Pathfinder Lost Omens: Gods & Magic

I hope that Ragathiel will be in this source book.

How nice that the cover was updated!

Is this book still supposed to have a table giving basic info for nearly all of the known deities?

Is that the Starstone I see, surrounded by the remains of wannabe gods?

Is that the Starstone I see, surrounded by the remains of wannabe gods?

According to the Gen Con presentation where they first showed this cover -- Yes!

Is this book still supposed to have a table giving basic info for nearly all of the known deities?

Not nearly all, but there's a bunch of them. Somewhere around 150.

January, oh, when will you arrive?

January, oh, when will you arrive?

Probably just after December. Hopefully before February.

Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:

January, oh, when will you arrive?

Probably just after December. Hopefully before February.

You mean it's not happening until NEXT YEAR???

Fumarole wrote:

Is that the Starstone I see, surrounded by the remains of wannabe gods?

According to the Gen Con presentation where they first showed this cover -- Yes!

I always imagined it much, much, Much! bigger.

FIngers crossed for

- Naderi
-Zyphus
- Kurgess
- The Eldest

and a new favorite of mine since I got the 1e book for fluff purposes: Mrtyu.

As someone who loves basically every god in Pathfinder, I'm sure I'll miss the absence of some, but like anyone I hope to get a lot of my old favorites. This is my most anticipated book of the edition.

Hoping the Psychopomp Ushers will be in here. Have a cleric of Barzahk I'd love to bring over to the new edition.

I always imagined it much, much, Much! bigger.

Yeah, I was picturing it as large as a house!

Maybe it's a Tardis, and bigger on the inside? :)

will the Avatar 10th level spell be given additional entries for the additional deities in this book?

David knott 242 wrote:

Is this book still supposed to have a table giving basic info for nearly all of the known deities?

Not nearly all, but there's a bunch of them. Somewhere around 150.

We have nearly 55 main fiend deities (demon lords, horsemen, archdevils and queens of the night) as well as 55 empyreal lords.

It seems there won't be room for as many gods as there was in the Inner Sea Gods' tables. Going back to that book, there are more than 150 deities listed on the appendix, far more if we include the harbinger, infernal dukes and the nascent demon lords - excluding them there are nearly 155.

I suppose we won't be seeing rules for demigods like demagogues, tormentors, ranas and immortals, as well as outer gods and great old ones, and the likes. They are minor entities to the main setting, I would say, so that's plausible.

How many there are total listed in archive of nethys?(-1 for minus Folca since he isn't coming back as far as we all know :p)

My personal hope is for Nurgal, Yamatsumi, Hei Feng, and Arshea. Definitely Nurgal and Arshea.

Hoping the Psychopomp Ushers will be in here. Have a cleric of Barzahk I'd love to bring over to the new edition.

Same. I really liked Mrtyu and the other Psychopomp ushers from the book plus I liked that Protean weirdo whose domain includes slang. I wanted to make a cleric who says things like "Yeet your javelin at that polecat daddy-o!"

My personal hope is for Nurgal, Yamatsumi, Hei Feng, and Arshea. Definitely Nurgal and Arshea.

If we're getting a fair handful of empyreal lords, I feel like Arshea is a given. They're a fan favorite and I think got at least a direct mention in Stafinder's CRB.

Hopefully that's not wishful thinking!

I see they added the freelancer names to the product page. Hope you all enjoy my first Paizo contributions!

Awesome!

I can hardly wait until there is more art shown.

I see they added the freelancer names to the product page. Hope you all enjoy my first Paizo contributions!

Congrats!

I'm excited for my first Lost Omens work to come out.

Ooh, new from Klaher! Here's art of Abadar himself.

I gotta say, that art makes Abadar look a LOT less generic, which can ONLY be an improvement! He's always kind of suffered being "the boring god" from my observation.

(-1 for minus Folca since he isn't coming back as far as we all know :p)

AND GOOD RIDDANCE TO HIM! >:(

To be honest, most of the Golarion gods, in my opinion, are kind of meh. Only a few, in my opinion, have any interesting aspects to them.

To be honest, most of the Golarion gods, in my opinion, are kind of meh. Only a few, in my opinion, have any interesting aspects to them.

Eh its about tastes. I actually feel that way about D&D gods.

Seriously. The Forgotten Realms equivalent of Shelyn is...not great. Not sure why she's even considered good aligned.

Seriously. The Forgotten Realms equivalent of Shelyn is...not great. Not sure why she's even considered good aligned.

In older editions (3rd and before) Sune was definitely good aligned. I have no idea what they did to her recently though.

Oh yeah, she's still CG. Granted, it's been a minute since the last time I looked and can't exactly read my sources right now, but the characterization offered was just really petty and kind of mean.

Wow, another killer cover; I love it, a LOT, IMO that may even be the most gorgeous Paizo cover to date! :)

Wow, another killer cover; I love it, a LOT, IMO that may even be the most gorgeous Paizo cover to date! :)

I agree.

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Cthulhusquatch wrote:

Desna as a Great Old One? Haha I like her.. but I'd like her even more then.

Desna is, by all the evidence, an ancient, alien, insectoid being from beyond the stars who visits people in their dreams.

She's never been technically stated as a Great Old One, and indeed she's among their greatest foes, but Alignments aside she has more in common with them than she does with most other Gods.

The 'friendly Great Old One' interpretation of her is really easy to buy into, and makes a whole lot of sense, even if it isn't 100% canonical.

Desna is indeed an alien entity who's kind of "adopted" the humanoid form in response to her delight in how we humans look and act. She's not from "outer space" even though she enjoys outer space—she pre-dates sapient thought/mortal life in the Material Plane, along with some of the other really REALLY ancient deities.

She's not a Great Old One, though. She's a full-fledged deity who doesn't get a stat block. Nor is she an Outer God, because she actively cares for and likes and wants to help us people.

If Desna were in Lovecraft's stories, she'd be classified along with Nodens as an Elder God, I suppose.

Is Desna older than the current multiverse?

I'm, huh... Asking for a friend.

James Jacobs wrote:

Deadmanwalking wrote:

Cthulhusquatch wrote:

Desna as a Great Old One? Haha I like her.. but I'd like her even more then.

Desna is, by all the evidence, an ancient, alien, insectoid being from beyond the stars who visits people in their dreams.

She's never been technically stated as a Great Old One, and indeed she's among their greatest foes, but Alignments aside she has more in common with them than she does with most other Gods.

The 'friendly Great Old One' interpretation of her is really easy to buy into, and makes a whole lot of sense, even if it isn't 100% canonical.

Desna is indeed an alien entity who's kind of "adopted" the humanoid form in response to her delight in how we humans look and act. She's not from "outer space" even though she enjoys outer space—she pre-dates sapient thought/mortal life in the Material Plane, along with some of the other really REALLY ancient deities.

She's not a Great Old One, though. She's a full-fledged deity who doesn't get a stat block. Nor is she an Outer God, because she actively cares for and likes and wants to help us people.

If Desna were in Lovecraft's stories, she'd be classified along with Nodens as an Elder God, I suppose.

Is Desna older than the current multiverse?

I'm, huh... Asking for a friend.

Nope.

Curious. I'd assumed Mythos-adjacent creatures were the ones Outside.

Curious. I'd assumed Mythos-adjacent creatures were the ones Outside.

Outer Gods and Great Old Ones exist apart from the cycle, yes, but Desna is neither. She's ancient and wasn't human shaped at the start, but she's not an Outer God or a Great Old One. That's mostly a (very amusing but inaccurate) theory is all.

In any event, the Windsong Testament entry I wrote a few weeks back locks in her as being one of the first 8 deities in this iteration, so that by definition means she's not older than that.

Got that. Last question about the subject: Are Great Old Ones and Outer Gods the only creatures to exist apart from the cycle? Your words earlier indicate that all Outer Gods are somewhat inimical to human(oid) life (or noxious, to use a term that doesn't imply conscious malice), and I want to know if they are the only ones who keep going from one multiverse to the next.

Manasaputras theoretically also do, but I think there was never any confirmation of their pre-multiversal incarnations in-setting, only in the "general" rules.

Got that. Last question about the subject: Are Great Old Ones and Outer Gods the only creatures to exist apart from the cycle? Your words earlier indicate that all Outer Gods are somewhat inimical to human(oid) life (or noxious, to use a term that doesn't imply conscious malice), and I want to know if they are the only ones who keep going from one multiverse to the next.

Manasaputras theoretically also do, but I think there was never any confirmation of their pre-multiversal incarnations in-setting, only in the "general" rules.

They are at least not the only creatures from outside the multiverse, I think?

Got that. Last question about the subject: Are Great Old Ones and Outer Gods the only creatures to exist apart from the cycle? Your words earlier indicate that all Outer Gods are somewhat inimical to human(oid) life (or noxious, to use a term that doesn't imply conscious malice), and I want to know if they are the only ones who keep going from one multiverse to the next.

Manasaputras theoretically also do, but I think there was never any confirmation of their pre-multiversal incarnations in-setting, only in the "general" rules.

There are others, like the manasupturas, yes. Not many though.

Curiosity has gotten the better of me. Since the cover focuses on the Starstone deities, will this address the mystery of the 12 seals on the entrance of the Starstone Cathedral (of which only 3 are fulfilled)?

Curiosity has gotten the better of me. Since the cover focuses on the Starstone deities, will this address the mystery of the 12 seals on the entrance of the Starstone Cathedral (of which only 3 are fulfilled)?

Ooo...

Now that raises an interesting question or two. Was Starstone Cathedral moved to Absalom Station, or just the Starstone itself? If the latter, what happened to the twelve seals? If the former, how many of the seals have been fulfilled by the time of Starfinder?

I think the explanation is obvious enough. 12 mortals were fated to ascend using the Starstone (sans Aroden), but the death of prophecy *might* have messed that up.

Or it might not have. My questions stand.

Or it might not have. My questions stand.

It's nevertheless obvious enough for most, and some of your questions are answered in the write ups of Absalom Station.

I am enjoying reading this thread.

Out of curiosity, is this book only going to have Divine spells and feats, or will it include spells and feats from all the traditions of magic? Even if it's only Divine stuff in this book, that would still be cool, since the Divine list needs the most help by far.

Out of curiosity, is this book only going to have Divine spells and feats, or will it include spells and feats from all the traditions of magic? Even if it's only Divine stuff in this book, that would still be cool, since the Divine list needs the most help by far.

I watched the Know Direction interview with James, and it looks like this book is pretty much about Gods, with a minimal input on the magic side. I could be wrong, and it could have just been the dino geeking out over pantheonic systems (which I understand), but I wouldn't expect there to be any needle-moving magic. Maybe a few rituals.

There are spells for all four traditions of magic in this book. They are in the form of new spells for general use and new focus spells from the new domains featured in this book.

I like new spells! Will there be deity specific spells now?

There are spells for all four traditions of magic in this book. They are in the form of new spells for general use and new focus spells from the new domains featured in this book.

Thank you for the clarification!