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The adamantine wire saw can even cut through adamantine - it's effective against hardness up to and including 20, instead of below 20 like an adamantine weapon....but for some reason it can still only be used 5 times before you need to replace it(it says the replacement cost yet specifies no extra uses).... it seems kind of brittle for adamantine.
Genuine imitation adamantine?
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Figures... its probably just adamantine tipped. Those cheap sons of b*tches.
XD
Just cast mend on the wire. I agree though, either the wire is out of line with adamantine items, we're interpreting adamantine incorrectly, or adamantine tools have different rules than adamantine weapons.
Either the wire is out of line with adamantine items, we're interpreting adamantine incorrectly, or adamantine tools have different rules than adamantine weapons.
I wouldn't go looking for logical consistency. The gauntlets that come with adamantine armor - are they usable as adamantine weapons? If so, what do I have left if I sell them? If not, what are they made of? Do the knees of my adamantine platemail penetrate DR if I knee a golem in the groin? Why can't you re-use adamantine sling bullets? Do they just sink into the floor and become irretrievable?
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This actually seems consistent with other spells...
Think about how you can't cast raise dead, resurrection or even True Ressurection on someone who died due to old age.
So, 'Mending' and 'Make Whole' can bring items back to full intact state if they were broken (through magic or mundane means) before their natural life ended... however, if they are simply worn out... then no - they cannot be brought back.
Didn't you know? Adamantine ore is already shaped as armors, weapons and tools.
The serious mechanical answer is that if you can deal 42 Fire damage or more at once you can melt it.
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Fine.
Buying an Adamantine ice cream scoop - for tunnelling with.
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You guys realise that admantine daggers treat stone as hard as paper right?You realize that paper that's actually as thick as a stone wall would be SUBSTANTIALLY tougher than a single sheet, right?
Except it would have 0 hardness and only so much HP. There are rules for this.
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Adamantine dagger vs. Stone walls is just an expensive piton... real useful for climbers if they have two as they could then climb perfectly smooth walls wolverine style... you occasionally see wolverine slash through thin metal doors and walls but you don't see him being used as an excavator or tunnel boring machine...
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Addendum to last: punching adamantine daggers through stone still requires great strength (or to be an unchained rogue 3 with finesse training: dagger)
Try pushing a nail through wood with your thumb or try embedding a large steel knife in a log... cutting a tree with an axe is a heart attack risk factor if I've ever seen one...
You realize that paper that's actually as thick as a stone wall would be SUBSTANTIALLY tougher than a single sheet, right?Except it would have 0 hardness and only so much HP. There are rules for this.
A sheet of paper has hardness 0 and 1 hit point. A 100-page spellbook has hardness 5, hp 10. It does not have hardness 0 and 100 hit points.
Combined materials may have different properties from their component parts.
If you can dig out of prison with a spoon, imagine how much more quickly you could do it with an adamantine dagger.Thanks for validating my point.
I can corroborate digging out of prison with a spoon. My grandfather did this to escape a Communist prison camp in the 40s.
Addendum to last: punching adamantine daggers through stone still requires great strength (or to be an unchained rogue 3 with finesse training: dagger)
Try pushing a nail through wood with your thumb or try embedding a large steel knife in a log... cutting a tree with an axe is a heart attack risk factor if I've ever seen one...
Wood has hardness, which resists. Punching adamantine daggers through stone walls is more like trying to push a nail through flesh or embedding a steel knife in someones torso.
You realize that paper that's actually as thick as a stone wall would be SUBSTANTIALLY tougher than a single sheet, right?Except it would have 0 hardness and only so much HP. There are rules for this.A sheet of paper has hardness 0 and 1 hit point. A 100-page spellbook has hardness 5, hp 10. It does not have hardness 0 and 100 hit points.
Combined materials may have different properties from their component parts.
But the spellbook is an Hardcover
Because of the layering, a five foot roll of paper would have WAY more hit points then a comparative volume of wood, as well. As well as picking up a hardness rating.
Start layering pretty much anything and you can pick up a lot of strength and durability in different directions. An old professor of mine noted how he was working for a company that figured out how to overlay polymers and metals in three different directions, vastly increasing the strength of the material. They were intending it for use on airplane wings. However, it lose so much flexibility with the strength gain that they ended up not being able to find a use for it, and it's sitting somewhere in the company archives, unused.
==Aelryinth
I would like to point out that using a wire saw to remove a door does NOT necessarily bypass traps on the door and lock, which will probably get triggered when you take the door apart.
It will get around the lock, however!
==Aelryinth
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Wood has hardness, which resists. Punching adamantine daggers through stone walls is more like trying to push a nail through flesh or embedding a steel knife in someones torso.Addendum to last: punching adamantine daggers through stone still requires great strength (or to be an unchained rogue 3 with finesse training: dagger)
Try pushing a nail through wood with your thumb or try embedding a large steel knife in a log... cutting a tree with an axe is a heart attack risk factor if I've ever seen one...
the problem with adamantine is that that it has this weird game mechanic of ignoring 20 points of hardness... this is an imperfect simplification that results in weird interpretations. It's still an object that occupies time and space so if you want to displace another object with it you still need mass and acceleration. It's not a lightsaber.
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Ok, so let's go with the assumption that the core rules will remain the same and that we will not get an "unchained adamantine" in a later book... :)
With that assumption in mind, one could still apply the "ineffective weapon" clause from the core rules:
"Ineffective Weapons: Certain weapons just can't effectively deal damage to certain objects. For example, a bludgeoning weapon cannot be used to damage a rope. Likewise, most melee weapons have little effect on stone walls and doors, unless they are designed for breaking up stone, such as a pick or hammer."
I'm gonna go ahead and rule that in my game, anyhow. Regardless of the base material of a dagger, it's still just a dagger. At best I'll allow a resourceful party the benefit of the doubt and use an adamantine dagger as a "sink anywhere" piton upon which they can safely tie a rope for climbing... they could also use it to extract the eye gems of a big statue, for example. Maybe they can also use it to engrave stone walls with markers or crude art.
But don't come to me and ask to be the equivalent of a jackhammer/excavator/crusher/screener mobile stone processing plant... daggers are just not designed to do that. Adamantine spoons could maybe shorten your tunneling/escape attempts by 25% if I'm in a good mood (note: digging faster also means you have to hide the broken dirt/stone faster... watch Shawshank Redemption for details... ;) )
We've been around that lap already. We have two camps, one that agrees that the weapon should be designed to move stone in order to dig through it regardless of composition, and another camp that believes that the ability to bypass hardness makes any object automatically an appropriate excavating tool. I'm personally in the first camp, but think the second camp has its merits as well.
Mostly, I'm inclined to believe that rules for creating a tunnel wouldn't be based on the rules for killing things, but then why would we need HP for environment were that the case.
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If the second camp's argument can hold weight with a diminutive or fine creature wielding a diminutive or fine adamantine dagger, it would help. However it does not. By extension it would imply that one atom of adamantine (or smallest cristalline matrix of adamantine possible) could in theory be used to unravel unlimited amounts of steel or stone. If you want to ignore hardness of stone in my game bring a pick or hammer. Even then the pick or hammer will need replacement after a few decades (as opposed to their steel versions which need replacement after a few years). Every time you strike two objects together you lose atoms on both sides. Why is your kitchen knife getting dull after a few years of use on soft ripe tomatoes and wooden cutting boards?
Well, similarly, you could have a typical pick or hammer of fine size (appropriate weapons) and I think you could argue for there to be similar amounts of questionable with taking down a wall or whatnot.
Scaling the rules up or down doesn't work too well in general anyway.
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Why is your kitchen knife getting dull after a few years of use on soft ripe tomatoes and wooden cutting boards?
Why can my barbarian destroy someone's breastplate with a single blow of his rapier, and without damaging the rapier in any way? The problem here is that both sides are trying to apply common sense to a rule set that can't possibly be complicated enough to simulate reality, and to a substance that behaves like nothing in nature.
Why is your kitchen knife getting dull after a few years of use on soft ripe tomatoes and wooden cutting boards?Why can my barbarian destroy someone's breastplate with a single blow of his rapier, and without damaging the rapier in any way? The problem here is that both sides are trying to apply common sense to a rule set that can't possibly be complicated enough to simulate reality, and to a substance that behaves like nothing in nature.
Funnier still, how can you do non-lethal with that same rapier? :)
With damaging objects already being poorly modeled in the game mechanics, I don't think it's wise to combine it with Pathfinder's equally screwy mechanics for creatures smaller than small.
Still, having seen what a rat can do to concrete with it's teeth, I wouldn't give one adamantine dentures.
Funnier still, how can you do non-lethal with that same rapier? :)Why is your kitchen knife getting dull after a few years of use on soft ripe tomatoes and wooden cutting boards?Why can my barbarian destroy someone's breastplate with a single blow of his rapier, and without damaging the rapier in any way? The problem here is that both sides are trying to apply common sense to a rule set that can't possibly be complicated enough to simulate reality, and to a substance that behaves like nothing in nature.
Pommel.
Pommel.Funnier still, how can you do non-lethal with that same rapier? :)Why is your kitchen knife getting dull after a few years of use on soft ripe tomatoes and wooden cutting boards?Why can my barbarian destroy someone's breastplate with a single blow of his rapier, and without damaging the rapier in any way? The problem here is that both sides are trying to apply common sense to a rule set that can't possibly be complicated enough to simulate reality, and to a substance that behaves like nothing in nature.
But it's still piercing damage. ;)
You just have to stab them in the non-vital parts. Like the way a bullet in the shoulder can't kill a cowboy.
You just have to stab them in the non-vital parts. Like the way a bullet in the shoulder can't kill a cowboy.
Ha ha true dat.
I'm gonna go ahead and rule [ineffective weapons] in my game, anyhow. Regardless of the base material of a dagger, it's still just a dagger. At best I'll allow a resourceful party the benefit of the doubt and use an adamantine dagger as a "sink anywhere" piton upon which they can safely tie a rope for climbing... they could also use it to extract the eye gems of a big statue, for example. Maybe they can also use it to engrave stone walls with markers or crude art.
I agree, and will do the same.
If I may be a bit impertinent, it's likely that those suggesting tunneling with a dagger have never, for example, dug a hole or ditch (or grave), hewn stone with a pickaxe, or even trenched a sprinkler system, or any other digging/mining work, using hand tools. Even in soft clay and with tools designed for the job it's not easy or fast. Straightforward, yes, but definitely not fast.