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Mysterious Stranger got a LOT better with Rasputin Must Die and Ultimate Equipment. There's a magical gun enhancement that prevents firearms from misfiring ever (nullifying the use for Quick Clear) and three levels in Fighter (Trench Fighter) gives you Gun Training.You forgot to mention the Mysterious Stranger for sulis. Remember, all of their formerly Wis-based class features are now based on Charisma.Added. I've stopped hyping the Mysterious Stranger quite as much as I used to, because a lot of people think that losing Quick Clear isn't worth the trade-off.
Good catch on the Reliable property, I've added that to my guide in several places!
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You don't suggest any PrCs under humans. I'd highly recommend the Nature Warden. A Feral Child Druid can meet all of the criteria without multiclassing, and the Eye for Talent race trait combined with the Huntmaster feat work really well with the Nature Warden's class abilities. Losing Wild Shape still hurts, but Nature Warden doesn't progress that ability anyway.
Also, with the Scion of Humanity race trait, Aasimars also make great Nature Wardens. You could combine Celestial Servant with Huntmaster and the Feral Child Druid archetype to have a pretty powerful companion/terrain-focused character, especially with the Magical Knack trait.
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Pretty good. Read through all the core races and the PFS legal alternate races.
I only have 2 notes and their both under tiefling.
1) Their paladin favored class ability is probably one of the best. Its twice as good as the halfling/gnome ability for the purpose of healing themselves. Add on greater mercy and fey foundling and your healing ridiculous HP's/lay on hands, when used on you only, which should be most of them.
2) You missed Improved Fiendish Sorcery as a feat. This ability probably makes Variant Tieflings the scariest sorcerer in the entire game. If he is a Rakshasa variant tiefling that takes crossblooded abyssal/infernal with Shadow/Rakshasa and picks up improved fiendish sorcery he can effectively be rocking a 24 Cha at level 1 for the purpose of everything having to do with being a sorcerer! Sure, your limited on bloodlines, but none of those bloodlines are too bad and some even have some synergies together. While probably not as broken as say the scarred witchdoctor, its still pretty broken. DC 18 level 1 spells before spell focus, plus all the other goodies of high Cha for sorcerer abilities.
Added all of those suggestions! I can't believe I missed such an awesome feat!
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You don't suggest any PrCs under humans. I'd highly recommend the Nature Warden. A Feral Child Druid can meet all of the criteria without multiclassing, and the Eye for Talent race trait combined with the Huntmaster feat work really well with the Nature Warden's class abilities. Losing Wild Shape still hurts, but Nature Warden doesn't progress that ability anyway.
Also, with the Scion of Humanity race trait, Aasimars also make great Nature Wardens. You could combine Celestial Servant with Huntmaster and the Feral Child Druid archetype to have a pretty powerful companion/terrain-focused character, especially with the Magical Knack trait.
Added the Nature Warden as a suggestion under humans! :)
Okay, after reading the Bestiary 4, I recently came to the realization that ALL of the following races are apparently legal to use as PCs without any racial hit dice or level adjustment. Here they are...
Centaur
Trox
Gnoll
Lizardfolk
Drider
Gargoyle
Ogre
Gathlain
Kasatha
Wyrwood
Wyvaran
Yeah, this guide just got a WHOLE lot bigger (also, keep in mind that some of these races are friggin ridiculous in terms of power).
Okay, after reading the Bestiary 4, I recently came to the realization that ALL of the following races are apparently legal to use as PCs without any racial hit dice or level adjustment. Here they are...
Centaur
Trox
Gnoll
Lizardfolk
Drider
Gargoyle
Ogre
Gathlain
Kasatha
Wyrwood
WyvaranYeah, this guide just got a WHOLE lot bigger (also, keep in mind that some of these races are friggin ridiculous in terms of power).
A lot of these are in the ARG, but aside from just having a stat block entry in there they really have no other options. No archetypes, no racial feats.
Lizardfolk and Gnolls are almost identical mechanically. It's a shame, especially because I was looking at fleshing out some characters in these races to be NPCs in my game.
I am hoping for a brief nod to the Bestiary 4 created races in the guide. they don't have feats pr a favored class bonus, but I feel they are worth mentioning.
Hey there Dr. Beck! I'm going to guess that you've been tremendously busy and that's been keeping you from working on this.
How close am I?
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Hi everyone!
Just a quick update for those of you who've dotted this and been waiting patiently for new material: I'll be getting back to the guide very soon, but for right now the main thing on my plate is RPG Superstar (in which I'm a top 16 finalist!)
Last I can find, this was my current list of planned race updates:
-Ratfolk
-Changelings
-Hobgoblins
-Monkey Goblins
-Skinwalkers
-Orcs
-Duergar
-Lizardfolk
-Lashunta
-Nagaji
-Gathlain
-Kasatha
-Trox
-Wyrwood
-Wyvaran
Thanks for checking out my guide!
Tyler
So, I was looking for a race that had Str/Int to build a Str-based magus, but I was shocked to not find a single race that has that. Lots of Dex/Int races, but not a single Str/Int??
So, I was looking for a race that had Str/Int to build a Str-based magus, but I was shocked to not find a single race that has that. Lots of Dex/Int races, but not a single Str/Int??
Very few races have a STR bonus at all, and I'm pretty sure one of the variant Tieflings or Dhampir had that combo, but I could be wrong.
You could always play a Dual Talent Human to get the stats you want, or cheese up an Aasimar or Tiefling with the Blood of supplements.
None of the Aasimar, Tiefling or Dhampirs get Str/Int. The Werecroc Skinwalker does, but only while changed.
So, I was looking for a race that had Str/Int to build a Str-based magus, but I was shocked to not find a single race that has that. Lots of Dex/Int races, but not a single Str/Int??
Try the male Lashunta, those guys are +Str/+Int. They also are butt ugly.
Hey there Cartmanback. Thanks for making this Guide. I'm a fairly new GM to Pathfinder and have been using your guide extensively to help my players and the creation of my own characters, but I had a question:
Kobolds are awesome, of course, but the snare setter seems weaker then you make them out to be. While Ranger Traps are an awesome concept, their perception DC's seem to be weak. The saves are on par with most spell save DC's, but perception scales way faster. I was wondering, do you or anyone else on this forum know of a way to boost the perception DC for ranger traps or overcome this problem. I'd like to run this character concept in a campaign, but I'm having trouble seeing the viability if the monsters can usually detect the trap before its sprung.
Thanks again for all your hard work!
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Hey there Cartmanback. Thanks for making this Guide. I'm a fairly new GM to Pathfinder and have been using your guide extensively to help my players and the creation of my own characters, but I had a question:
Kobolds are awesome, of course, but the snare setter seems weaker then you make them out to be. While Ranger Traps are an awesome concept, their perception DC's seem to be weak. The saves are on par with most spell save DC's, but perception scales way faster. I was wondering, do you or anyone else on this forum know of a way to boost the perception DC for ranger traps or overcome this problem. I'd like to run this character concept in a campaign, but I'm having trouble seeing the viability if the monsters can usually detect the trap before its sprung.
Thanks again for all your hard work!
You know, I honestly never really thought of that... you're totally right, Perception does scale significantly faster than saves. I don't think there's any way to increase these, so my best suggestion would be to combine them with some sort of spellcasting to make the trap invisible or something of that nature. I'll have to take a few minutes to note this in my guide. Thanks!
You know, I honestly never really thought of that... you're totally right, Perception does scale significantly faster than saves. I don't think there's any way to increase these, so my best suggestion would be to combine them with some sort of spellcasting to make the trap invisible or something of that nature. I'll have to take a few minutes to note this in my guide. Thanks!Hey there Cartmanback. Thanks for making this Guide. I'm a fairly new GM to Pathfinder and have been using your guide extensively to help my players and the creation of my own characters, but I had a question:
Kobolds are awesome, of course, but the snare setter seems weaker then you make them out to be. While Ranger Traps are an awesome concept, their perception DC's seem to be weak. The saves are on par with most spell save DC's, but perception scales way faster. I was wondering, do you or anyone else on this forum know of a way to boost the perception DC for ranger traps or overcome this problem. I'd like to run this character concept in a campaign, but I'm having trouble seeing the viability if the monsters can usually detect the trap before its sprung.
Thanks again for all your hard work!
No problem. Sorry if that makes the archetype look a lot less cool. I also figured spells might be the best way to handle the problem, or some house rules. Some Obscuring Mist or Silent Image could probably fix that right up. But it would require some multiclassing. :)
A bit on half-elves - I saw multitalented was rated relatively highly for multiclass builds, but isn't single classing (or prestiging for hybrids like arcane archers) usually the better choice, with 1-2 level dips being the most frequent multiclass builds? It always seemed like a pretty poor feature when I looked at it. Can you give me a few examples where it contributes a lot to the build?
Are changelings still in the on-deck circle?
Love the work you've done on this, thanks.
Ghorrin
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On Skinwalkers, you seem to be under the impression that the bestial form bestows a -4 penalty to a skinwalker's Charisma score. That's not true. They take a penalty on Charisma checks, not to their Charisma score.
The racial ability score bonus and additional feature last as long as the skinwalker remains in that form, and a skinwalker can remain in bestial form for as long as she wants. While in bestial form, a skinwalker takes a –4 penalty on Charisma and Charisma-based checks when interacting with humanoids that lack the shapechanger subtype.
Reread that as "a skinwalker takes a -4 penalty on Charisma checks and Charisma-based skill checks." The game makes a distinction between ability checks and skill checks, which is the reasoning behind the text. It makes little sense why bestial form would bestow a penalty to your Charisma score, anyway. If it affected a your ability scores, they would have listed that under your ability score bonuses. Also, what would be the point of the skinwalkers that get Charisma bonuses on their bestial form? It makes little sense thematically, too.
So, this shouldn't have any effect on a sorcerer's spellcasting, just how they interact with other humanoids.
I miss you, Cartmanbeck! Where's the next edition?
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On Skinwalkers, you seem to be under the impression that the bestial form bestows a -4 penalty to a skinwalker's Charisma score. That's not true. They take a penalty on Charisma checks, not to their Charisma score.
The racial ability score bonus and additional feature last as long as the skinwalker remains in that form, and a skinwalker can remain in bestial form for as long as she wants. While in bestial form, a skinwalker takes a –4 penalty on Charisma and Charisma-based checks when interacting with humanoids that lack the shapechanger subtype.Reread that as "a skinwalker takes a -4 penalty on Charisma checks and Charisma-based skill checks." The game makes a distinction between ability checks and skill checks, which is the reasoning behind the text. It makes little sense why bestial form would bestow a penalty to your Charisma score, anyway. If it affected a your ability scores, they would have listed that under your ability score bonuses. Also, what would be the point of the skinwalkers that get Charisma bonuses on their bestial form? It makes little sense thematically, too.
So, this shouldn't have any effect on a sorcerer's spellcasting, just how they interact with other humanoids.
Ah, fair point. The wording is a bit misleading, though. I could see a GM reading it the way I had done so, and then you'd still be a fairly screwed Sorcerer. I'll make a note of that, though.
@Secret Wizard: My wife will be having our first baby in about a month, so I'll have a lot of time at home for about two weeks at that point. If I can't get to it before then, that'll be the time to update things a bit. :)
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Actually, let me ask you all this:
Which would you rather I focus on? More races for the guide with the format exactly the same, or adding the Advanced Class Guide classes to the current races? I'd like to do both eventually, of course, but would like to focus on one for now.
Congrats on the lil' monster!
My vote is for more races, eagerly awaiting Monkey Goblins and Hobgobbos.
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I will go ahead and say that there are clear and obvious choices on which races are good at each of the new Advanced Class Guide classes just based on which classes they are "made from". Peri-blooded Aasimar will make the best Arcanists. Tengu will make great Hunters. Gillmen will make incredible Bloodragers.
These things are mostly based simply on the ability score bonuses, as there aren't going to be any specific racial powers that influence their abilities, for the most part, unless that ability comes directly from another one of the base classes. Ragebred skinwalkers, for example, are going to be excellent Bloodragers because they're excellent Barbarians.
Might i ask for some gnoll?
No I am not a troll
I just see a black hole
where there is a race called Gnoll
Which could be full
If paizo had a soul D:
Monkey friggin goblins.
As of the Advanced Class Guide there's a Magnus archetype that's a spontaneous caster with it's spells revolving around CHA instead of INT.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus -archetypes/eldritch-scion
Angel-blooded Aasimar's get a bonus to STR and CHA, so this might give Aasimar magnus' a much better build.
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Really like the guide, lots of good information in here
One thing I noticed was that you rated the 'Arcane training' ability of half-elves as red. I agree that it is almost useless for an arcane caster, but a non-caster can now count as having one level in an arcane class for spell completion items. Wizard is always good, and witch can be used to allow for healing items.
I have to agree. I thought that it might be especially good for classes like monks, who can then operate most of the good cheap wands.
Hmm
Giving up all your favoured class bonuses is a pretty high price to pay. I'd sooner keep the favoured class bonuses, use them for skill points, and use the skill points on UMD.
the ratfolk could use a smidge of an update since the release of the monster codex.
otherwise love the work
I feel a special mention in the Android section needs to be made about the Nanite Bloodline Sorcerer.
Not only is it bloody awesome, but the 3rd level ability gives you extra nanite surges. Couple this with Extra Surge, Rapid Repair, and Rapic Recovery. Not to mention the trait Nanite Revival is prett decent.
Played an Android Nanite Sorcerer in a home game. It worked out very well as a switch-hitting controller. May not have been munchkin-level charisma throughout the game, but optimizing for the surges and making use of the Android's strengths (with the feats and bloodline) wound up with a different style of play that worked out well.
Now, this is all hinges on whether your guide is for pure PFS only or not.
