Considering how many plots are going around,(resulting in shorter scenes, stuff cut) maybe it would have been better to just try for a more original/alternate universe GoT? I am aware that Martin has made sure the producers know the outline of the story in case he keels over before finishing the series.(This is known as Gecko Ending/Overtaking the Original on TvTropes) So instead of having to cram everything in, things can flow better.
I find it ironic that the entire Brienne trek in AFfC dealt with killing off a few (admittedly nasty) relatively insignificant guys... when ASoS was quite clear that murdering precisely these people was of no real consequence.
I think next year will have better ratings and will get more people hooked into GOT than before even though the books that cover next season in my opinion were not as good. More Romance and suffering!!
I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.
And then there was his hyper-over-descriptiveness, I don't need 6 pages describing the layout of the room, what books on the shelf, and the curtains on the windows. Highlight the important aspects and lets move on with the plot.
Agreed with others that 7-9 are not good and that Mat is the best character in the entire series.
Personally I think he was a much better world-builder than storyteller.
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I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.
And then there was his hyper-over-descriptiveness, I don't need 6 pages describing the layout of the room, what books on the shelf, and the curtains on the windows. Highlight the important aspects and lets move on with the plot.
Agreed with others that 7-9 are not good and that Mat is the best character in the entire series.
Personally I think he was a much better world-builder than storyteller.
Plus all the yanking on braids.
From the preview of the season finale it seems that...
Someone's getting a visit on the loo as revenge.
Arya and the Hound will meet Brienne (and Pod) and she, Brienne, will kill the Hound (there's an interview on YouTube where she talks about a scene where she got to bite off an ear, that could easily be this battle), that's the scene with Oathkeeper being drawn and, presumably, the Hound rolling down a hill.
Stannis will show up in the North and kill a lot of Wildlings.
Jon will meet Mance, but that's hardly a surprise.
How far they'll advance Bran's story is difficult to tell, as the scenes with them don't reveal much, apart from the visions we've seen already.
However, the episode IS called The Children... which can have several meanings. Dany's dragons (which could also mean that they'll be chained in the episode, her "heartbroken" look could point to that too). The Children of the Forest. Tyrion/Tywin.
And my guess... Lady Stoneheart might be the very last scene, to end on a WTF note for those who haven't read the books - although that isn't in the preview.
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I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.
According to an interview back in the day, he modeled his female characters off his wife...
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I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.According to an interview back in the day, he modeled his female characters off his wife...
His wife must be a horrible person. I strongly dislike evrry single female character in the novels, sans Min and Birgitte.
His wife must be a horrible person. I strongly dislike evrry single female character in the novels, sans Min and Birgitte.I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.According to an interview back in the day, he modeled his female characters off his wife...
Lets not go insulting people on such flimsy grounds?
From the preview of the season finale it seems that...
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It's Harry in the books, and he only has a claim to the Vale, not the whole Seven Kingdoms.
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Nope. He's Robert's heir. Linky
In the series he's even more open about whats going to happen to robin than he is in the books.
First, I hope you see the irony in using a Song Of Ice And Fire Wiki link to argue a point against Werthead.
Second, read the link more carefully - Harry is hair to the sickly child Robert, son of Jon Arryn - not Robert Baratheon king of the Seven Kingdoms. Harrold's claim is to the Vale.
I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.According to an interview back in the day, he modeled his female characters off his wife...
If that's accurate then I truly feel sorry for the man.
IIRC, one of the season 4 trailers HBO ran had a shot of Brienne being burned at the stake.
As far as Wheel of Time, I heard Robert Jordan's wife was his editor on his later books. No conflict of interest there.
I am pretty sure that was from the beginning of the season, when Melissandre was burning unbelievers, and has nothing to do with Brienne.
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Lets not go insulting people on such flimsy grounds?His wife must be a horrible person. I strongly dislike evrry single female character in the novels, sans Min and Birgitte.I love the Wheel of Time mythology and the overarching story of the series...but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen. He could've learned a thing or two from Joss Whedon about writing strong female characters who aren't complete as*holes/utterly unlikeable. Not all women are condescending brow-beaters, Robert.According to an interview back in the day, he modeled his female characters off his wife...
People do it on flimsier grounds. Plus if he really based all his female characters on his wife, that is rather idiotic. He could have at least based some on some other women.
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People do it on flimsier grounds. Plus if he really based all his female characters on his wife, that is rather idiotic. He could have at least based some on some other women.Lets not go insulting people on such flimsy grounds?His wife must be a horrible person. I strongly dislike every single female character in the novels, sans Min and Birgitte....but Robert Jordan was one of the worst writers of the female gender I've ever seen.According to an interview back in the day, he modeled his female characters off his wife...
It's also possible that Jordan could attempt to model his female characters off of his wife, yet lack a grasp of how females realistically think and act/react... that wouldn't be any kind of reflection on his wife (or other female family and friends).
Edit: And since this thread is supposed to be about the GoT TV show, maybe we should move the Jordan/WoT discussion to the existing book thread?
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It's Harry in the books, and he only has a claim to the Vale, not the whole Seven Kingdoms.
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Nope. He's Robert's heir. Linky
In the series he's even more open about whats going to happen to robin than he is in the books.
First, I hope you see the irony in using a Song Of Ice And Fire Wiki link to argue a point against Werthead.
Second, read the link more carefully - Harry is hair to the sickly child Robert, son of Jon Arryn - not Robert Baratheon king of the Seven Kingdoms. Harrold's claim is to the Vale.
Of course, Harry might be hairy, but he's not actual hair. He's the heir to Robert.
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I loved the whole panning around the entire castle yard in one shot.Me too! The explanation of how they did that was quite interesting: each quarter had set moves for the actors/stuntmen to do, and were set in motion just before the camera rotated to them. They also had transional actions that went between quarters so that the movement looked fluid when seen from the camera lens' limited view.
John Snow kicks arse! My wife remarked that he looked sexier in character than the actor does out of character (but still in costume, so he 'looked' identical). I couldn't possibly comment.
The Scythe!
Just want to address that last part. I just saw episode 9 and I'm with you that it was amazing. That Scythe scene though was both awesome and hilarious. All I could think about was the conversation between the 2 wildlings in the foreground
"Whelp, didn't see that coming"
"Bob. We might want to rethink this whole climbing thing."
"I really shouldn't have lent Steve my lucky spear."
Una hora until the crap hits the fan.
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Good finale. But I am very surprised no Stoneheart.
I think Benioff & Weiss have heard the joke: "How do you keep a A Song of Ice and Fire fan in suspense?"
Yeah, I really enjoyed the finale too.
Didn't expect the skellies, but they and minute meteors-/magic stone-wielding Leaf/CotF were pretty awesome. I had clued in that Jojen's end was going to change from the books when he had the vision of his hand on fire back at Craster's Keep, but I figured the writers would let one of the dragons do the deed. This way was better, and probably a better death than the one inevitably coming in the next books.
I was skeptical the Brienne vs. The Hound change from the books would work, but I thought it was great, even better than The Red Viper vs. The Mountain. I have also been expecting that the writers would have Arya mercifully kill off the infected Hound, but I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad Arya had the choice of going with someone like Brienne that she seemed to admire, and she still turned it down to seek her own (much darker) path. Maisie Williams was great with that cold implacable stare listening to him ask for mercy... and then just coldly taking his coinpurse and leaving him to slowly die.
I wished the writers had included the reveal of the truth of Tysha, if not from Jaime than at least from Tywin. I was also hoping the writers would allude to the fan theory that Tywin's "blockage" was due to a slow-acting poison from Oberyn, but oh well.
My only real complaint is having to wait until Spring 2015(!!!) for more episodes.
9 hours to go over here...
Harry is hair to the sickly child Robert, son of Jon Arryn - not Robert Baratheon king of the Seven Kingdoms. Harrold's claim is to the Vale.
hmmm.. did i get him and Gendry mixed up? I thought he had an acknowledged bastard in the family tree.
The plan still works though. The north + the vale= victory.
Poor Gendry is still rowing in circles off the coast of Dragonstone. He probably waved for help from Stannis the Mannis' fleet when they left but they didn't see him. Maybe soon he'll wash up on a small island with a volleyball to keep him company.
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Everything gets better with shakycam, you know?
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Everything gets better with shakycam, you know?
They need a new level of hell for shakycam.
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The one thing that I didn't like in the finale was how the Brienne Hound fight was shot. Lots of very quick fast shots. I had a hard time keeping up.
Well, it's highly physical. Plus easier to keep the control of the choreography that way.
All in all, I liked the season ending.
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Happy Father's Day, Tywin!
HAHAHAHAA
I was kind of bummed we didn't get the Tysha reveal. It would have been one thing if that had never been mentioned on the show, but Tyrion mentioned this stuff in season one. Also we seemed to get a reversal of Cersei and Jaimie's relationship that...kind of came out of nowhere
Hoping we do get LS next season...but it also might very well be something cut from the show, for various reasons.
Completely fine with the addition of the Hound vs Brienne fight, and Jojen's early death.
Is it me or is Mance the only king with the judgement to run a fast food restaurant, much less a kingdom?
Speaking of Tywin:
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Was it me or was that the best skeleton battle since Jason and the argonauts?
Gotta believe if you dont die on camera then you can come back. I still think theres plans for a certain character down the line. Not buying a story told by another later on.
Everything gets better with shakycam, you know?They need a new level of hell for shakycam.
As long as they don't use slow-motion I'm happy.
Edit: And since this thread is supposed to be about the GoT TV show, maybe we should move the Jordan/WoT discussion to the existing book thread?
Yes, please.
What character.
I believe he's referring to the one with an even meaner brother.
I did love the fight. It was knock down, brutal, no holds barred and probably the most realistic depiction of people in armor trying to kill each other thats been on tv.
The Producers said they cut the LS storyline because they don't know what to do with it yet. Not kidding. Forgot where I read that, so no link. (Check EW or Warming Glow)
I learned something today. I learned that seeing a woman kicked in the privates makes me cringe just as much as seeing a shot to the beanbag.
The Producers said they cut the LS storyline because they don't know what to do with it yet. Not kidding. Forgot where I read that, so no link. (Check EW or Warming Glow)
They didn't think to ask?