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Agree that drinky Pete shambling in and accidentally killing somebody wasn't the greatest writing. Though I knew the min ol drinky pete was introduced that he was going to be a monster that needed dealing with. A shame I think they could have done a lot with that character, Rick, and Jessie.
What does Glenn do now? I mean how many times does he have to save Nick? With Judge Dredd-Grimes on duty I'm not sure how its going to play out if people hear Nick tried to kill Glenn.
So did the power supply problem get fixed? Because I don't recall Eugene and the bunch getting the modules they needed....
I don't think Nick gets past episode 2 next season.
What Glenn does now is march Nicholas back to the community and insist he confess everything: how Nicholas and Aiden were the ones who panicked and broke protocol, not the earlier batch of new recruits; how Nicholas got Noah killed and tried to leave Glenn and the others behind immediately after; how he lied about that, and now tried to murder Glenn.
Glenn knows he needs to show Deanna and the others that Rick's group is more than just a bunch of hardened killers. He's had reason and opportunity to kill Nicholas more than once, and hasn't. Holding back is the difference between "we were almost out there too long" and "it's too late, we were absolutely out there too long."
That.. did go a little conveniently well for rick.
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@Samnell:
EDIT: And Gate Guy was at the meeting; he was the one that said he'd told Gabriel to close the gate. He was in too much of a hurry to get to the town meeting to be bothered to do it himself.
@Samnell:
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He doesn't have the courage to be an out and out murderer. He'll GET people killed through inaction or indirect means like locking them out of a building during the zombie apocolypse, but not through stabbing them or something.
You aren't locking the gates. Therefore YOU MUST KILL THE MAN WHO HAS THE WOMAN I WANT. Your denial of this basic logic has cost you your husband. BEND TO THE RICKTATORSHIP OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
Alpha male needs his alpha female. All the other betas can make do with scraps.
/fedora
I believe after dealing with Ed for so many years carol knew what buttons to push to get drunk Pete to act a fool and he did. I loved the finale but all I've read for weeks is "it's gonna make ya sad and make ya mad" (the finale). Why? There wasn't a "big event". We all knew rick was gonna kill Pete eventually and Glenn once again came out of an impossible situation battered but alive.
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To be fair the comic had a better explanation of the walker getting inside the walls
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Doesn't make sense to me a surgeon, no matter how drunk, would try to kill Rick, a trained combatant, with a sword, in a fair way. And especially not in front of the community. It's a lose-lose situation. The doctors I know... are not even 1% that stupid. Thought that was unrealistic.
Didn't like how weak and "humane" Glenn has become. Seriously, letting Nick live after another attempt on your life after killing your friend and leaving you for dead? This is getting ridiculous trying to prove how humane the group is becoming. In real life, this just gets you dead.
Didn't like how Deanna got only Nick's side of the story and not Glenn's after being portrayed and being wise (and thorough) before.
Hopefully the wolves are more than 2 guys.
Morgan going from a normal dad to some kind of bo staff wielding ninja. Come on... that takes training, you can't just pick it up, and who would provide that training? And how could you make mistakes when one mistake against zombies costs you your life? "Good tv" (because people love that stuff), kills the realism for me.
Didn't like how they didn't show Glenn getting out of a certain death experience and then tried to be dramatic by letting him somehow snuck up on Nick in the woods when being wounded.
Although it was a different kind of ending compared to the formula ending, it felt anti-climatic and didn't feel like a season finale.
Although I loved season 5, I wasn't a fan of the writing for the finale.
Munchings and crunchings for zombeh gurglie, oh yes...
Saw the S6 Premiere Friday night @ Madison Square Garden.
If this episode is any indication of the rest of the season? Its gonna be another rough one for our survivors.
Not spoiling anything by saying that i liked how they used flashbacks in this episode.
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I met tyreese at comic con!
I did not have the 50 bucks for a picture with him however....
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Awesome episode.....
I loved the black and white flashbacks. Loved the time jumping. Normally, I'm iffy about it, but they made it work.
Ron needs to get his sorry ass eaten. Stupid little punk.
If the series were to end with just Rick, Morgan, Michonne, and maybe Darryl, as the only ones left alive, I'd be cool with that.
Poor Carter. You were partially right. You certainly weren't ready. I won't miss you.
That last minute ruin of the plan was visible from a mile away. Gonna make things really interesting next episode. I'm guessing it was the Wolves, who already seem to be a bunch of complete douchebags. I foresee a big body count.
Gonna be a great season.
Did we ever get the full plan? I was called away during one of the scenes so I might have missed it. Specifically
I get that the quarry zombie reservoir was untenable long-term and they needed to clear it out, lest the walkers sashay up to Alexandria.
But they were obviously moving the herd with a destination in mind, rather than just generally "away." What was the end game? The herd's far too large to kill with the people they had on hand, so I assume there was a designated kill zone where they could plink away in safety and/or kill large numbers with a log deadfall or something. But if the show told us, I missed it.
"breath impaired", heheh.
Samnell, far as I can tell the intend was to aim the lot westerly and let them go herd along elsewhere.
Jason S, Morgan explains his instruction succinctly in S6E1 as "a friend". So you're good there. ;)
I met tyreese at comic con!
I did not have the 50 bucks for a picture with him however....
seriously? that's a shame.
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Yeah, about that plan.....
Lead them away? Seriously? What's to stop them from turning around at some future point and coming right back. Best to try and take care of them while they were trapped. It must have taken a few weeks to work all that out and build the "corner pocket". Plenty of time to think things through and come up with something more along the lines of "destroy them all".
My personal preference would have been to spare some gasoline and douse as many as you can near the barricades. Then use one or two of those flare to set off a nice little conflagration. The ones you doused go right up, and with so many in such close proximity, more would burn. You may not get them all, but I think you'd get a good bit.
The only downside would be the smoke from the fire would make a great beacon for anyone of the living nearby.
Another solution would have been to build that wall further down the road from where the rig collapsed. They might have stood a better chance of containing them, and maybe been able to set up a kill zone - a kind of funnel that would allow them to control the rate of egress and kill them a few at a time. It would have been great practice for existing residents of Alexandria. Teach them the best walker killing methods and get them used to doing it.
Yeah, about that plan.....
Spoiler:Didn't think to comment on it earlier. I didn't really think much of that plan.
Lead them away? Seriously? What's to stop them from turning around at some future point and coming right back. Best to try and take care of them while they were trapped. It must have taken a few weeks to work all that out and build the "corner pocket". Plenty of time to think things through and come up with something more along the lines of "destroy them all".My personal preference would have been to spare some gasoline and douse as many as you can near the barricades. Then use one or two of those flare to set off a nice little conflagration. The ones you doused go right up, and with so many in such close proximity, more would burn. You may not get them all, but I think you'd get a good bit.
The only downside would be the smoke from the fire would make a great beacon for anyone of the living nearby.
Another solution would have been to build that wall further down the road from where the rig collapsed. They might have stood a better chance of containing them, and maybe been able to set up a kill zone - a kind of funnel that would allow them to control the rate of egress and kill them a few at a time. It would have been great practice for existing residents of Alexandria. Teach them the best walker killing methods and get them used to doing it.
Alternatively, they should have scrounged up a decent bit of diesel (they were able to scrounge up gasoline) and get those bulldozers up and running. They could have gone all Road Warrior with the dozers and simply smooshed their local Horde into tread-jam. The strays and stragglers would have made excellent starter practice for the Alexandrians.
Instead, some disgruntled soul set off the air raid siren back 'home'. I'm guessing the kid of the recently deceased pappa (Ron?). If not, then the Wolves snuck in or parked a rigged vehicle on the other side of the suburb and lit up the buffet bell.
Ok, so why to the zombies need to be walked somewhere better than the already perfect shooting gallery that they're in?
Stand on the cliffs, toss in some napalm. BBQ. Go home.
Ok, so why to the zombies need to be walked somewhere better than the already perfect shooting gallery that they're in?
I believe one concern was that any method of mass disposal would have made enough noise to attract more walkers. Not unreasonable given that we were told the horde by itself was making enough noise to do that.
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Ok, so why to the zombies need to be walked somewhere better than the already perfect shooting gallery that they're in?I believe one concern was that any method of mass disposal would have made enough noise to attract more walkers. Not unreasonable given that we were told the horde by itself was making enough noise to do that.
I had discussed this with some folks elsewhere (maybe even here)...
My suggestion would have been to build a funnel with a gate across the road, then let them through a few at a time to give the Alexandrians practice in zombie-killing up close and personal. No guns needed (theoretically).
The larger point being, and I agree with BNW (whoa!), why lead them anywhere when you've got them under semi-controlled circumstances that make it easy to wipe out large numbers.
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Ok, so why to the zombies need to be walked somewhere better than the already perfect shooting gallery that they're in?I believe one concern was that any method of mass disposal would have made enough noise to attract more walkers. Not unreasonable given that we were told the horde by itself was making enough noise to do that.I had discussed this with some folks elsewhere (maybe even here)...
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All of which is moot because the semi-controlled condition went out the window when the semi trailer fell over the edge. There was no telling how much time they had. They got lucky if you ask me just setting up the plan.
^ what this guy said. I'm pumped. This was one of the more tense/actioney episodes in a while.
I think it was Aaron's pack that led them to Alexandria.
Why are we spoilering, if you clicked this thread then you know what you are getting into!
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Whoa!
The attack by the Wolves was...surprising...to say the least. And brutal. I did not expect it so soon. But I loved how it dovetailed into the horn going off and attracting the now approaching herd. This season has a lot going on, so far. And things keep moving rapidly.
My one problem with the attack - the wolves had that trap set up with the trailers and sound system, yet they don't have any guns?
WRT the Morgan or Aaron question. I think it was a bit of both, but more so Morgan for leaving clearly bad people alive. I can't really fault Aaron too much for losing his backpack - survival was more important at that point.
Carol once again showed just how much of a bad ass she's become. I read an article where Kirkman has stated he refuses to kill TV Carol, just because of how they've developed the character and how interesting it is. I can see why. She continues to be quick-thinking, decisive, and utterly ruthless when it comes to protecting the community.
I thought they were going to set up a conflict between Rick and Morgan, but now it seems like they might be aiming for a Carol/Morgan show down. We'll know more next Sunday, when they reveal whether or not Morgan actually killed that Wolf he apologized to. I think he did kill, but you never know.
And I can see a bad trend in Carl - (a) he started to appear a little jealous seeing Ron and Enid. (b) he hesitated when he had that Wolf down and injured. He caught hell last time he shot someone who was trying to "surrender", and that made him second guess himself this time. It almost cost him his life. Hopefully he'll do better next time.
Speaking of Ron, I still keep hoping he'll get eaten. Otherwise, he's going to end up causing trouble. When that happens, someone's going to have to put him down.
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Not sure why they didnt have guns. The Morgan scene with the two wolves set up the fact they had a pistol, but no bullets. They seem to favor large bladed weapons. Makes some sense if they are nomads. Also, guns and ammo can be a pain to travel with. Blades wont make noise and wolves seem to understand walkers well.
I was curious why they didnt use any walkers in their attack? Maybe it was because they thought they could take the place while the heavy hitters where out and didnt want to bother with working around them. That or they had trouble finding walkers nearby because of mega-herd.
I do wish one of the baking club survived to see how bad ass carol really is. I suppose armory gal who doesn't know how to shoot knows now.
Is Dr. Denise going to be Eugene's new BFF or love interest?
Carl's a teenager, so jealousy comes with the territory, especially over an attractive girl about his age. I'm guessing he may also be thinking "why waste a bullet", but I don't know the fate of the wolf he shot in the leg.
I'm guessing that the wolves didn't use walkers because this seems to be an initiation. One of them indicated that they don't have a choice, so it seems possible that their loved ones are being held captive as an assurance-of-behavior. If they succeed, the Wolves acquire slaves (we know they nabbed at least one), food, firearms and perhaps most important of all ... hot water, baths, clean clothes and who knows what else.
Just how they got the rig with the walker to drive is puzzling. The walker in the cab was pretty decayed and unrestrained at first glance. Maybe there was a remote control set-up involved? Pretty sophisticated stuff for a group with no ammunition and few firearms. Then again, the Wolves have shown a similar capability before, albeit nothing on as large a scale as remote control of a tractor trailer. Perhaps there's something they've not shown us yet on how they got the rig to run that way.
Ron was incinerated by molotov cocktail if I heard the Mayor lady right. My guess is that the perps that roasted him and scaled the wall let in the rest of them, although that doesn't flow with the rest of the scene. Perhaps others similarly scaled the wall near the gate, knifed the sentry there and unleashed the brigands. Or they simply scaled en masse at multiple entry points.
It'll be interesting to see if Rick and the other heavy hitters return as the Wolves are escaping. I'm banking on Morgan having KO'd that particular fellow and a very unpleasant interrogation will be part of the next episode. We'll see if Morgan's acquired semi-pacifism holds up against the slaughter in Alexandria and their need to know who these dorks are and why they're doing what they do.
I doubt Alexandria's walls will hold against the herd that is en route. They don't have long...
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And, yeah, they had a shot of that dude on the wall getting hit by the Molotov. It was while Mrs. Mayor and Maggie were discussing a garden area.
@All the "Burn 'em!" comments, the Governor's men tried that in Season 4 as one of their experiments. Apparently the Walkers can function up to the point the entire body is basically disintegrated, so not a great solution.
@All the "Burn 'em!" comments, the Governor's men tried that in Season 4 as one of their experiments. Apparently the Walkers can function up to the point the entire body is basically disintegrated, so not a great solution.
We've seen walkers who were clearly firebombed, but still mostly functional. Melted into the pavement, but quite ready to nibble anything that came in reach.
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@All the "Burn 'em!" comments, the Governor's men tried that in Season 4 as one of their experiments. Apparently the Walkers can function up to the point the entire body is basically disintegrated, so not a great solution.
Good point. Yet another reason it would be a bad idea. In fact, because you'd have to keep them all burning for a loooong time, you'd make the first problem (smoke revealing your location) even worse.
Thus, armor and blade the snot out of those 'dozers and get to smooshin'. Bonus points for putting a boom box atop each one, blaring AC/DC, Iron Maiden or other prefered heavy metal music of choice.
Yeah, as long as I had a good supply of fuel handy, I'd pimp the s~%# out of some heavy vehicle (one with caterpillar treads) and crush those f+%*ers into jelly.The problem occurs when you get stuck - which is going to happen in a zombie show or movie. Stuck = dead
It didn't help that the protagonists decided upon a Zombie-Rube Goldberg Device instead of simply piling all those cars in the way of that Herd, perhaps with the additional expedient of bolting on all that fencing onto one side (a sheet per car) and leaving them there, flattening the tires with large knives after they park the cars. Instead of funneling them, the simplest method would have been to layer the fencing.
This could have bought them the time to devise a more permanent plan, were it not for the Wolves.
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DA F&!!?!?!?
Otherwise, f+!$! They are just not letting up. This shit keeps just going from bad to worse. All because of those douchebag Wolves.
One thing I love....this series is not friendly towards any semblance of utopia. F$&+ you, Heath. You don't know shit! Michonne set your sorry ass straight.
Finally, I guess this means we won't get to see Negan beat Glenn's head in with a baseball bat.
THEORY!
Nicholas fell on top of Glenn and that was his blood/guts we saw. Glen manages to crawl away and stay alive. /sob