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Hama wrote:
Man all of my female friends won't stop raging and b&$!%ing on their facebook wall. Had to unfollow a lot of them.

about viper vs mountain or what?

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Yep.


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To be fair, the Mountain was pretty hot; I can understand being upset about him getting stabbed. :P

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Nah. They all have hots for Oberyn.


Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing ends with the Walkers burning everything to the ground while Littlefinger laughs on the Iron Throne. Probably be for the best considering.


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Wow...Neil Marshall really delivered on the battle last night.


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I loved the whole panning around the entire castle yard in one shot.


GentleGiant wrote:
I loved the whole panning around the entire castle yard in one shot.

Me too! The explanation of how they did that was quite interesting: each quarter had set moves for the actors/stuntmen to do, and were set in motion just before the camera rotated to them. They also had transional actions that went between quarters so that the movement looked fluid when seen from the camera lens' limited view.

John Snow kicks arse! My wife remarked that he looked sexier in character than the actor does out of character (but still in costume, so he 'looked' identical). I couldn't possibly comment.

The Scythe!

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Man, did he kill him with that smith's hammer. That was BADASS!


No doubt Hama! Definite Crit in effect. He must've rolled one hell of a Fortitude Save to avoid being knocked out by the anvil face smash too.


thmash the thins! thmash em!


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This had to be my favorite episode ever. Really captured the feel. I loved the giant with the longbow…

Couple of changes from the books, though….

Book and Episode Spoiler:

Grenn and Pyp survive in the books, and are key in ensuring that Jon is elected Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Since the show killed both of them off, it should be interesting to see what the show runners do with that.


Awesome Giant archer is awesome.

It explains how ANYONE got hit with arrows on top of a thousand foot high wall...


Considering how the books and series have gone I wouldn't be surprised at the end that

Speculation:
Littlefinger ends up on top and the remaining Starks and their allies all die in various ways. Considering a tagline has been 'If you think this will have a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention.' it would be very appropriate

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Andrea1 wrote:

Considering how the books and series have gone I wouldn't be surprised at the end that

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If littlefinger ends up on top that would be a happy ending for me. Hes my favorite character!
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The ending will be the evil queen Sansa seizing control.


Andrea1 wrote:

Considering how the books and series have gone I wouldn't be surprised at the end that

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Littlefinger ends up on top and the remaining Starks and their allies all die in various ways. Considering a tagline has been 'If you think this will have a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention.' it would be very appropriate

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On another discussion board, someone put forth the theory that Littlefinger's machinations lead to the collapse of the Westerosi nobility and feudalism. Out of this horribly bloody chaos a proto-democratic republic eventually is eventually formed. Making BBE Littlefinger the person that brings down the current abusive system for something much more equitable and a huge "Greater Good" would be right in line with Martin's sensibilities.

But then I also think Dany succumbs to her bloodline's insanity and has to be killed before she can take the Iron Throne.


This is what i think litlefingers play is

Set the 7 kingdoms at war.

He takes over the vale, which is kind of like being australia in risk.

He marries sansa to harry the heir, who has a claim to the throne of westeros. That gives him the vale and the north, an alliance nothing left standing in the 7 kingdoms can withstand. ]

Off harry, marry sansa, BOOM! King of the 7 kingdoms and he gets to marry the second best thing to Catlin Tully.

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I think you mean Robin.


It's Harry in the books, and he only has a claim to the Vale, not the whole Seven Kingdoms. And yes, it's likely Harry won't be in the TV show at all and they'll simply use the idea of a Sansa-Robin betrothal instead.

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The fact of the matter is, he has an obligation as a PERSON, not a writer, to keep to his promises. If you can't keep a promise, don't MAKE a promise.

It's worth noting that at no point, ever, did GRRM 'promise' to deliver the fifth book a year after the fourth. Even in the afterword he says it's a hope, as the fifth book is "nowhere near done." People read a bit more into that than the author ever intended.

I also find it bemusing that an author taking five years to write books that are five times longer than the average novel (80-100,000 words) is in any way controversial. It may be worthwhile criticising the author for not planning things better to have tighter novels, or for being overly optimistic when the situation behind closed doors is not great (certainly the case on ADWD, especially in the first couple of years), but raging at someone for not being able to churn out 420,000+ words in a few months is quite unrealistic. ADWD is almost as long as LotR in its entirety, and it took Tolkien 10 years to write (and 17 to produce in total) that novel.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

He takes over the vale, which is kind of like being australia in risk.

LOL - Australasia, the zerg rush time bomb of Risk.


This week's episode is going to be 66 minutes long. That's 10 extra minutes of bloodletting!

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justmebd wrote:
This week's episode is going to be 66 minutes long. That's 10 extra minutes of bloodletting!

So thats where the missing ten min from last week went!


Werthead wrote:


I also find it bemusing that an author taking five years to write books that are five times longer than the average novel (80-100,000 words) is in any way controversial.

It's not longer than any of his contemporaries.

I'm of the opinion that if Robert Jordan can put out a novel every 2 years or so, of similar length (if not more!) on his deathbed, GRRM should be able to do it given 3-4 at least.

And I'm quite certain Tolkien wouldn't have taken ten years on LotR if he'd had a computer. Apples and oranges comparison there.


The writing process isn't some sort of assembly line thing...it's different for every person, and what works for one author may not work for others.

Personally I am okay on waiting 5 or so years. Yeah, it would be great if I could get a GRRM book, but I would rather have him spend the time and produce a good then something rushed or crap.

The great thing is...there are plenty of authors and books out there, enough that I will never finish every book out there I am interested in before I die. So it's not like I don't have other books to fill my time before Winds of Winter is released.


Susanna Clarke took 10 years to write Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell -- on a computer. But she had no advance from a publisher at that time, no fans, and she created a complete masterpiece that didn't need sequels.

Apples and pipe wrenches, maybe.


Werthead wrote:

It's Harry in the books, and he only has a claim to the Vale, not the whole Seven Kingdoms.

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Nope. He's Robert's heir. Linky

In the series he's even more open about whats going to happen to robin than he is in the books.

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Rynjin wrote:
Werthead wrote:


I also find it bemusing that an author taking five years to write books that are five times longer than the average novel (80-100,000 words) is in any way controversial.

It's not longer than any of his contemporaries.

I'm of the opinion that if Robert Jordan can put out a novel every 2 years or so, of similar length (if not more!) on his deathbed, GRRM should be able to do it given 3-4 at least.

And I'm quite certain Tolkien wouldn't have taken ten years on LotR if he'd had a computer. Apples and oranges comparison there.

Yeah, but WoT books numbering 7 to 9 were terrible aside from Mat Cauthon chapters. 10 was pretty crappy too.


AGOT is hitting a similar parabolic Slowing of the action. Books 3,4, and 5 were each supposed to be half of a book with the other half "right around the corner"

Oh write george, write like the wind...


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justmebd wrote:
This week's episode is going to be 66 minutes long. That's 10 extra minutes of bloodletting!

And it has a lot of ground to cover. I'm a little worried that some of the expected season cliffhangers might actually be pushed to the start of the next season.

I want everything now!

Spoilers. For everything. Seriously:

Arya finds the head of the Statue of Liberty on the beach and realizes she's been on Earth all along!

No, but seriously, what I'd expect:

* Stannis' intervention in the north (from the episode description, this seems to be pretty much guaranteed)
* Jon Snow's meeting with Mance (as a precursor to the above. Here's hoping that they don't decide to write this as Jon negotiating a peace and Stannis screwing it up. Stannis needs his moment in the sun.)
* Tyrion dealing with both Shae and Tywin (hopefully including a brief hint to the Mountain's fate. I think people would appreciate knowing that Oberyn wasn't entirely unsuccessful).
* First appearance of Lady Stoneheart. Frey hangings optional. This is actually the major point for me, and would make a great final moment of the season.
* Arya abandoning a dying Hound.

This is a lot of major plot elements to stuff into one episode, and I'd worry that they would kinda be diminishing each other's impact if everything was in.

So probably some of these plot threads will be left unresolved? Maybe. Maybe not. I look forward to seeing what they come up with.


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Well they have said this is their biggest finale ever, but I am also concerned if even 66 minutes is enough time. Don't forget it appears we also are going to get the chaining of dragons this episode. And Bran meeting the Three-eyed Crow. And hopefully some sort of Ironborn scene establishing Balon's death (I think I have seen clips that indicate all of these scenes are in the finale)

Also wondering what the odds are of seeing Lady Stoneheart. She is well set up, and I really really want her in the show, but I could also see her dropped if the actress didn't want to return to the role. We really need a WTF moment to end the episode with, which we didn't really get last season.


to Slaunyeh: I think many of the things on the list can be crammed into less than 60 minutes

1 combined with 2 is 15 minutes with 1 minute or less of insert character

3 Also 15 minutes

4 fate of X is a about 1 minute

5 your final moment wish is less than 1 minute and i agree it should be then last scene

6. Arya about 3 minutes

that leaves 20-25 minutes of other big scenes. Should cover all


Hama wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Werthead wrote:


I also find it bemusing that an author taking five years to write books that are five times longer than the average novel (80-100,000 words) is in any way controversial.

It's not longer than any of his contemporaries.

I'm of the opinion that if Robert Jordan can put out a novel every 2 years or so, of similar length (if not more!) on his deathbed, GRRM should be able to do it given 3-4 at least.

And I'm quite certain Tolkien wouldn't have taken ten years on LotR if he'd had a computer. Apples and oranges comparison there.

Yeah, but WoT books numbering 7 to 9 were terrible aside from Mat Cauthon chapters. 10 was pretty crappy too.

At least they were COMPLETE, and bad, instead of HALF FINISHED and bad.


Rynjin wrote:
Hama wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Werthead wrote:


I also find it bemusing that an author taking five years to write books that are five times longer than the average novel (80-100,000 words) is in any way controversial.

It's not longer than any of his contemporaries.

I'm of the opinion that if Robert Jordan can put out a novel every 2 years or so, of similar length (if not more!) on his deathbed, GRRM should be able to do it given 3-4 at least.

And I'm quite certain Tolkien wouldn't have taken ten years on LotR if he'd had a computer. Apples and oranges comparison there.

Yeah, but WoT books numbering 7 to 9 were terrible aside from Mat Cauthon chapters. 10 was pretty crappy too.
At least they were COMPLETE, and bad, instead of HALF FINISHED and bad.

I told myself I Wasn't going to wade in to this, but . . . . Here I go.

I walked away from WoT after Book 9. I literally opened the first page of Book 10, read it -- stopped -- flipped to page 2, and then said, "Nope, I'm out."

Don't regret it for a moment. The story had run off the rails in Book 7.

I actually quit ASOIAF once (Red Wedding), but was compelled to pick it up again. The person who compelled me to do that, I think, might be one of the several dozen people who actually like Book 4.

I thought Book 4 was an absolute disaster. I did read Book 5 voluntarily and thought it was better, but saw no reason why it took so long to come out. This series also has run off the rails, the question is if Martin can bring it back home.

To break it down a little further, I thought the Red Wedding happened too early in the series, and that's why the story ran off the rails. You lost most of the good guys and Jaime wasn't far enough along in his redemption arc to really be a "good guy" yet. I think he might be there now as Book 5 wrapped.

The Brienne Storyline in Book 4 should've been cut and published separately as an E-book, or something. That would've condensed the book enough to keep the Current Book 5 chapters in Book 4 where they belonged.

The Cersei storyline for Book 4 also could've lost a chapter or three.

Don't get me started on Dany's storyline. Far more people have explained the problems with that storyline, I don't need to repeat them here.

As for "What does Martin Owe us?"

. . . . Nothing, really. I think he has an unspoken obligation to finish the series, but he doesn't owe it to us. I'm just Happy Stephen King finished The Dark Tower series.

My 2 cents. Carry on!!

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justmebd, read book 10 of WoT by reading only Mat chapters. Then, book 11 is awesome and books 12 through 14 are ok. Cause Jordan didn't really write those maybe unfortunately, and maybe fortunately. But Mat stays awesome through the entire series.


King didn't end the Dark Tower books. He closed the loop.


The scene with the Seanchan attacking the White Tower alone is worth reading that book.


Personally I liked 10, and thought the rest of the series more than made up for 7-9 being so God. Damned. Sloooooooooowwwwwwww.


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Lena Leadey twittered a pic that is a pretty much 'yes' to Lady Stoneheart appearing.


Rynjin wrote:
Personally I liked 10,=

So you're a fashion designer then?

*ow owowowowowowowow* monks hit fast *owowowowowowowowowow*


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Personally I liked 10,=

So you're a fashion designer then?

*ow owowowowowowowow* monks hit fast *owowowowowowowowowow*

Nynaeve is fabulous and don't let anybody tell you different.


Rynjin wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Personally I liked 10,=

So you're a fashion designer then?

*ow owowowowowowowow* monks hit fast *owowowowowowowowowow*

Nynaeve is fabulous and don't let anybody tell you different.

I liked her earlier appearances, where her good judgement, resourcefulness, and determination warranted her prickly personality.


I really, sincerely hope that how WoT ended is not actually what Jordan had planned. Because it sucked.


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Poor Brienne ;(

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Just saw the picture. Oh wow. :D


Kryzbyn wrote:
I really, sincerely hope that how WoT ended is not actually what Jordan had planned. Because it sucked.

How so?


During the whole series the Dark Lord was evil. He was a bad, bad being. He did horrible things to people that were loyal to him for the slightest failure.

But then...:
But suddenly in the last book, he's just a misunderstood dude that really just wants to add a little more chaos to the world. And he and Rand jsut have a heart to heart to end the war.

And after 12 books of build up, its the suck.


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That's...not how I read it at all. He wasn't a "misunderstood dude who wanted to add a little chaos" he was an evil, terrible being who was trying desperately to CONVINCE RAND that his approach had some merit.

While it did come out that either extreme (no Evil vs no Good) was just as bad as the other (supposedly, it's quite possible that that was another of Shai'Tan's lies that Rand felt had just enough of a possibility of being true that it wasn't worth risking), at no point did I get the impression that Shai'Tan was anything other than an omnicidal being who may or may not have been convinced that what he was doing was right, but was certainly manipulative enough to spin it that way.

And after the build up of Shai'Tan basically being a cosmic entity, impossible to truly destroy, it couldn't really come down to a straight up fight, there had to be something else involved. It would have been poor writing if Rand had ended up just blasting him to death or something.


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I didn't get that from it at all. He came a across more as a used car salesman, not the ultimate bad thing in the cosmos. It acted like "Oh you're here! Let's chat a bit while the kids play" like this is what its goal was all along, and the original Dragon was just stupid for trying to actually defeat it.
He could have told Lews Therin back then "Wait, no, we're supposed to chat. Have a seat."


Mikaze wrote:
Just saw the picture. Oh wow. :D

Yeah that's a pretty strong hint. It's no guarantee though. :) But I really do hope they kickstart that storyline by the end of this season, rather than during the next.

And yeah, I suppose they could fit everything into 66 minutes, I'm just worried it would feel rushed. It's a lot of major plot elements to cover. But I'm no screenwriter so maybe they can and it will work out great! Just a few more days before we know! :D

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