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Except witches get read magic, at least on the PRD that the interwebs show me.
Man, I'd be pretty pissed at myself if I wrote a big wall of text about something like a class not getting something they actually get.
MathNerd is probably reading the Core Rulebook PRD entry on Read Magic which doesn't include non-core classes.
MathNerd, check out the main Witch page PRD entry from the Advanced Players Guide.
Or even the last witch page in the Advanced Players Guide book if that's what you're referencing.
The first link is to the idea of witches not being able to cast certain spells because they are divine spells. It makes no mention of read magic not being on the list. In any event witches do get read magic.
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MathNerd is probably reading the Core Rulebook PRD entry on Read Magic which doesn't include non-core classes.
Yeah, that was my guess.
In case anyone is wondering, the reason non-core classes don't appear in the spell entry for read magic is that everything on the PRD is intended to appear exactly as it does in the printed books. Since the core rulebook predates the Witch base class, it doesn't mention the witch in any of its spell entries.
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Looking at the OP's profile, it seems that typing a "wall of text" is their style.
If you're still reading this, MathNerd, may I make a suggestion?
There's a place under the comment box below labeled "How to format your text". I encourage you, going forward, to post your links according to that format.
If you check your original post now, you'll see that most (if not all) of your links are broken. Paizo breaks them up in an attempt to curtail spam.
Posting them as guided below fixes that (and makes it easier for others to follow your links).
If you use Paizo's official PRD, you'll run into issues around the fact that Paizo does not adjust that document when they release new rules.
So, Paizo's read magic doesn't say it is on the Witch spell list (even though it is) because that page dates from before the Witch was published and it has never been updated.
The same is true for all the spells the Witch gets in the core rulebook. For example, bestow curse doesn't say a word about witches either, even though as of the Advanced Players Guide, it was put on the witch spell list.
For up to date spell pages, d20pfSRD is better. They can be slow - for instance, that page doesn't reflect the ACG's Shaman yet - but they do work to reflect newer books on older pages.
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Please tell me I'm wrong
No problem, you're wrong. :)
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I'd recommend Archive of Nethys over D20pfsrd. They have less mistakes and less instances of editing the words in the book for "clarity".
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It's disappointing to see how many people are taking the time to post here just to pile on someone who made a simple mistake. Some posts here are useful and genuinely try to address the OP and improve the discussion, but some are just jabs to make fun of him.
We all make mistakes people; there's no need to be a jerk. Simply point the mistake and move on to address other parts of the OP's question.
I *have* noticed, when playing alongside people with a witch PC, that the resulting party does seem to be missing "something" compared to when a sorcerer or wizard would join the table. Maybe it's due to their spell list in part. I just don't get the sense that they are meant to replace wizards in any way, and those tables that forego the said wizard because someone is playing a witch... well... we all soon realize you then lack the utility a wizard brings to the game (i.e. most adventures are written with some basic assumptions that most party have X by time Y, which may not work well if a party brought alternate caster types)
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Oh man.
This guy sure did go through a lot of trouble writing a long post for nothing.
Let's keep commenting on it so that his shame will never die!
Hex Vulnerability
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/h/hex-vulnerability
How on earth can you buy a scroll of this? By all the laws of logic such things should not exist.
Aside from the error already pointed out, this is also a shaman spell, who also do indeed have read magic on their spell list.
It actually might be simpler to have a list of casters who don't have read magic on their spell list.
• alchemist
• bloodrager
• investigator
And... that's it. Also, the alchemist and investigator aren't technically spellcasters.
Even if witches didn't get read magic, nothing is stopping them from deciphering a scroll with a Spellcraft check.
If you use Paizo's official PRD, you'll run into issues around the fact that Paizo does not adjust that document when they release new rules.
So, Paizo's read magic doesn't say it is on the Witch spell list (even though it is) because that page dates from before the Witch was published and it has never been updated.
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That said, this means that looking on Paizo's PRD could cause confusion (say you clicked on Read Magic in the Witch's spell list on the Witch page, you would see the Witch not listed there -- at that point you would probably remember that the Witch actually had it, but if you were then looking up a bunch of other stuff, and then came back to Read Magic to double-check something, and forgot how you originally got there, you could honestly get the Original Poster's impression. I use for most lookups of stuff, because it is a LOT easier to navigate, and then go to [url=http://www.archivesofnethys.com/]Archives of Nethys if I can't find something on there or think it has been altered, which is usually for legal reasons because d20pfsrd.com is an e-commerce portal and Archives of Nethys isn't, not because the d20pfsrd.com were trying to get fancy with "clarity" or something, and is usually applied to stuff that is specific to the Pathfinder Campaign Setting and Adventure Paths. When I don't need Archives of Nethys for the latter reason, I usually stick with d20pfsrd.com because it is easier to read (why does Archives of Nethys have to use thin grey characters on a black background? -- and a lot of other sites do similar or worse, such as dark blue on really dark blue), except when d20pfsrd.com has a table that won't scroll horizontally (some kind of bug, because most of them work right).
People actually prep Read Magic? I almost threw it in as a candidate in another thread titled "List of Useless spells."
People actually prep Read Magic? I almost threw it in as a candidate in another thread titled "List of Useless spells."
They do if they want to use Scrolls. Or copy spells from another spellbook.
Or at low levels, where it's totally possible to fail spellcraft checks. Even wizards and witches don't auto pass checks that start at DC 20 + spell level while they're low level goobers.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/readMagic.html
There it is. XD Thanks. And Paizo, an edit function... would be nice, or maybe at least the ability to 'spoiler' after the fact. Also, something is horrifyingly wrong with the fact that someone said "if you're still reading this thread." Everyone should be able to easily find every thread they have posted in on their profile page. (This is typical in most forums.)
if i undestand your last request i think it is also possible. Just click on your name and you will go to your page, there you click threath and voila, there you are.
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Paizo, an edit function... would be nice
There is an "Edit" function. You simply have a one hour window to use it.
If you want them to change that, you can make a petition in the "Website Feedback" forum.
or maybe at least the ability to 'spoiler' after the fact.
That's what the "Needs Spoiler Tag" flag is for.
It may not be spoilered immediately, but it will be eventually.
something is horrifyingly wrong with the fact that someone said "if you're still reading this thread."
That was I.
My post was pretty far down the list, and many people had already answered your query, so there was a chance you may have had no reason to read further.
And you still didn't read my comment very thoroughly, either =P