Well considering how women are treated in Westeros, and how borked Stannis's head is now, what she thinks doesn't matter that much. I think Mel has pretty much got Stannis wrapped up with Shireen's burning.
Didn't Mel promise Stannis a son? Given her powers, she is likely to be able to fulfill that promise (perhaps one of the reasons he was willing to sacrifice Shireen). Sansa can't give him that kind of guarantee. I think if Stannis takes Winterfell, he is going to put everyone to the sword (Bolton, Stark, guilty, innocent, man, woman, child) given the sacrifice he made he is not going to be inclined to pick and choose.
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I believe the 'son' was the shadow assassin.
Her vagoo is dark and full of terrors.
From a show perspective I think it is no accident that Brienne is here in the North, does not bode well for Stannis.
Well, got that right.
Stains certainly had it coming especially after last episide.
You're all thinking it. Right now.
LMAO, otherwise almost all of next season is going to be a big mystery!
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Well that escalated quickly.
Darn it Brienne! You had ONE JOB!!
So what is going to stop Jaime from taking a little Pyrrhic victory on Trystane?
Time for Cleganebowl?
as for Martin, while Gaiman is correct that he is under no obligation to write faster, he does seem to have distractions such as
His art gallery
Theatre
Football games
Convention appearances
Blogging
Editing other people's works
I still have to give the big middle finger to The Watch. Right now, I'm rooting for Team White Walker. I mean, they take in abandoned babies and make them awesome. If the Watch want to make The Wall the hill they die on then so be it. Maybe after the Ice Spiders climb up they will have a big 'Oh noessss!"
I've been dreading that moment since I read the book.....NOOOOOO!!!!
Only 42 weeks until the next episode....
*sigh*
So that was in the book? Man, I did NOT see that coming!!!
And, what the heck happens to Sansa after her last scene???
How much more is there in the books before we get into the unknown territory in which the producers will need to start relying on Martin's secret outline of the story's conclusion?
Certain parts of the story have already hit it. I don't think anything in the books is more than a scene or two ahead of the show now, at best.
Unknown. That's a change from the book and that was where it ended.
So that was in the book? Man, I did NOT see that coming!!!
And, what the heck happens to Sansa after her last scene???
How much more is there in the books before we get into the unknown territory in which the producers will need to start relying on Martin's secret outline of the story's conclusion?
Certain parts of the story have already hit it. I don't think anything in the books is more than a scene or two ahead of the show now, at best.
Unknown. That's a change from the book and that was where it ended.
Agreed. In some instances gone past the books.
So that was in the book? Man, I did NOT see that coming!!!
And, what the heck happens to Sansa after her last scene???
How much more is there in the books before we get into the unknown territory in which the producers will need to start relying on Martin's secret outline of the story's conclusion?
Well I think Either Reek knows that there is something to land on or in that will spare them.
Personally, all of Dorne could have been cut so there could have been more on the Winterfell fight. I actually wanted something to happen, an exciting siege and fighting through the halls.
I believe given the epic snowfall they've been having its about 15 feet of fine white powder.
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I...I don't know what to think about that ending or the EW interviews with the producers and Kit after the episode. I don't know if I am being trolled by the showrunners or if I need to flip every table in Michigan right now.
The leak stuff about John warging are no doubt a troll.
Bah. Tyrion was neat as always and having him and Varys take shots at each other will be neat.
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The TV incarnation has been trolling the book readers with regards to the Stark kids=Wargs angle..
It gave us the teaser of Arya "seeing" Ned's beheading through the eyes of the birds flying overhead. Yet we never got the scene where she sees her mother's corpse through the eyes of Nymeria. Now that she's blind, it remains to be seen if she'll
So, TV Arya (and by extension TV Jon) are either not Wargs, or the writers are successfully playing book knowledge against itself.
Very disappointing that Thorne was the first stabber.
For the Republic
really disappointed with this episode (except Arya), nothing advanced beyond the books, and cliffhangers again
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as for Martin, while Gaiman is correct that he is under no obligation to write faster, he does seem to have distractions such as
His art gallery
Theatre
Football games
Convention appearances
Blogging
Editing other people's works
He is also working on new TV shows.
He did say he is pulling back on the appearances to work on the book. I heard he wants the book out right before the new season next year.
I agree with Gaiman, but only when the writer says they are putting out 1 book. Its a different deal when a writer sayd they are working on a series. Then IMO they need to get them out a decent pace.
The leak stuff about John warging are no doubt a troll.
Bah. Tyrion was neat as always and having him and Varys take shots at each other will be neat.
Its not a troll, its a well supported theory from the books. It might still happen either on the show and/or in the books.... or not. But there's good reason to believe that it will. I'd put it as the second most likely thing to happen.
The leaked stuff was actually from a troll...because it was based on three images leaked from the show, but the one image involving Jon was photoshopped to indicate something that doesn't happen on the show.
I...I don't know what to think about that ending or the EW interviews with the producers and Kit after the episode. I don't know if I am being trolled by the showrunners or if I need to flip every table in Michigan right now.
Given the show's increased body count as compared to the books, I'd start looking for tables. I'd stick to the mitten though; the way I hear it, those yoopers are worse than wildings!
Olly and Arya need to meet , marry, and have a horde of sociopathic children to just SCARE the white walkers back over the wall.
ZOMG, Dolorous Edd wasn't at the stabbing! Never mind Mel, Edd could, like, stumble over his body and nurse him back to life, and Ser Allister would be so ashamed of himself, that, um, I guess he'd, like, blame it all on Ollie and let Mel burn the kid at the stake, or something?
. . .
Sometimes, it gets sort of hard to find a happy ending for the TV series, but a few more minor characters have survived thus far in the books.
In his dire wolf. When a warg dies, his soul goes into a nearby animal. (Strong wargs can even take over people). I don't think its named "ghost" JUST for its white fur.
Melisandre might res him. Red priests have been shown to have that power before. Bonus: since he died, his watch ended, and he can honorably try to become warden of the north
He comes back from the dead, Just like cold hands. Being a sworn brother of the nights watch and staying true to your vows makes it possible to keep your free will if you're raised.
I was just thinking, Legally, who's the king now?
Robert is dead
Renly is dead
Stannis is dead. His daughter is dead.
... On the show, Gendry's the king now isn't he?
In the books it would be Harry the Heir if they follow events similar to the show.
Gendry is currently paddling away in his boat somewhere
Mel might not survive Davos long enough to do anything.
Even with the NW hate against Jon, Edd seeing all those WW rising has to have some traction. Still want the NW to get eaten by ice spiders though, which makes it very annoying that the Boltons are the only real defense against the WW. No North Remembers, Frey Pie or northerners wanting to split open a Bolton and feel the blood splashing on their face.
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I was just thinking, Legally, who's the king now?
Robert is dead
Renly is dead
Stannis is dead. His daughter is dead.... On the show, Gendry's the king now isn't he?
In the books it would be Harry the Heir if they follow events similar to the show.
Book and TV series alike, it would appear that the War of the Five Kings has ended rather conclusively in favor of the extant monarch in King's Landing; then again, they haven't really handled the Iron Isles on TV, have they?
Look, don't ask me, I don't trust genre conventions (or even the previously established plot, for that matter) when it come to Game of Thrones!
As likely as Ramsey NOT flaying someone.
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I was just thinking, Legally, who's the king now?
Robert is dead
Renly is dead
Stannis is dead. His daughter is dead.... On the show, Gendry's the king now isn't he?
In the books it would be Harry the Heir if they follow events similar to the show.
Book and TV series alike, it would appear that the War of the Five Kings has ended rather conclusively in favor of the extant monarch in King's Landing; then again, they haven't really handled the Iron Isles on TV, have they?
Look, don't ask me, I don't trust genre conventions (or even the previously established plot, for that matter) when it come to Game of Thrones!
While Tommen may have "won" the War of Five Kings by attrition, could one argue that Daenerys is still the rightful ruler of Westeros? If not, then I think the Iron Throne should go to Ser Pounce. ;)
Show ends with everyone except Tyrion and Varys who sit by the Iron Throne and trade quips and reminisce. The camera pulls back to show The Night's King and his wights approaching the throne room.
Tyrion:Well I have a belly-full of wine but am several decades away from eighty and no women left. I guess one out of three isn't that bad.
Or there's one woman left , he decides to go out in true Tyrion Lanister fashion, his pants start glowing...
"... It DOES have magic powers!"
While Tommen may have "won" the War of Five Kings by attrition, could one argue that Daenerys is still the rightful ruler of Westeros? If not, then I think the Iron Throne should go to Ser Pounce. ;)** spoiler omitted **
I was just thinking, Legally, who's the king now?
Robert is dead
Renly is dead
Stannis is dead. His daughter is dead.... On the show, Gendry's the king now isn't he?
In the books it would be Harry the Heir if they follow events similar to the show.
Book and TV series alike, it would appear that the War of the Five Kings has ended rather conclusively in favor of the extant monarch in King's Landing; then again, they haven't really handled the Iron Isles on TV, have they?
Look, don't ask me, I don't trust genre conventions (or even the previously established plot, for that matter) when it come to Game of Thrones!
Yes, but let me just say that "rightful" is a fuzzy-edged concept in Westeros, to say the least.
Wonder how they will handle, if ever, the Bolton/Aerie forces as per Littlefinger's plotting.
1.Aerie forces win due to being fresher or the Bolton's becoming stupid. LF tries to find Sansa.
2.Due to the stunning Bolton victory, LF's forces must dig in for a siege against the only slightly depleted Bolton's.
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Darn it Brienne! You had ONE JOB!!
She's had several, actually. And she's failed at every one.
Worst. Employee. EVER!
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I was just thinking, Legally, who's the king now?
Robert is dead
Renly is dead
Stannis is dead. His daughter is dead.... On the show, Gendry's the king now isn't he?
In the books it would be Harry the Heir if they follow events similar to the show.
I would go with saying that the question is moot now. Tommen will be succeeded by whoever violently overthrows him. If House Baratheon is indeed extinct, Daenerys could be the rightful heir to that house -- but she would not claim the throne on that basis since she has no reason to accept the original Baratheon claim.
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I would go with saying that the question is moot now. Tommen will be succeeded by whoever violently overthrows him. If House Baratheon is indeed extinct, Daenerys could be the rightful heir to that house -- but she would not claim the throne on that basis since she has no reason to accept the original Baratheon claim.
Well, we've been losing lanister kids at a rate of one per season oro, so an invading army isn't the only way we can find out if ser pounce wants to weigh in on the succession or not.
I was thinking the Arryns might be given the actual plotline that Stannis in the book has...
I Think that Show stannis has the same plotline as book stannis, the show has just moved ahead a little bit.
Book version of The Watch came off actually more tragic in the book. All The Watch has is their oath. No family or future and Jon keeps breaking the oaths. They were actually crying that they did it, not this what-is-that-face-you are making thing from Ollie
Doesn't look like they burned him. Would be kind of ironic if zombie Snow had to choke a runt.
I was going to say that stabbing him made no sense after the wildlings were already through but with stannis dead
-He has no support. Before the battle, if They'd killed stannis' pet Lord commander and he'd won, he probably turn north and kill them.
-The only army left in the north is the boltons... who would have hated him BEFORE he aided the person trying to overthrow him.
The watches only hope is that the boltons will accept johns snow murder as a show of good faith.
Its not a very GOOD hope with the boltons, but it is one. Hopefully the irony will make up for the lack of flesh peeling.
ZOMG, Dolorous Edd wasn't at the stabbing! Never mind Mel, Edd could, like, stumble over his body and nurse him back to life...
Edd was busy taking Teddy Salad Ghost on walkies.
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ZOMG, Dolorous Edd wasn't at the stabbing! Never mind Mel, Edd could, like, stumble over his body and nurse him back to life...Edd was busy takingTeddy SaladGhost on walkies.
Ghost dragging dolorus ed back to the keep at a run before tearing alister thorn and others limb from limb would be a great season opener..
Or..instead of resolving the various cliffhangers, we get the time-skip. THREE YEARS LATER!
How much more is there in the books before we get into the unknown territory in which the producers will need to start relying on Martin's secret outline of the story's conclusion?
Arya: More or less caught up, save a couple of moments.
Bran: The books are a tiny bit further forward.Jon: Caught up with the books.
Samwell: About a book behind, but I strongly suspect the show will skip most or all of his book story and may pick up with him much later.
Brienne/Pod/Stannis: Unknown, as their story is now totally different.
Jaime/Bronn: Also unknown, their story is totally different as well.
Theon: Almost caught up, but Theon's story is now going to be different due to Stannis's fate.
Yara/Iron Islands: Way, way behind the books. According to rumour, the Iron Islands plot from Books 4/5 will feature in Season 6 instead.
Daenerys: Caught up.
Tyrion: Appears to now be ahead of the books.
Cersei: Caught up.
Kevan/Pycelle: A little bit behind the books.
The presentation is really poor in the show.
Show
Stannis swept aside with trifling loses for the Boltons and they are stronger than ever
The North Remembers not even worth talking about
Boltons-Freys are pretty much the major players now
Book
Infighting inside Winterfell that forces Roose to kick some out to fight Stannis.
Ghosts of Winterfell wrecking morale
Frey Pie
Lady Stoneheart
Northern Houses marching on the Boltons to aid Jayne Poole/Not-Arya and one guy even left his house because 'The last thing I want to do is split open a Bolton and feel their blood on my face.'
House Bolton wins? Well everyone still hates them and the North is wrecked so enjoy starving to death/being White Walker chow.
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The Books left what was happening with stannis vague. The presentation isn't "poor" its gone ahead of the books because the books didn't GO anywhere.
Yea, but SHOWING that the Bolton's position is perilous before things hit the fan would have been better. The whole 'Twenty Good Men' has hit meme status with a no tension and easily done mission to wreck Stannis. A suicide mission by Bolton forces to wreck chaos, 5 minutes tops, leave out the Sand Snake slap fight.