexterity. Cold Fury could make that kobold damn near impossible to hit without having a level over him!
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Kobold Catgirl |
![Kobold](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/kobold.jpg)
I'm familiar with the 3.5 version, which did require you be a kobold. That's arguably the more well-known one.
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Hark |
![Ezren](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/05-Consumed_By_Beetle1.jpg)
I'm familiar with the 3.5 version, which did require you be a kobold. That's arguably the more well-known one.
I'm not going to have a huge tangent about it, but here is a slightly more complete history at 1d4chan
As I recall they reliably got the Psion levels required down to 8 before delving into more exotic builds like the one you posted. Depending on how certain rules were interpreted the Pun Pun build could be achieve by any Race/Class combination assuming you could succeed at a high enough Knowledge Check. This would let you know that the Demon Prince Pazuzu could be summoned by repeating his name three times and he would reward you with a Wish that could be used to set off a complex chain of events that allowed you to achieve the Pun Pun power in under 10 rounds.
But as I said before the Original Pun Pun was a Psion.
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Pixie, the Leng Queen |
![Sarpini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9529-Sarpini.jpg)
Saldiven wrote:Not optimal, but very very playable.Hehe.
Natural attack focused Barbarian/Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple.
Mini-dragon.
Probably not super min-maxed effective, but cool nonetheless.
Why not oracle?
Oracle meshes beyyer due to larger BAB and HD and a Battle Oracle Barbarian Dragon Disciple would be funny.
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Saldiven |
alexd1976 wrote:Saldiven wrote:Not optimal, but very very playable.Hehe.
Natural attack focused Barbarian/Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple.
Mini-dragon.
Probably not super min-maxed effective, but cool nonetheless.
Why not oracle?
Oracle meshes beyyer due to larger BAB and HD and a Battle Oracle Barbarian Dragon Disciple would be funny.
Oracle uses divine spells, not Arcane, which is a requirement for Dragon Disciple, so cannot be used as the spell casting class qualification for Dragon Disciple (unless there's some weird option out there that lets them count as Arcane casters).
Oracle would be strictly worse than something like Barbarian or Paladin for martial levels for DD for several reasons. Firstly, Oracle is 3/4 BAB instead of full BAB. Also, the Oracle curse would not advance at all until sometime after character level 15, the same for all the other Oracle abilities. So, there would be little to no benefit from 2-3 levels of Oracle, as compared to Barbarian (Rage, Fast Movement, and a Rage Power) or Paladin (Smite, Cha to Saves, Lay on Hands, and a Mercy).
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Saldiven |
There is such a feat...
Interesting.
But, unless there has been some clarification, it's still a bad idea to go with Oracle into DD.
The Dragon Disciple rules state that the Draconic bloodline powers for existing Sorcerer levels advance as you advance in the DD prestige class. Scaled Disciple states that your spontaneous divine spell casting advances as Dragon Disciple levels advance, but there is nothing that indicates any of the other Oracle abilities advance as DD goes up. You get Draconic Bloodline powers, but at a delayed pace relative to a character who had previous Draconic Sorcerer levels.
The Oracle would be stuck with the level 2-3 Oracle curse effect and a couple of the low level Revelations that haven't advanced. He'd have roughly 1 BAB higher than a Sorcerer/Martial mix, and a slower advancement of the Draconic bloodline abilities.
If Scaled Disciple allowed the Oracle Mystery to advance the same way that it allowed the Sorcerer Bloodline to advance, it would probably be an awesome option. Advancing simultaneously in both a Mystery and the Draconic Bloodline from DD would open up a lot of interesting stuff.
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Pixie, the Leng Queen |
![Sarpini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9529-Sarpini.jpg)
Aleron wrote:There is such a feat...Interesting.
But, unless there has been some clarification, it's still a bad idea to go with Oracle into DD.
The Dragon Disciple rules state that the Draconic bloodline powers for existing Sorcerer levels advance as you advance in the DD prestige class. Scaled Disciple states that your spontaneous divine spell casting advances as Dragon Disciple levels advance, but there is nothing that indicates any of the other Oracle abilities advance as DD goes up. You get Draconic Bloodline powers, but at a delayed pace relative to a character who had previous Draconic Sorcerer levels.
The Oracle would be stuck with the level 2-3 Oracle curse effect and a couple of the low level Revelations that haven't advanced. He'd have roughly 1 BAB higher than a Sorcerer/Martial mix, and a slower advancement of the Draconic bloodline abilities.
If Scaled Disciple allowed the Oracle Mystery to advance the same way that it allowed the Sorcerer Bloodline to advance, it would probably be an awesome option. Advancing simultaneously in both a Mystery and the Draconic Bloodline from DD would open up a lot of interesting stuff.
Your curse still advances. If you read.curses they still advance just slpwer. Which is why single level dips for barbs are awesome
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Abrisene |
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Hark wrote:In honor of the greatest Kobold of all time the only right and proper class for a Kobold would be a Psion. If you're not into 3pp, I guess you could try the psychic....that kobold's name wouldn't be Billy, would it?
The greatest kobold's name is Tucker.
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SheepishEidolon |
![Ramidreju](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1133-Ramidreju_500.jpeg)
Kobold fighter has basically a light version of sneak attack as FCB. Combine that with bite attack, tail attack and two short swords and over the course of levels (and feats), you will teach your opponents the horror of the 1d4.
Speaking of horror: The Frightener alternative racial trait sounds like fun too. Let those big people run in fear!
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Wolin |
![Gnoll Slaver](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9081-Gnoll_90.jpeg)
Depending on what you GM will allow you to take...
1: Draconic Aspect
2: Draconic Breath
3: Noxious Bite
Just pick up the alternate racial trait that gives you a bite attack and you're set. That combo is nasty! A definite must for any melee kobolds. Druid might not be a bad choice for that, but going for fighter or barbarian to maximise your chances of getting that bite to hit isn't a bad idea either.