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Evil? No. A little weird? Sure, particularly for bring up in a game at the local game store. It's not every player who wants passersby to label him a pervert for having a sex toy be a prominent aspect of his character.
There was once a player I knew who had a superhero character named Phallus. He had growing powers that, ahem, didn't always work, especially around women he found attractive. But at least we were playing in private and not in a game store.
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bwahhahaha XD i cant stop luaghing imagining this game going on, not evil but super wierd lol i can just imagine peoples faces at that game store lmao
edit: haha just thought of something else lol once the deed is done and the summoner falls asleep she goes poof lol man this is just funny lol and now we know the chaacter class Barney Stintson from how i met your mother would pick ;3 lol
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There's nothing evil about sleeping with a do-it-yourself magical outsider waifu as long as they're consenting.
It makes the internet just a little more weird, but it's not evil.
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Seems inappropriate in a public venue, or at very least in poor taste, but I wouldn't consider it evil.
I don't think there needs to be a single relationship between the two that covers all cases.
Taking a few examples:
* It could be an arrangement where both parties see it as beneficial. The summoned is getting easy access to a plane they normally couldn't visit and immunity to those pesky magical circles. The summoner is getting the aid of an extra-planar ally.
* It could be an arrangement where both parties see themselves as exploiting the other. The summoned is building power through the summoner. The summoner is getting some extra-planar entity to given them easy access to power. In this case, it is likely that the summoned will come out better than the summoner.
* It could be a contractual arrangement, perhaps passed down through several generations. Some distant relative of the summoner did a great service to an extra-planar entity and since that time by contract the family has been allowed to call on the services of a minor flunky.
* It could be a contractual arrangement forced on some extra-planar entity.
The alignment of the eidolon matches the alignment of the character. That just about guarantees that the relationship is going to be different. A chaotic summoner isn't likely to have a binding contract, for one thing.
A summooner and his abilities are intimately intertwined with his Eidolon. Your guy is just taking this both figuratively and literally. Weird? Probably. Evil? I'd go with no.
If it creeps you out, tell the *player* to tone it down, or boot him (I'm assuming you're the DM?). He isn't a regular, so why tolerate it? If it's not a big deal, roll with it.
Seems inappropriate in a public venue, or at very least in poor taste, but I wouldn't consider it evil.
I don't think there needs to be a single relationship between the two that covers all cases.
Taking a few examples:
* It could be an arrangement where both parties see it as beneficial. The summoned is getting easy access to a plane they normally couldn't visit and immunity to those pesky magical circles. The summoner is getting the aid of an extra-planar ally.
* It could be an arrangement where both parties see themselves as exploiting the other. The summoned is building power through the summoner. The summoner is getting some extra-planar entity to given them easy access to power. In this case, it is likely that the summoned will come out better than the summoner.
* It could be a contractual arrangement, perhaps passed down through several generations. Some distant relative of the summoner did a great service to an extra-planar entity and since that time by contract the family has been allowed to call on the services of a minor flunky.
* It could be a contractual arrangement forced on some extra-planar entity.The alignment of the eidolon matches the alignment of the character. That just about guarantees that the relationship is going to be different. A chaotic summoner isn't likely to have a binding contract, for one thing.
You didn't read his post, did you?
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One could question whether the eidolon was capable of giving consent. If it has to obey, then consent is impossible.
The nature of eidolons outside of being a class feature is undeveloped as far as I know, but since it doesn't imply that just having an eidolon (effectively slavery) is evil, one must assume that they don't really exist as independent free willed creature or they have some choice in accepting being bound to a summoner. That being the case, it might would be more the moral equivalent of using an inanimate object for pleasure or that consent has indeed been given.
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I joined a game at a local game store with some player not in my regular group and one was playing a summoner who had a fey type Eidolon, described as an female elf with wings or a large pixie. I thought nothing of it until night when we made camp and The summoner brought his Eidolon into his tent and he had it sleep with him.
So is having sex with a humanoid looking Eidolon Ok, evil, or maybe just a little weird?
Weird yes, evil no. Could be worse.
At least it's attractive and nominally female. It could be an animal companion.
You didn't read his post, did you?
Actually, I did. Evidently I didn't get across my point.
First line stated that it wasn't evil, just in poor taste.
The rest was to point out that not all relationships would be the same. It isn't going to always be a D/s relationship. I tried to explain that without going into the sexual portion of the relationship that the player talked about was emphasising.
If the GM gives the player absolute control over his eidolon, then it becomes an extension of the player and thus always consents because it's him.
If the GM provides dialogue for the eidolon and/or indicates that it is a separate being, then it is effectively an NPC and must provide consent (use this option if you want the session to transform into an ethics debate).
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Evil, no it's not evil.
Wierd? Definitely. In character it seems a little off, outside of the game if he is trying to imply that he (thorugh his character) has sexual relations with his eidolon then that is definitely weird.
But worse than that really, is that it is immature and inappropriate. As a general rule, the public does not care about your sexual fantasies and do not what to be exposed to them.
More than anything else, it's simply inappropriate.
Of course, I am quesitoning whether "sleep with him" actually means the player implied sexual congress or whether they meant it in the more literal sense.
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In a public game: Seems kinda 'squicky'
Final judgement is reserved to the amount if detail he went into. If the character kept it tasteful and like a 'fade to black' allusion to intimate relations it might be less weird. Though if he went into anything past PG-13, then it is wildly inappropriate.
In a private game: Whatever the group is up for. But my tastes are more towards the "If it happens, fine, but we don't need/want details."
It's only slightly more weird than a character who gets married in-game and/or has relations with their cohort.
But, to get back on point, no. I wouldn't say it was {i]evil[/i].
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
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I have a character in a homebrew game who is married to his eidolon, and they have an Aasimar daughter together. Eidolons can have personality and individuality of their own. They're not mindless automatons.
Of course, I'm not going to make sex jokes about it at a game with it. That's just dumb.
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I actually had this debate with myself when I was conceptualizing my current Summoner/Eidolon duo. Along with that, I asked myself about the nature of the relationship between Summoner and Eidolon, as it's left somewhat vague by the class description in APG. (Something that I greatly appreciate for the sake of freedom in character development, even if it means that different PFS DMs will have different interpretations)
To me, the dynamic between the two can be as personal and intimate as you'd like. Even at a 'chaste' level, we have a magical creature that is forever bound to a Summoner. The Summoner develops and shapes the Eidolon to their needs, while the aesthetics can vary depending on their own personality. The class even mentions that the two join their souls together. The Eidolon's alignment is tied to the Summoner's as well.
Evolutions are the most interesting part of this. Imagine if you're involved with a traveling partner, bonded to them, and presumably trust them. Imagine if you are functionally immortal so long as they draw breath. And imagine that as they grow in power, they can shape your body, and through that your very identity.
Anyway, others in this thread have brought up some good points, but in the end I'd say it depends on the relationship between the Summoner and the Eidolon, and more importantly, the Eidolon as a sentient being. I tend to roleplay my Eidolon as her own person, to the point where she even has "old married couple" arguments with her Summoner from time to time. But if the Eidolon's played more like a beefed up Summon Monster spell with a permanent duration, then yes it's a little bit weird.
Assuming consent is mutual, then at worst it's just a needless bit of self-indulgence on the part of the player that can be ignored.
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* It could be a contractual arrangement, perhaps passed down through several generations. Some distant relative of the summoner did a great service to an extra-planar entity and since that time by contract the family has been allowed to call on the services of a minor flunky.
An interesting take on this one- given that we are talking about Fey, and the first world does not really have true death (everything just comes back a while later), what if the Eidolon does not even realize that it is serving different summoners. What if it thinks of this family as a single person due to their shared power/bloodlines that holds sway over it? What if it just thinks of aging as something they do routinely before changing their appearance?
Thus, if it thinks all those people are the same one....well, a creepy and inappropriate ancestor could cause some...... embarrassing situation. "Damn it dad, I did not need to find out about the whips".
But yeah, if this is something you are personally uncomfortable with, you should ask the player to tone it down. He can have a relationship with his eidolon, but he doesn't have to go into the details if it disturbs people. Just fade to black and scene transition, and let us just imagine the rest man.
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Fey eidolon? Look, if you're going to be sleeping with your eidolon and you don't give it tentacle evolutions, I don't even know why you bother.
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Tentacle Eidolon?
I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
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Fey eidolon? Look, if you're going to be sleeping with your eidolon and you don't give it tentacle evolutions, I don't even know why you bother.
Tentacles? Weaksauce. You do not have anywhere enough imagination when looking at the evo list.
I will not add any explanations.
I have a character in a homebrew game who is married to his eidolon, and they have an Aasimar daughter together. Eidolons can have personality and individuality of their own. They're not mindless automatons.
Of course, I'm not going to make sex jokes about it at a game with it. That's just dumb.
Yeah, there's a difference in level between saying that you're in a romantic relationship with your eidolon and feeling the need to point out to the table that you're totally boning her when you make camp.
I probably wouldn't be comfortable with this guy at my table. I certainly cannot pretend that I don't make sexual jokes during a game, but that is with my own group where I know everyone there is fine with that. There's a certain level of decorum you need to meet in a public setting and this guy missed it big time.
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Fey eidolon? Look, if you're going to be sleeping with your eidolon and you don't give it tentacle evolutions, I don't even know why you bother.Tentacles? Weaksauce. You do not have anywhere enough imagination when looking at the evo list.
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... I hate you. I hate you for making me come up with my own Fan Disservice. Well played, sir.
I vote weird and immature (on the player's part). Doesn't matter if it's an Eidolon, cohort, ally, or whatever.
Granted, I had a Tengu summoner with an attractive Djinn-like Eidolon (built as a skill monkey so as to not step on Martial PC's toes). The joke is that every mage needs a lovely assistant, and the pair acted platonically or like close friends rather than indulge in any immature themes.
Morphling's example would be a good example of how it's done. Playing a James Bond / Jane Bond type character that loves them and leaves them - not something to do in a game store / public eye. Might not even be good at some group's home games. It's best to keep public games as "general audience" as possible in public.
Does it have the "bow-chika-wow-wow" evolution? Otherwise, like other eidolons, it sort of looks like a regular creature, but isn't. Can we even define eidolons as male/female? They feel gender neutral.
Concerning that player, it looks like he wants to shock people for the reaction; essentially a troll.
As for the PC, the eidolon might be just as horny as the summoner... or not; there's nor real answer. The summoner is the least common class in the setting, so the very existence of eidolons already must freak out a lot of people; so from other PCs view it could range from "true love" to "this is as wrong as the paladin getting freaky with his mount times 1d20, better burn them to the stake".
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That depends... did the eidolon have a choice in the matter?
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I think the best part of this thread is how far it has gone down the rabbit hole already. It started with "LOL.. weird" and has degenerated into people reacting like this guy dropped trou right there in the store. For heaven's sakes, we're talking about a game where most of the time you're playing MurderHobos killing dudes for cash. As far as keeping decorum at the game store, let me ask this: did the theoretical little Timmy who was scarred by what seems to be a throwaway line stop to check out the new Punisher comic first, or did he skip all the way to getting flipped off by the goth girl who works the front counter and is always too cool for the people who hang out at the store? Bonus points if he asked the smelly dude what his "The Man, The Legend" t-shirt is referring to.
I joined a game at a local game store with some player not in my regular group and one was playing a summoner who had a fey type Eidolon, described as an female elf with wings or a large pixie. I thought nothing of it until night when we made camp and The summoner brought his Eidolon into his tent and he had it sleep with him.
So is having sex with a humanoid looking Eidolon Ok, evil, or maybe just a little weird?
Hm. Is plucking creatures from their home dimensions by the score and forcing them to fight to the death for you evil?
My favorite thing about Summoners is all the different ways you can flavor the relationship between they and their eidolons. In Skull n Shackles the Summoner was a bit of an outcast whom had been befriended by an elemental spirit who was much the same. She taught him much of what he knew about summoning and, as a result, he exclusively summoned elementals. There was even a bit of fun Tinkerbell-type roleplaying jealousy when he became enamored of a Nereid NPC.
Another time, we had a recurring villain who was a female half-orc/half-elf. Her eidolon was essentially a sort of anthropomorphic demon wolf, one which she had taken as a lover. Added a twisted and perverse flavor and she's still a favorite memory of our group.
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There was a rebuilt cleric of Lamashtu that was turned into a summoner
Her Eidolon was a 'gift' from lamashtu, and all of her summon spells were 'birthed' imagine birthing a litter of fiendish centipedes or lemures
It was super dark and creepy and awesome! I wish I had done it in my campaign.
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
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Fey eidolon? Look, if you're going to be sleeping with your eidolon and you don't give it tentacle evolutions, I don't even know why you bother.
If the summoner has uncast spell slots that include any form of Evolution Surge, all bets are off as to what form the eidolon ends up in.
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There was a rebuilt cleric of Lamashtu that was turned into a summoner ** spoiler omitted **
Her Eidolon was a 'gift' from lamashtu, and all of her summon spells were 'birthed' imagine birthing a litter of fiendish centipedes or lemures
It was super dark and creepy and awesome! I wish I had done it in my campaign.
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
That's actually really cool. Where did you see that?
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I saw it in my rear-view mirror.
I was talking to one of my DM friends, and thought, "wouldn't it be cool if..." and since I had already passed that part in my campaign, he took the idea for his. (With my blessing of course)
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
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Is this the part where we bring up using Polymorph on your Animal Companion to make it Humanoid for the night? Cause I had a player try that one before, too. I decided it was easier to make NPC's for this purpose than allow the players to dream up things with even more squick.
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Always wear protection!
Do you know where your Eidolon has been?
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Is this the part where we bring up using Polymorph on your Animal Companion to make it Humanoid for the night? Cause I had a player try that one before, too. I decided it was easier to make NPC's for this purpose than allow the players to dream up things with even more squick.
You shut it down? Naaa, you should have gone with it.
Then the animal companion is in shock for two days, and things start getting really weird. Basically, they break the companion with their perversity. The druid groves will then have something to say about this. There will be a trial. RP time!
eidolons are sexless and do not have form when not summoned, I don't really know what or if they care, but it's most likely not entertaining for them.
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Bonus points if he asked the smelly dude what his "The Man, The Legend" t-shirt is referring to.What is that reference to?
Edit: Why on earth are people favoriting this? I'm actually asking!
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