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Another depressive streak - don't worry, I am not into doing anything bad or weird, but I feel I must get out of the loop for a few days, more or less just taking a deep breath and do something to refill my power reserves. I might go 'offline' for a few days - keep the fire burning for me and continue to be awesome - 'see' you soon!

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What do you call mansplaining when a woman does it to a guy?
Rudely explaining or re-explaining what someone else said because their inflated ego needs to affirm the idea that their gender is the only one capable of adequately conveying and conceptualising any given idea to a sufficient degree, even if they have only half the facts? Particularly when you have institutions trying to ingrain this very idea into their heads, causing intellectual superiority complexes so entrenched among academics and insecure losers it's basically an automatic response for them?
Pretty sure that doesn't happen, yo.

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About 75% joke. But I also just had someone pretty much repeat the exact thing I'd said to someone else in a discussion about childcare, with a pretty darn obvious subtext of "which you can't know anything about on account of you being a man" (not that it matters, but I've several years worth of experience working with children, as well as less regulated time spent looking after children to various friends of my parents).

Garbage-Tier Waifu |
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About 75% joke. But I also just had someone pretty much repeat the exact thing I'd said to someone else in a discussion about childcare, with a pretty darn obvious subtext of "which you can't know anything about on account of you being a man" (not that it matters, but I've several years worth of experience working with children, as well as less regulated time spent looking after children to various friends of my parents).
You're getting gender role checked, my dude. Sucks yo, and I feel where you're coming from. That woman's behaviour comes from a very similar place to why men do it. It's to make you uncomfortable with your profession, and probably make you second guess yourself as a professional. That woman probably was trying to make you feel like you're not supposed to be there, even if she didn't outright admit it. It's as much a part of the patriarchal social learning as anything else, and all are victims of it in the end.
So basically, wow, what a rude person, people should know better.

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Kajehase wrote:What do you call mansplaining when a woman does it to a guy?Rudely explaining or re-explaining what someone else said because their inflated ego needs to affirm the idea that their gender is the only one capable of adequately conveying and conceptualising any given idea to a sufficient degree, even if they have only half the facts? Particularly when you have institutions trying to ingrain this very idea into their heads, causing intellectual superiority complexes so entrenched among academics and insecure losers it's basically an automatic response for them?
Pretty sure that doesn't happen, yo.
rotfl
We will have to disagree here.

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*head* *desk*
Anywho,
*channels positive feelings and offers hugs to anyone and everyone that wants or needs some*
*and aspirin*
Channel Aspirin should be a Variant Channel option.
Also thank you I need it today. Not the aspirin but definitely the positive energy.
rotfl
We will have to disagree here.
I mean, I sorta got shown I was wrong (sorta), but it's not quite the same thing. 'Mansplaining', if we really need to use that term, is really just small example of the general behaviour of men dominating discussions and forum spaces. It's basically treating listeners who aren't men as though they don't know anything or can't understand what they're saying. This is stuff done in professional environments, among peers. It's stifling and keeps people other than men from actively participating in the professional world, or even keeps their voices silent in professional fields. Not just making someone feel uncomfortable.
It's based heavily on power dynamics, which happens to be cis white male dominant.

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I mean, I sorta got shown I was wrong (sorta), but it's not quite the same thing. 'Mansplaining', if we really need to use that term, is really just small example of the general behaviour of men dominating discussions and forum spaces. It's basically treating listeners who aren't men as though they don't know anything or can't understand what they're saying. This is stuff done in professional environments, among peers. It's stifling and keeps people other than men from actively participating in the professional world, or even keeps their voices silent in professional fields. Not just making someone feel uncomfortable.It's based heavily on power dynamics, which happens to be cis white male dominant.
It's not just women who get that treatment.
I've been in toxic work places where *everyone* got that treatment, regardless of gender, race, or orientation...
...which is why I no longer work at such places, but sometimes one doesn't have a choice.

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The feminine equivalent of "mansplaining" is an individual being rude, not a widespread societal problem, so it doesn't have or need a special term.
It's sort of like how men can be victims of individual prejudice on account of their gender, but not victims of sexism (prejudice + institutional/societal power) or how white people can be victims of individual prejudice on account of their race, but not victims of racism (prejudice + institutional/societal power).

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The feminine equivalent of "mansplaining" is an individual being rude, not a widespread societal problem, so it doesn't have or need a special term.
It's sort of like how men can be victims of individual prejudice on account of their gender, but not victims of sexism (prejudice + institutional/societal power) or how white people can be victims of individual prejudice on account of their race, but not victims of racism (prejudice + institutional/societal power).
Though I think Kajehase might have a point in specific contexts that are traditionally women's roles, like child care. There it really does function similarly: It's gendered in the same way, it's gatekeeping, dominance behavior.
And in a way, it does have societal power behind it, the same forces that make it women's work in the first place target men who want to do it.Of course, as he also says, it's less damaging because it's much more limited and men can get reinforcement in other areas easily enough.

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Jessica Price wrote:The feminine equivalent of "mansplaining" is an individual being rude, not a widespread societal problem, so it doesn't have or need a special term.
It's sort of like how men can be victims of individual prejudice on account of their gender, but not victims of sexism (prejudice + institutional/societal power) or how white people can be victims of individual prejudice on account of their race, but not victims of racism (prejudice + institutional/societal power).
Though I think Kajehase might have a point in specific contexts that are traditionally women's roles, like child care. There it really does function similarly: It's gendered in the same way, it's gatekeeping, dominance behavior.
And in a way, it does have societal power behind it, the same forces that make it women's work in the first place target men who want to do it.Of course, as he also says, it's less damaging because it's much more limited and men can get reinforcement in other areas easily enough.
And it's probably also gotten at least four posts more attention than an off-hand, mostly joke (that wasn't that funny) brought on by bemusement and having been awake for more than 24 hours straight, comment deserves.

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So I was reading an article about Pride and how not everyone feels welcome. I left a single post, "I don't feel that Pride provides much of anything for those who aren't explicitly cis and gay. It's a very lopsided binary event."
That's based on my experiences and observations.
The very first response: "Then you're a blind, dystopian, bigoted Marxist. Have you never seen the transexual floats? And all the others representing different parts of our community? If you don't like it, organize your own parade that would undoubtedly leave out the majority for the sake of minority-fetishization. Yeah, THAT would be very 'inclusive'!"
This is why I don't feel welcome even in my own community.

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So I was reading an article about Pride and how not everyone feels welcome. I left a single post, "I don't feel that Pride provides much of anything for those who aren't explicitly cis and gay. It's a very lopsided binary event."
That's based on my experiences and observations.
The very first response: "Then you're a blind, dystopian, bigoted Marxist. Have you never seen the transexual floats? And all the others representing different parts of our community? If you don't like it, organize your own parade that would undoubtedly leave out the majority for the sake of minority-fetishization. Yeah, THAT would be very 'inclusive'!"
This is why I don't feel welcome even in my own community.
come up my way, you and kalindlara will most likely be welcomed.
If not(something that has been discussed in the community to varying degrees), then come over to my house.
There will be ribs.

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As a fortysomething cis white bi guy who's been happily and monogamously married to a woman for more than 20 years, I don't exactly feel welcomed by a small but vocal minority in the LGBTQ community, either. I've been accused of being a "tourist."
I will identify as bi when it comes up, but most people pretty much assume I'm straight because I blend into the patriarchy.

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As a fortysomething cis white bi guy who's been happily and monogamously married to a woman for more than 20 years, I don't exactly feel welcomed by a small but vocal minority in the LGBTQ community, either. I've been accused of being a "tourist."
I will identify as bi when it comes up, but most people pretty much assume I'm straight because I blend into the patriarchy.
What pisses me off so much is that it's supposed to be inclusive. We should want to include ourselves and our allies. It doesn't feel that way at all. The more I look into the LGBT community, the more I realize that I don't belong.

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So I was reading an article about Pride and how not everyone feels welcome. I left a single post, "I don't feel that Pride provides much of anything for those who aren't explicitly cis and gay. It's a very lopsided binary event."
That's based on my experiences and observations.
The very first response: "Then you're a blind, dystopian, bigoted Marxist. Have you never seen the transexual floats? And all the others representing different parts of our community? If you don't like it, organize your own parade that would undoubtedly leave out the majority for the sake of minority-fetishization. Yeah, THAT would be very 'inclusive'!"
This is why I don't feel welcome even in my own community.
Heck, I don't even feel comfortable at TRANS pride in Seattle. The event is still all about cis people.

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Cindy Robertson wrote:Heck, I don't even feel comfortable at TRANS pride in Seattle. The event is still all about cis people.So I was reading an article about Pride and how not everyone feels welcome. I left a single post, "I don't feel that Pride provides much of anything for those who aren't explicitly cis and gay. It's a very lopsided binary event."
That's based on my experiences and observations.
The very first response: "Then you're a blind, dystopian, bigoted Marxist. Have you never seen the transexual floats? And all the others representing different parts of our community? If you don't like it, organize your own parade that would undoubtedly leave out the majority for the sake of minority-fetishization. Yeah, THAT would be very 'inclusive'!"
This is why I don't feel welcome even in my own community.
that doesn't bode well for here then. The last I heard was that outreach was made to trans pride Seattle to learn more about making pride nyc more accessible for trans people here.
Oh man. What a letdown.

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Cindy Robertson wrote:Heck, I don't even feel comfortable at TRANS pride in Seattle. The event is still all about cis people.So I was reading an article about Pride and how not everyone feels welcome. I left a single post, "I don't feel that Pride provides much of anything for those who aren't explicitly cis and gay. It's a very lopsided binary event."
That's based on my experiences and observations.
The very first response: "Then you're a blind, dystopian, bigoted Marxist. Have you never seen the transexual floats? And all the others representing different parts of our community? If you don't like it, organize your own parade that would undoubtedly leave out the majority for the sake of minority-fetishization. Yeah, THAT would be very 'inclusive'!"
This is why I don't feel welcome even in my own community.
Preach. I don't go to pride (there are pride parades here in Tasmania but I get anxious in big crowds and events), but I know lots of other transwomen who have been and not felt comfortable. They can highlight some glaring issues with peoples politics and lack of inclusivity, ironic as that is.
Most Pride events have gotten co-opted by corporate capitalist interests anyways, so I don't feel like I'm missing much
Maybe that's just my Marxist dystopian point of view *sips espresso*
Gimme some of that joe, because I'm so sick of big corporations commercialising us and co-opting our spaces to push their products. I'm not interested in how 'inclusive' your Skittles are, bruh, I just want to not be threatened in public spaces and I want equal job and healthcare opportunities. A lot of big corporate interests are counter-intuitive to that so I'm not interested in their participation, because it is paying lip service to inclusivity rather than genuinely helping. Even more often is the selling of inclusivity to cis straight people through these products so that 'you too can be inclusive by using our products!'. Which is, like, the complete opposite of what should be happening and just and endemic of the actual problem. Now THAT'S my Marxist dystopian point of view.

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As a fortysomething cis white bi guy who's been happily and monogamously married to a woman for more than 20 years, I don't exactly feel welcomed by a small but vocal minority in the LGBTQ community, either. I've been accused of being a "tourist."
I will identify as bi when it comes up, but most people pretty much assume I'm straight because I blend into the patriarchy.
I've found myself internalizing a lot of that "tourist" rhetoric since figuring out I was bi back in November. My husband knows, and I think one of my friends might have seen my post on this board, but I haven't come out to anyone else because it hasn't come up and I'm a very private person. Between that, being monogamously married to a man, having never had an experience with a woman, and being demisexual (thus not having a lot to go on in the way of sexual attraction), I find my brain being a jerk and chiming in constantly on the matter.
Well, are you really sure you're bi? Yes, brain, I am. Remember the time we had a crush on our coworker for years? And the college friend for years before that?
But it doesn't count, you're married, no one knows, you might as well be straight anyway... Doesn't change the fact that it's true, brain. And the Internet knows, and the person to whom it matters most, and others will know in time.
But is it really true...? Shut up, brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-Tip.
There's a whole lot bigger problems that others face, I'm well aware, and some tiny part of me even feels guilty that I get exempted from the burdens many others experience. But being raised super-sheltered and religious, I didn't even really get non-heterosexuality until I got well into college, and it's taken long enough for me to get to the point where I can accept who I am. Having my own brain fighting me on it is annoying. :P

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It looks like the latest issue of Marvel's "Angela: Asgard's Assassin," reveals that her traveling companion, Sera, is a trans woman.
This is Sera. (That's not where we learn about her. She tells her backstory later in this issue.)
Issue #3, which came out this week.
2 year old necro but I finally read this series (and Witch Hunter 1602 and the sequel to Asgard's Assasin, Queen of Hel).
All 3 are f$&~ing awesome. I absolutely love Angela and Sera.