I know this is a topic that has been done many times over, but with many of the major Pathfinder resources now out there, I want your thoughts.
As Jedi & Sith were recruited from all races, I am not going to focus that aspect, though opinions will be taken under consideration.
This is a "How would you build it?" thread. Please include archetypes, PrC, or any other ideas that you may have.
Also, how to handle the lightsaber?
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A lightsaber is obviously a brilliant energy weapon, maybe with something else to make it concealable.
As a class...I'd be inclined to say Oracle with a custom Mystery seems solid if designing this as a GM, and doable even otherwise. Inquisitor is also a solid choice, especially with the right Domain/Inquisition.
In my games it's basically just Jedi = tweaked Paladins and Sith = tweaked anti-Paladins.
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Make lightsaber a Weapon Finesse using weapon (for all intents and purposes, and Aldori Dueling sword (brilliant energy/conealment). They would be Free Hand Fighters with the Aldori feat chain (+2 AC, can WF) HIGH dex. Very high. From there, transmuter wizard, barred schools conjuration and universal. Mage hand cantrip for sure.
Pick up the Star Wars D20 system and tweak from there. I adapt the noble class from it all the time. The Jedi systems should work fairly well.
That's the cop out answer. I want to know if and how it is possible under Pathfinder rules. NO 3rd PARTY!!!
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Brilliant energy katana for lightsaber and the kensai archetype with a focus on force spells and enhancement arcanas.
That's the cop out answer. I want to know if and how it is possible under Pathfinder rules. NO 3rd PARTY!!!
Sorry, only skimmed your OP. Seriously though, the system is arcane, but works decent well.
As to pathfinder only:
Lightsabers are clearly brilliant weapons.
I'd look at the Magus as a class with a focus on Mage Hand, Unseen Servant, buff spells and I'd let them add some charm spells to their list.
Throw in some Monk dips for the unarmoured AC, arrow deflection and crane style for the "can't be hit" factor. Fluff it so the weapon does the deflecting.
Deflect arrows as a bonus feat somewhere that also can deflect firearms as well as some ranged spells (with some obvious limitations).
Also would look at giving them a throwing/returning on their weapon so they can throw their lightsaber.
What about a Monk Jedi archetype? The lightsaber could be a new monk weapon. I think a lot of what the Monk can do now is Jedi related.
Make lightsaber a Weapon Finesse using weapon (for all intents and purposes, and Aldori Dueling sword (brilliant energy/conealment). They would be Free Hand Fighters with the Aldori feat chain (+2 AC, can WF) HIGH dex. Very high. From there, transmuter wizard, barred schools conjuration and universal. Mage hand cantrip for sure.
Where do I find the Aldori Dueling sword?
Throw in some Monk dips for the unarmoured AC, arrow deflection and crane style for the "can't be hit" factor. Fluff it so the weapon does the deflecting.
Even though Crane Style is a defensive fighting feat, would you use an archetype (Master of Many Styles) to achieve that or to gain the higher feats in the tree quicker?
My 'Jedi' monk build is a Monk of the Lotus/Qinggong. (But aren't all monks Qinggong these days?)
Going Crane Style, deflect arrows, Combat Reflexes and weapon Focus. Just reached level 4 in PFS and took hydraulic push. Its a wet force push basically. He will also take hydraulic torrent. Maxing out diplomacy (even with 8 cha)
The monk's wisdom armour has always seemed perfect for Jedi. As its a kind of Dodge from intuition move. They also gain disease immunity, high jump, bonus vs enchantment and lead a disciplined life.
For my lightsaber, I am using a temple sword.
I don't really see Jedi as LG... more like LN. Paladins also wear too much armour.
just my 2 cents.
Monk seems to be general consensus. Is magus or a dip in magus a viable option?
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Kensai Magus is very viable as a Jedi - they don't wear armour and get Int to AC and some other reflexes-based abilities (Int to Initiative, AoO while flat-footed, Int to number of AoO, never surprised at level 19).
I don't know that I would dip Magus since your CL will be low. Dipping Monk on a mostly Kensai Magus Jedi might be better. Two levels of Master of Many Styles will give you two Crane Style feats and Evasion.
Play a Psychic Warrior from UP. Done, you have a Jedi.
I always thought hexcrafter and possibly white-haired witch would be fun, with the prehensile hair stuff refluffed as telekinetic abilities.
Make lightsaber a Weapon Finesse using weapon (for all intents and purposes, and Aldori Dueling sword (brilliant energy/conealment). They would be Free Hand Fighters with the Aldori feat chain (+2 AC, can WF) HIGH dex. Very high. From there, transmuter wizard, barred schools conjuration and universal. Mage hand cantrip for sure.
Brilliant energy would be great but for one thing... a lightsaber doesn't so much pass through nonliving matter as it slices through it with equal ease... so brilliant energy doesn't work because it doesn't affect undead or constructs. A lightsaber would.
That's the cop out answer. I want to know if and how it is possible under Pathfinder rules. NO 3rd PARTY!!!
No. It's not a cop out. It's the smart answer. How would you make a d20 game for a movie/book series that already has a d20 game... Ta-Da!
That said, the third party I'd most likely recommend because it would do an excellent job...
Play a Psychic Warrior from UP. Done, you have a Jedi.
... or a psion. Sith could be wilders thematically, since their emotions drive them.
Brilliant energy would be great but for one thing... a lightsaber doesn't so much pass through nonliving matter as it slices through it with equal ease... so brilliant energy doesn't work because it doesn't affect undead or constructs. A lightsaber would.
Agreed.
I'd recommend casters of some sort. Mind reading, telekinesis, healing, precognition... you'd want to be able to use the powers a lot, which makes limited spell slots less desirable... Sorcerer would be easiest in that respect, but misses some spells...
I will think on it.
Would Darth Sidious be a mythic Sith?
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Something I threw at my players awhile back:
Darth Maul CR 19
XP 204,800
Demon-Spawn Tiefling Eldritch Knight 10/Fighter 1/Sorcerer 9
CE Medium outsider (native)
Init +10; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +2
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Defense
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AC 34, touch 21, flat-footed 28 (+8 armor, +6 Dex, +5 natural, +5 deflection)
hp 213 (11d10+9d6+49)
Fort +17, Ref +17, Will +14; +4 vs. poison
Resist cold 5, electricity 10, fire 5
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee +1 brilliant energy, spell storing two-bladed sword +23/+18/+13 (1d8+10/1d8+10/17-20)
Sorcerer Spells Known (CL 18th; concentration +28):
9th (4/day) weird (DC 29)
8th (6/day) mind blank, power word stun
7th (7/day) deflection, resonating word (DC 29), spell turning
6th (8/day) chain lightning (DC 26), disintegrate (DC 28), mass suggestion (DC 26)
5th (8/day) fickle winds, hold monster (DC 25), telekinesis, waves of fatigue
4th (8/day) charm monster (DC 24), crushing despair (DC 24), fear (DC 24), greater false life, stoneskin
3rd (8/day) greater magic weapon, haste, heroism, rage, suggestion (DC 23)
2nd (9/day) bear's endurance, blur, bull's strength, detect thoughts (DC 22), ghoul touch (DC 22), resist energy
1st (9/day) cause fear (DC 21), feather fall (DC 23), jump, shield, shocking grasp, true strike
0 (at will) arcane mark, detect magic, ghost sound (DC 20), mage hand, open/close (DC 22), prestidigitation (DC 20), read magic, resistance, spark (DC 20)
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Statistics
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Str 24, Dex 22, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 28
Base Atk +15; CMB +22; CMD 43
Feats Combat Casting, Double Slice, Empower Spell, Eschew Materials, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (two-bladed sword), Greater Spell Focus (transmutation), Greater Two-weapon Fighting, Greater Weapon Focus (two-bladed sword), Improved Critical (two-bladed sword), Improved Initiative, Improved Two-weapon Fighting, Spell Focus (transmutation), Spontaneous Metafocus (telekinesis), Two-weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (two-bladed sword), Weapon Specialization (two-bladed sword)
Skills Spellcraft +23, Stealth +26
Languages Abyssal, Common
SQ bloodlines (abyssal), fiendish sorcery, spell critical
Gear +1 brilliant energy, spell storing two-bladed sword, amulet of natural armor +5, belt of physical might (str & dex +6), bracers of armor +8, cloak of resistance +5, headband of alluring charisma +6, page of spell knowledge (vampiric touch), ring of protection +5
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Special Abilities
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Fiendish Sorcery Tiefling sorcerers with the Abyssal or Infernal bloodline treat their Charisma score as 2 points higher for all sorcerer class abilities.
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Well, after Occult Adventures, I'm pretty sure the way you do this is with Kineticist. Kinetic Blade isn't quite a lightsaber, but it might as well be.
And a telekineticist gets a lot of other Jedi tricks as well. Gestalt with something or go VMC Wizard (Diviner) and you're definitely getting there.
We've used the laser torch from the Technology guide before. Touch attack, bypasses hardness. Only real issue is fire resistance.
Monks are great. Most classes with a little casting can work I think, depending on spell selection. I liked a mesmerist for force "suggestions".
I know this is a topic that has been done many times over, but with many of the major Pathfinder resources now out there, I want your thoughts.
As Jedi & Sith were recruited from all races, I am not going to focus that aspect, though opinions will be taken under consideration.
This is a "How would you build it?" thread. Please include archetypes, PrC, or any other ideas that you may have.
Also, how to handle the lightsaber?
Aether & Fire Kineticist would be pretty good for a sith.
You could go the kinetic blade route or brilliant energy weapon as mentioned.
back in 3.5 mongoose publishing made the set of "The Quintessential X" where X was placed with a class. their "The Quintessential Monk II" which was suited for 3.5 had the "ki swordsman" prestige class fro monks. which was as close to a Jedi as i could have found. had steep requirement to enter. most could only get in after level 10 and do 11-20 as levels in that class. among the main abilities it had was a class ability to pull out an energy blade and flurry and such with it. it grow in power. and the level 8 upgrade actually made it a better suit to a lightsaber then a brilliant weapon, as a brilliant weapon won't harm undead\constructs and this one had:
Brilliant energy katana for lightsaber and the kensai archetype with a focus on force spells and enhancement arcanas.
Use the Plasma Blade form Pathfinder AP 100. That's much more like a light sabre than anything else.