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Love all the feedback so far, but I'd love it EVEN MORE if folks did reviews for the book. Traditional wisdom in the industry is that with each monster book published they're less and less "useful" or whatever, and one of my goals with Bestiary 6 was to try to show that there's essentially an endless stream of monster potentials to keep a line going forever.
So, if you do love the book, please drop a review about it. For that matter, if you hate the book, drop a review too; just make sure to explain (preferably in a non accusatory way) what disappointed you about the book so we can keep that in mind as a potential way to improve future books.
I can't really speak for anyone else, of course, but I literally never get tired of more monsters. When I get a new AP installment, I flip immediately to the bestiary; the adventure can wait! So please keep making Bestiaries.
What are the highest-level CRs in the book? Thanks! :-)
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I'm sure they are Baalzebub, Mephistopheles, Charon, Vorklops and the avatar of Yog. CR 30.
I'm sure they are Baalzebub, Mephistopheles, Charon, Vorklops and the avatar of Yog. CR 30.
Thanks, Gold! That sounds pretty cool. Are they fairly easy to advance? I've got a party in my campaign that's 34th to 36th level.
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I do not own a copy of the book yet, so I can't say how easy it is to advance it. Tawil at'Umr, the avatar of Yog, was previewed in a blog post here.
Yog-Sothoth's avatar, Tawil at'Umr, is said to be the strongest monster ever statted in a bestiary by paizo. One of its abilities was previewed in aforementioned blog post, and it allows Yog-Sothoth to recreate his avatar immediately after it is killed.
I think it was needless to say that Tawil at'Umr would be the strongest creature in the bestiary, as it is an avatar of a true god.
Are they fairly easy to advance?
It'd be as easy as advancing any other creature in Pathfinder. Pathfinder's advancement rules are the same for all monsters.
I like the fact that Arshea can slap Ragathiel around.
Easily one of the best things about this Bestiary
I have never been satisfied with the Empyreal Lords since Bestiary 4, and from what was previewed they seem to be the most uninteresting demigods in the book...
I love their lore and all, specially Cernunnos and Black Butterfly (from the ones already statted), but when it comes to stats... u.u'
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Hmm, wonder if the Bonethorn was inspired by Splinter?
That was my thought. Although the Bonethorn is still pretty different from the Splinter monster. Although to be honest, the creature in Splinter might be in the realm of The Thing as just being way too mechanically complex to easily stat up.
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I have never been satisfied with the Empyreal Lords since Bestiary 4, and from what was previewed they seem to be the most uninteresting demigods in the book...
I love their lore and all, specially Cernunnos and Black Butterfly (from the ones already statted), but when it comes to stats... u.u'
The stats are fine. Good powers are wimpy and require some actually competent jaded amoral CN sellswords to do the job ... for a substantial reward, that is.
The stats are fine. Good powers are wimpy and require some actually competent jaded amoral CN sellswords to do the job ... for a substantial reward, that is.I have never been satisfied with the Empyreal Lords since Bestiary 4, and from what was previewed they seem to be the most uninteresting demigods in the book...
I love their lore and all, specially Cernunnos and Black Butterfly (from the ones already statted), but when it comes to stats... u.u'
Agreed. Some people compared the Empyreal Lord mental stats to those of the Demon Lords and found them low.
But in a world where Baphomet has an Int of 37 and Xoveron, Dagon and Kostchtchie are 24-25, it's hard to read Vildeis' backstory and not think her Int of 18 was considerably overselling it. She's like functionally Feebleminded. Say what you will about the knuckle-headed smash all-of-the-things Demon Lords, they never threw a childish tantrum over the universe not being the way they wanted and put out their own eyes.
Korada has a decent Int (25) and a sky high Wis and Cha, as you'd expect for an Empyreal Lord smart and wise enough to distance himself from the foolish schemes of his peers and just chill out.
Zohls is supposed to be so smart that she finds it hard to talk to her peers. I figure her Int is about 28. Maybe B7 will let us know.
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Hmm, wonder if the Bonethorn was inspired by Splinter?That was my thought. Although the Bonethorn is still pretty different from the Splinter monster. Although to be honest, the creature in Splinter might be in the realm of The Thing as just being way too mechanically complex to easily stat up.
*nods*
Yeah. Great movie btw.
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"Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
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"Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
I can assure you today that there is no cultural or mythological support for the idea that good deities can live again after being killed. Having good demigods the only one-and/done type is right and proper.
I can assure you today that there is no cultural or mythological support for the idea that good deities can live again after being killed. Having good demigods the only one-and/done type is right and proper."Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
Holy Jesus, are you sure about this...? XD
Could anyone pop in any news on the troop rules and types of units please?
Our Ironfang game starts this friday and really want to see how it differs/alters/adds from Lands of Conflict book or is it just additional troop types only in this book?
Thanks
Tom
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I can assure you today that there is no cultural or mythological support for the idea that good deities can live again after being killed. Having good demigods the only one-and/done type is right and proper."Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
Right. Remind me what day it is again?
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Right. Remind me what day it is again?I can assure you today that there is no cultural or mythological support for the idea that good deities can live again after being killed. Having good demigods the only one-and/done type is right and proper."Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
Right? Today was the last day I thought someone would say this... XD
Last dino question: does the giga only have a bite attack or does it have some other natural attacks (claws, tail, etc.)?
Alas, still no Carnotaurus :(. Maybe the next one.
Would someone be kind enough to post what critters can be familiars?
Charon wearing or not wearing a hat seems small potatoes compared to all the catfolk and hobgoblin variances out there in Pathfinder art :P
Even Charon has bad hair days sometimes. Or he's in a happy enough mood he doesn't want to sulk around under that hoodie he's always wearing.
I like the redesigned Charon. And maybe if you're too poor to be buried with a gold coin over each eye, you can pay his fare with a really kickass hat?
I kinda want to give him a cigarillo and a spaghetti Western-style hat, and imagine him talking like Lee Van Cleef's Angel Eyes.
It's funny you should mention that character. I wrote up a high-level cleric of Hextor NPC based on him.
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It would be nice to one day see some CR26+ character/creatures that are the actual children of deities and mortal beings and/or monsters. I doubt that there will be in any in this book though.
It saddens me that not one of the true dragons has made it on a Pathfinder bestiary cover.
I would worry someone would mistake the book as being published by "the other guys".
There is nothing redundant about a physical copy.There is, if you are short on shelf space and/or aren't a fan of killing trees and/or don't run games at your home and are not fond of hauling 20 kg of books when you can have them all on a laptop/tablet/phone.
PDFs for the GM, hardcopies for the players because nobody needs to be looking at my laptop or tablet for X minutes just so they can make their character, figure out their spell list, write down their pet's stats, etc.
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Are there alternate abilities for the Apocalypse Horses based on what Horseman they're assigned to?
And also, any details on Trelmarixian? What are his unique abilities or things?
Yes, each of the Apocalypse Horses (White, Red, Black, and Pale) have a unique set of SLAs and a thematically linked breath weapon.
Trelmarixian (aka Hungry Hungry Horseman) has a lot of flavor text (adapted from BotD3), and as far as abilities go:
Wail of the Consumed: He can call upon the souls of those he has devoured and produce a wail, causing severe Wisdom drain in an area and stunning those who fail their save.
Swallow Whole: Despite being medium sized, he can eat anything up to Huge size, and any number of creatures can fit in his stomach (if a creature with no true set form that's basically an amalgamation of blood, bile, mucus, and soulstuff has a stomach per se). And trust me, you really, really -really- don't want to be stuck inside of him being digested.
Predecessor's Rage: Basically for a brief period he lets Lyutheria (the former Horseman of Famine who treated him as a protege and lover before he showed his love in the only way a daemon of famine can, by eating her) off her chains and empowers himself with her rage. She's always there talking him like "an aggressive, self-aware conscience", but he can utilize her fury about being subsumed for a period, though when it ends it takes a toll on him as well.
Also much stronger bite attack than would be standard.
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Man i love monster books!
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Right? Today was the last day I thought someone would say this... XDRight. Remind me what day it is again?I can assure you today that there is no cultural or mythological support for the idea that good deities can live again after being killed. Having good demigods the only one-and/done type is right and proper."Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
If they're not killed on their native plane outsiders get better.
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If they're not killed on their native plane outsiders get better.Right? Today was the last day I thought someone would say this... XDRight. Remind me what day it is again?I can assure you today that there is no cultural or mythological support for the idea that good deities can live again after being killed. Having good demigods the only one-and/done type is right and proper."Elemental Revival! Abyssal Resurrection! Hellish Resurrection! Empyreal... Empyreal...
Well son, when an Empyreal Lord dies, it... It dies."
Was something done about this?
Depends on the GM in Pathfinder. In 3.5 this was true but in Pathfinder it's kinda eh. There's a lot to support that Outsiders stay dead if they're killed on another plane but there's also stuff that keeps popping up that supports the old 3.5 interpretation.
There's more to support the "permadead if killed on another plane" interpretation so it's probably the safe bet.
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If they're not killed on their native plane outsiders get better.
The only time outsiders don't die is if they either have a specific ability which resurrects them, or they were a summoned (not called) creature.
Predecessor's Rage seems to bee an interesting and painful ability. =)
What's the size of each Horsemen? Are they all Medium creatures?
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Dude, thanks a bunch ^_^
Let's see
- They put all 4 Horsemen (fair enough since they are often grouped together)...
- ...but they also put all EIGHT Archdevils O_O Wow, impressive :D
- 3 Kaijus :D
- 5 clockworks O_O I... thought we had them all.
- 3 troops, great news ^_^ So far, troops were only presented in APs and campaign setting booklets, and with a quick review, we currently had 9 troops with stats (1 of which has 6 variations)
- 7 blights... which are quite powerful for oozes.
- 5 Wild Hunt creatures, nice :)
- Several reprints from the Occult Bestiary, that's neat ;)
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Let's see
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While you failed, don't worry, close to everything you said can't be taken as spoiler by now - excluding the exact number of clockworks and members of the wild hunt.
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** spoiler omitted **...Dude, thanks a bunch ^_^
Let's see
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While you failed, don't worry, close to everything you said can't be taken as spoiler by now - excluding the exact number of clockworks and members of the wild hunt.
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Fixed my post... Ugh... some boards have the spoiler tag in plural form X_X
I think it was needless to say that Tawil at'Umr would be the strongest creature in the bestiary, as it is an avatar of a true god.
Pretty sure I recall James, I think, saying that an Avatar of a god can be whatever CR. If it's the strongest (although I believe other CR 30s should be balanced with it), being a avatar of a god isn't the reason.
Don't know if this has been talked about yet.
On the cover there is a person with a beard in a boat. I could not find him in the book.
Is that supposed to be Charon of the Horseman with a different picture, or is that something else?
That's Charon. He just isn't wearing his hat. :)
That's Charon. He just isn't wearing his hat. :)Don't know if this has been talked about yet.
On the cover there is a person with a beard in a boat. I could not find him in the book.
Is that supposed to be Charon of the Horseman with a different picture, or is that something else?
James said that all the demigods in the upcoming Book of the Damned Hardcover are going to have new illustrations. So, maybe we are going to see "Bearded Charon" there. I myself am hoping for a detailed version of "Fancy Hat Charon".
What is a Deathsnatcher?
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What is a Deathsnatcher?
It looks like a 4-armed jackal-man with nasty necromantic abilities.