Dazylar |
Can I just say thank you to everyone for putting spoiler tags around the things that those of us who have watched the show but have yet to read the books don't know about yet.
It's much appreciated.
And for once the UK isn't far behind the US in showing the latest episode, so I might be able to join in on the conversation!
CapeCodRPGer |
Pan |
Wow that episode was amazing
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Arya's laugh was entertaining. I'm left wondering where they are going with this though? Will the hound's infection eventually kill him? Are they planning to abandon Arya's story?
Darth Sansa LOL. I didn't like the departure from the book on this. Littlefinger plans everything and always weighs his options. Pushing Lyssa out the moon door without any way to play it seemed rash and very out of character. Things will be considerably different now that Sansa is outed.
Looks like from this episode they are no longer worried about following the GRRM's works too closely. This could be good or bad. So far the replacement scenes are not wowing me to the point I think they have value. Still a great show and look forward to more. Hopefully they have some more twists planned ofr us.
justmebd |
MMCJawa wrote:Wow that episode was amazing
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My hunch is they're laying the groundwork to condense Book 4&5 next season.
And let's face it, if you're in the camp that I'm in (Book 4 was a disaster), then anything different has a good chance of being better.
Hitdice |
They've just gone all over the place with the timeline: John and the wildlings, and Arya and the Hound haven't yet reached the end of book three; Theon/Reek's first scene in book five is getting cleaned up for negotiations, and Dani doesn't actually rule in Mareen until that book..
All of which is my way of saying I think you're right, Justmebd, but I always figured they'd have to do something like that; I can't see them choosing to keep Dani, John and Tyrion off-screen for an entire season, no matter how the books dealt with the plot-bloat.
Hama |
No they haven't gone all over the place. Martin has. The things happening in the show are happening at the time that they show it. PoVs are from different timelines in the novels.
Hitdice |
Oh, forgive me: given that Martin is the author of the original work, the TV adaptation has changed the the order of the events as written in the novels, but it's in accordance with the real timeline, which existed on Westeros before Martin decided to change it in his description of actual events. :P
MMCJawa |
MMCJawa wrote:Wow that episode was amazing
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At any rate, I think Lyssa attempting to throw Sansa out the moon door was the straw that broke the camel's back on the show. I think she is done relying or having faith with other people entirely, and I think she realizes Littlefingers motivations towards her completely (and maybe even pieced together his role in starting the War of 5 Kings).
Pan |
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Slaunyeh |
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Am I the only one that thought the beetle discussion was the best part of the episode? That wasn't in the books.
I've seen a lot of people complaining about the pointlessness of that scene, wanting them to have cut it to devote more time to the fighting. Personally, I really liked that scene. It was a moment of bonding between two brothers who haven't had nearly enough scenes together. I'm glad they kept it in.
Shadowborn |
Shadowborn wrote:Am I the only one that thought the beetle discussion was the best part of the episode? That wasn't in the books.I've seen a lot of people complaining about the pointlessness of that scene, wanting them to have cut it to devote more time to the fighting. Personally, I really liked that scene. It was a moment of bonding between two brothers who haven't had nearly enough scenes together. I'm glad they kept it in.
I agree, it's good to see it. Jaime's road to redemption suffered a bit of a setback with that rape scene a few episodes ago. Also, there was a deeper meaning to the conversation, I think. It was a metaphor, and Jaime unknowingly hit on exactly what Tyrion was leading to with his story when he said (paraphrasing) "Why care about beetles when men and women are killed by the scores and hundreds every day in this realm?" That's Tyrion's point. People are the beetles, mindlessly killed for whatever mad, inscrutable reasons the people in power have to do so.
baron arem heshvaun |
I rather agree with Neil Gaiman's quote regarding people telling him to hurry up.
As Neil Gaiman eloquently put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your biitch."
Arnwyn |
MMCJawa wrote:I rather agree with Neil Gaiman's quote regarding people telling him to hurry up.As Neil Gaiman eloquently put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your biitch."
Indeed. And true.
I've solved that particular problem for myself. GRRM (or any other author) does not get a single red cent of mine until he/she/they finish whatever series they're working on.
Hey, Gaiman/GRRM - I'm not your "biitch", either. See my money? Not for you.
Rynjin |
MMCJawa wrote:I rather agree with Neil Gaiman's quote regarding people telling him to hurry up.As Neil Gaiman eloquently put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your biitch."
Expecting him to have something done by the time he said he'd have it done, and not 5 years later, is not saying he's my "b~!~&".
It's saying that he shouldn't make promises he's not even going to ATTEMPT to keep.
GentleGiant |
Hama |
baron arem heshvaun wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I rather agree with Neil Gaiman's quote regarding people telling him to hurry up.As Neil Gaiman eloquently put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your biitch."Expecting him to have something done by the time he said he'd have it done, and not 5 years later, is not saying he's my "b+$*+".
It's saying that he shouldn't make promises he's not even going to ATTEMPT to keep.
Still, he doesn't owe you anything...
CapeCodRPGer |
Expecting him to have something done by the time he said he'd have it done, and not 5 years later, is not saying he's my "b%$~#".
It's saying that he shouldn't make promises he's not even going to ATTEMPT to keep.
I agree. It's one thing if a writer says he is coming out with a book and it comes out and it's great and everyone is happy. It is quite another thing when a writer says he is coming out with a series of books and starts to drag his ass getting them out after he gets the advance payment from the publisher.
Rynjin |
Rynjin wrote:Still, he doesn't owe you anything...baron arem heshvaun wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I rather agree with Neil Gaiman's quote regarding people telling him to hurry up.As Neil Gaiman eloquently put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your biitch."Expecting him to have something done by the time he said he'd have it done, and not 5 years later, is not saying he's my "b+$*+".
It's saying that he shouldn't make promises he's not even going to ATTEMPT to keep.
He owes his publisher, and yes I do think an artist "owes" his audience.
He wouldn't be raking in the boatloads of cash he does without said audience, and keeping them happy by, I dunno, writing the book within a reasonable timeframe is just smart.
Hama |
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Hama wrote:Rynjin wrote:Still, he doesn't owe you anything...baron arem heshvaun wrote:MMCJawa wrote:I rather agree with Neil Gaiman's quote regarding people telling him to hurry up.As Neil Gaiman eloquently put it, "George R.R. Martin is not your biitch."Expecting him to have something done by the time he said he'd have it done, and not 5 years later, is not saying he's my "b+$*+".
It's saying that he shouldn't make promises he's not even going to ATTEMPT to keep.
He owes his publisher, and yes I do think an artist "owes" his audience.
He wouldn't be raking in the boatloads of cash he does without said audience, and keeping them happy by, I dunno, writing the book within a reasonable timeframe is just smart.
No, no he doesn't. The only reason you read his books is because you enjoy reading them.
Smart, yes. To owe it, however...heck no.Rynjin |
No, no he doesn't. The only reason you read his books is because you enjoy reading them.
Smart, yes. To owe it, however...heck no.
And I can't enjoy reading them if they don't exist.
The fact of the matter is, he has an obligation as a PERSON, not a writer, to keep to his promises. If you can't keep a promise, don't MAKE a promise.
Marc Radle |
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Shadowborn wrote:Am I the only one that thought the beetle discussion was the best part of the episode? That wasn't in the books.I've seen a lot of people complaining about the pointlessness of that scene, wanting them to have cut it to devote more time to the fighting. Personally, I really liked that scene. It was a moment of bonding between two brothers who haven't had nearly enough scenes together. I'm glad they kept it in.
Absolutely! We actually re -watched that scene again because it was so awesome!
GentleGiant |
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Hama wrote:Unforeseen circumstances. Maybe he meant to finish it sooner.And that justifies a delay of a year, at most.
Not several. And not when your other plans seem to be going off without a hitch.
Well, you can rest assured. You (or pretty much anyone else) ranting and raving about it isn't going to make the process go faster or slower. ;-)