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I did not see any feats/equip that nullified the provoking of AoO caused by loading the firearm
Deft Shootist, although the prerequisites are pretty expensive feat-wise.
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Shootist requires (Amatuer Gunslinger -> Extra Grit),
I'm not sure what that means. According to the PRD it requires either the Amateur Gunslinger feat or the Grit class feature. I don't see Extra Grit anywhere in there.
Are you referring to the fact that if you take the Amatuer Gunslinger feat and then take levels in a class that grants grit you exchange Amatuer Gunslinger for Extra Grit?
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[current thought from others] Mike Brock re-visits the ruling he made about a year ago that a weapon dangling from a weapon cord didn't interfere with reloading a (different) firearm.
a big "+1"
I think I'm still in the same camp since post 100.
I'd like to see the "clarification" as, "a sheathed weapon(or firearm) on a weapon cord does not interfere with reloading a different firearm in the other hand, a dangling one does."
I think this is a little more elegant and leaves room for an extra attack but stops the dangling reload. It does not ban weapon cords. It does not create a new rule per se. It doesn't go into "fine manipulation" although it could. I do not support banning weapon cords.
since it seems a yes/no is what is wanted, a retraction of the clarification (effectively a reversal) is good too.
Sheathed. With a 2 foot cord teetering your wrist to the weapon.
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Just curious but what are the rules for Weapon Cords when you're not fighting?
If they're attached during you're day to day stuff I can see the cord getting in your way.
Then there's the question of how long does it take to attach a weapon cord and what does it attach too?
I know this is being knit-picky but if people are going to abuse/cheese out the weapon cord, those are some questions I'd like to see answers too.
Weapon Cord: Weapon cords are 2-foot-long leather straps that attach your weapon to your wrist. If you drop your weapon or are disarmed, you can recover it as a swift action, and it never moves any further away from you than an adjacent square. However, you cannot switch to a different weapon without first untying the cord (a full-round action) or cutting it (a move action or an attack, hardness 0, 0 hp). Unlike a locked gauntlet, you can still use a hand with a weapon cord, though a dangling weapon may interfere with finer actions.
To remove it you have to untie it, so we can assume that to put it up you have to tie it.
Not a problem outside of combat. No rule for the time needed to do that in combat. You can Tie up a pinned opponent with the standard action you use to maintain the grapple, but that seem more like running a few coils of rope around him than making a knot.|
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So you are reloading your muzzle loader keeping it at your hip in combat.
I suppose you are doing it by feeling, as you need to look what is happening around you.
"We just have to assume that the person makes some compensations to avoid a negative modifier."
I fail to see why we should assume something that isn't in the rules and will only help players that like to abuse them.
"tethering", following the spell checker suggestions something give the wrong result.
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So they just updated Weapon Cords in the FAQ:
Weapon Cord: What kind of action is it to recover a weapon attached to your wrist with a weapon cord?
As originally published, this was a swift action. The design team has changed this to a move action. This will be updated in the next printing of Ultimate Equipment.—Pathfinder Design Team, today
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So they just updated Weapon Cords in the FAQ:
Weapon Cord: What kind of action is it to recover a weapon attached to your wrist with a weapon cord?
As originally published, this was a swift action. The design team has changed this to a move action. This will be updated in the next printing of Ultimate Equipment.—Pathfinder Design Team, today
Oh dear...
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I kinda wish that weapon cords had been errata-ed to make the action: a move action or as part of a move action to move (like drawing a weapon in the first place), because this ruling encourages going back to the golf bag approach, but I can see why it's been done this way.
If I was really wishing, I'd ask for a DC 20 Sleight of Hand check to flick a weapon corded weapon back into hand as a swift action (but only if the PC had a move action left), because at the moment it's now quicker to mount a horse than it is to draw a dagger, but this would lead back to the original problem.
Maybe somone can explain this to me, but what is with the hatred of gunslingers in PFS so much. I announced I was playing one and I could swear I heard a groan
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Because the term Gunslinger summons the wrong image of what the class is about, and people don't want western in their fantasy. Terms like Pistolero don't help much either.
Similarly, the class has been seen as exploitable/broken (ie the weapon cord debacle) and it all went downhill for the class public relations.
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It spoils the fun for DMs by making them feel like they can't provide a challenge to the players.Providing a challenge is not the job of the GM and should not be tied to their fun.
For most players, challenge IS part of the fun. Though how much challenge is needed to keep the game enjoyable will vary from player to player.
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For most players, challenge IS part of the fun. Though how much challenge is needed to keep the game enjoyable will vary from player to player.It spoils the fun for DMs by making them feel like they can't provide a challenge to the players.Providing a challenge is not the job of the GM and should not be tied to their fun.
I can't speak to most players (as apparently you can). I only ever speak for myself (and my friends when I know opinion).
I actually have a lot more fun roleplaying my characters personality than being beaten over the head with encounters that have been designed to challenge a super-cheese monkey. In fact I'd say that most of my unfun experiences have come during 'challenging' encounters.
I just wanted to quote this because it seems like very good sense. It doesn't need to be WORSE than drawing a weapon in any situation, having the exact same action so that its compatable with doing for free with a normal Move Action (the Move Move Action, god I hate the contraction of Move-Equivalent Action to Move Action) which still precludes a Full Attack or other Full Round Action.
I kinda wish that weapon cords had been errata-ed to make the action: a move action or as part of a move action to move (like drawing a weapon in the first place), because this ruling encourages going back to the golf bag approach, but I can see why it's been done this way.
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For most players, challenge IS part of the fun. Though how much challenge is needed to keep the game enjoyable will vary from player to player.It spoils the fun for DMs by making them feel like they can't provide a challenge to the players.Providing a challenge is not the job of the GM and should not be tied to their fun.
I have to agree with the above poster. The GM is really supposed to be more of an adjudicator I thikn; the author sets the difficulty. A lot of it is really out of the GMs hands.
The idea of the GM supposed to be providing the challenge seems to lead to "mistakes" or "misread stat blocs" in my experience.
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I doubt it ... it just forces them to buy a monkey belt do do the same thing as beforeWeapon cords are also useful for PC's on mounts or ships - if knocked unconscious it's nice to know the staff I spent 19K for isn't currently sinking to the sea floor...
It's not always about the cheese.
I wonder if I hit reply to the wrong post ... what I Said doesnt even make sense in response to your comment
I remember a report of someone using a Monkey belt to alleviate the need for Weapon Cords reading the Item though I'm not 100% Sure how that was done
thats what I was refering to
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I remember a report of someone using a Monkey belt to alleviate the need for Weapon Cords reading the Item though I'm not 100% Sure how that was done
thats what I was refering to
From monkey belt
and hold or manipulate objects about as well as the wearer’s normal limbs
All you need the extra hand to do is hold the gun so you can reload it, so once you have the tail holding the handle your other hand can reload it while your other hand is holding the other gun.
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I think the change is a game balance appropriate one, and I want to say kudos to the design team as well as PFS leadership for considering the broad array of options and choosing the one that creates the least amount of ripples.
The change allows the item to still be useful without allowing two gun juggling or largely invalidating the disarm maneuver. Well played folks.
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I think the change is a game balance appropriate one, and I want to say kudos to the design team as well as PFS leadership for considering the broad array of options and choosing the one that creates the least amount of ripples.
The change allows the item to still be useful without allowing two gun juggling or largely invalidating the disarm maneuver. Well played folks.
Agreed.
It also gives archers back their free actions (and everyone else who was worried about it). To me, that was the most important goal.