Could you please cite the rule? I am not seeing an ability called "Clustershot"
- Gauss
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Could you please cite the rule? I am not seeing an ability called "Clustershot"
- Gauss
It is actually Clustered Shots.
It is actually Clustered Shots.Could you please cite the rule? I am not seeing an ability called "Clustershot"
- Gauss
I thought that too, at first, but that doesn't say anything about critical damage, which is what the question is about.
Exactly why I didn't think it was Clustered Shots. :)
- Gauss
Again, please cite it. Until you cite it we cannot help you since it appears many of us do not know of this ability.
- Gauss
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There is an elves of golarion item called Cluster Shot Arrows. I dont have the PDF but it seems like the arrow gives you 50% of the crit damage from the first arrow on all subsequent arrows.
If it were me, I'd say that it does not apply to the manyshot arrow, since the manyshot arrows on the first attack are a single attack, but if it crit, it would apply to the remaining arrows you fire as a part of the fullround action.
I thought perhaps he was talking about splintercloud arrows, but those don't mention critical hits at all either. Not certain what the OP is describing as 'clustershot arrow'; I'm not finding anything similar on the SRD.
Thank you for citing it Michael Dannemiller. :)
Clustershot
Aura weak transmutation, CL 5th
Slot none; Price +1 bonus
Description
These arrows are inscribed with a spiral groove down the length of the haft and an eye-glyph on the head. They are designed to maintain accuracy when firing multiple arrows at the same time (such as with the Manyshot feat) by steering their paths toward the impact point of the first arrow. For a clustershot arrow to function, all arrows fired in the attack must have this property.
If the first arrow can deal sneak attack damage or is a critical hit, the remaining arrows from that shot can deal half normal sneak attack damage, and if they critically hit deal half normal critical hit damage.
Elves of Golarion is a 3.5 publication and as such it may be difficult to apply to Pathfinder. So we need to look at the 3.5 rules to see how they differ from Pathfinder rules.
MANYSHOT [GENERAL]
You can fire multiple arrows simultaneously against a nearby target.
Prerequisites: Dex 17, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, base attack bonus +6
Benefit: As a standard action, you may fire two arrows at a single opponent within 30 feet. Both arrows use the same attack roll (with a –4 penalty) to determine success and deal damage normally (but see Special).
For every five points of base attack bonus you have above +6, you may add one additional arrow to this attack, to a maximum of four arrows at a base attack bonus of +16. However, each arrow after the second adds a cumulative –2 penalty on the attack roll (for a total penalty of –6 for three arrows and –8 for four). Damage reduction and other resistances apply separately against each arrow fired.
Special: Regardless of the number of arrows you fire, you apply precision-based damage (such as sneak attack damage) only once. If you score a critical hit, only the first arrow fired deals critical damage; all others deal regular damage.
A fighter may select Manyshot as one of his fighter bonus feats (see page 38).
A 6th-level ranger who has chosen the archery combat style is treated as having Manyshot even if he does not have the prerequisites for it, but only when he is wearing light or no armor (see page 48).
Now, the PF Manyshot is 2 arrows plus iteratives afterwards. How does this compare?
3.5 Manyshot: 2arrows at BAB6-4, 3 at BAB11-6, 4 at BAB16-8 with no haste option.
PF Manyshot: 4arrows at BAB6, 5 at BAB11, 6 at BAB16 with a -2 Rapid Shot penalty for the first 3 arrows and -5 for each arrow thereafter. Can benefit from Haste.
In short, PF Manyshot + Clustershot arrows would be much more powerful on a critical or sneak attack. But, criticals are rare and the times you can perform a full-attack ranged sneak attack is also rare. Meh.
Do Clustershot arrows apply 1/2 of the critical hit/sneak attack damage to the second arrow in a Manyshot?
It appears both 3.5 and PF Manyshot feats have similar phrasing that only the first arrow criticals (or the critical only occurs once). So I would say yes, the magic item works as it did in 3.5 with respect to Manyshot.
- Gauss
From the wording of Clustershot, I'm fairly sure that it would apply the extra crit damage to the second arrow of Manyshot, but not to any other arrows from iterative attacks.
That makes the enchantment much weaker, but that's kind of expected when it hinges on a feat that was changed so significantly.
ZZTRaider, I could see that since the accuracy of subsequent arrows is so much higher. It would increase the damage significantly on the entire sequence if that first attack is a hit.
- Gauss