Primalist Bloodrager and other Archetypes


Rules Questions


Here is the text for the Primalist Bloodrager archetype:

Primal Choices: At 4th level and every 4 levels thereafter,
a primalist can choose to take either his bloodline
power or two barbarian rage powers. If the primalist
chooses rage powers, those rage powers can be used in
conjunction with his bloodrage, and his bloodrager level
acts as his barbarian level when determining the effect
of those bloodrage powers and any prerequisites. Any
other prerequisites for a rage power must be met before a
primalist can choose it. This ability does not count as the
rage power class feature for determining feat prerequisites
and other requirements. This ability alters the bloodline
class feature.

Compared with Quigong monk:
A qinggong monk can select a ki power (see below) for which she qualifies in place of the following monk class abilities: slow fall (4th), high jump (5th), wholeness of body (7th), diamond body (11th), abundant step (12th), diamond soul (13th), quivering palm (15th), timeless body (17th), tongue of the sun and moon (17th), empty body (19th), and perfect self (20th). This replaces the monk class ability the qinggong monk gives up for this ki power.

Relavent FAQ:
Monk: Can a qinggong monk take a second archetype if the character doesn't swap out abilities the second archetype requires?

Yes. However, the other archetype takes priority over the various abilities granted at each level, and the character can't delay taking an ability that the other archetype replaces—he must allow the second archetype to replace the standard ability at the standard class level.

Basically, I was wondering if Primalist fell under the Quigong exception or not. I am thinking the line about altering the class feature means RAW no, especially since it is not present in the Quigong description. If the line had been: the selected rage powers replace the bloodline power given up, I think it would fall under the exception. In a home game, I would probably allow it, following the Quigong FAQ.


Probably not based off of the last part of Primal Choices which says 'This ability alters the Bloodline class feature' so it alters Bloodline and can't be combined with anything else that changes it.

While the Qinggong Monk says 'This replaces the Monk class ability the Qinggong Monk gives up for the Ki power' so it only alters whatever you choose it to so you can work it around with other Archetypes if one you pick gets rid of Slow Fall for something else you can't choose that to replace but since that Archetype didn't get rid of High Jump you are free to remove it and select a Ki Power.

But it probably isn't that bad of a house rule to allow it(I'd probably allow it along with combining Wildblooded and Crossblooded)

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