While we have a huge Jabberwock in the cover of the First World campaign setting, other than that, there was no confirmation/hint/tease about anything related to Carroll/Wonderland for neither of them.
Yet I think it's safe to assume that at least in the campaign setting we will have something about the existing Tanes - a Jabberwock owned by one of the Eldest or jubjub birds here and there.
Also, the Cheshire Cat would be cool as a Tane designed to spy, infiltrate, confuse, and ultimately defeat the enemies of the Eldest through intelligent (or possibly occult-based) methods.** spoiler omitted **
Is there any confirmation/hint/tease of Carroll/Wonderland critters popping up in this or the The First World book?
LOL. Thanks but I don't think it'll fit the bill. The Tane are supposed to be First Worldian weapons of mass destruction and a CR of 1/2 just doesn't fit the bill. Also my group's GM doesn't permit the use of any 3rd party Pathfinder product in our campaign. :(
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I like the "adorable fire breathing bondage bear" art better. Also magenta can be scary since the color of the creature trying to kill you doesn't really matter in how scary it makes it. Speaking of color, we need a monster that is plaid:)
I also like the original art better.
The new one looks like a Horned Devil a lot.
The Jabberwock and all the other "First World" monsters look a little "funny" too, yet they are deadly foes.
It's part of their appeal.
The new art is run of the mill, nothing special.
Hey, I am still looking for jester, clown, and mime based monsters;)
LOL. Thanks but I don't think it'll fit the bill. The Tane are supposed to be First Worldian weapons of mass destruction and a CR of 1/2 just doesn't fit the bill.
just wanna point this out, but if they typically came in packs of 30 a Cr 1/2 creature could be something of a threat. Not arguing for the example given, just saying their could be justification for a quick breeding or multiplying Thane of a lower Cr.
I also like the original art better.
The new one looks like a Horned Devil a lot.
I somehow seem to have missed the original art :(
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I also like the original art better.
The new one looks like a Horned Devil a lot.
I somehow seem to have missed the original art :(
Where is it to be found ?
Bestiary 2
I wonder if the two headed dragon is one of the 5 new true dragons. Maybe it is the one for chaos/the maelstrom:)
Hey, I am still looking for jester, clown, and mime based monsters;)
You want the Boogie Man monster then. It's got some nasty abilities and at CR 10 it should offer party of 4 PC's around 8th to 9th level a wonderfully scary time.
The art for the Boogie Man looks more like a circus ringleader and he doesn't have any clown, jester, or mime based/themed abilities.
I want the French/German mythology Hellequin in bestiary 6/7.
Of course Dragon doesn't want it, because it is my wish.
I wonder if the two headed dragon is one of the 5 new true dragons. Maybe it is the one for chaos/the maelstrom:)It's not. It's its own thing.
Is it from a mythology/folklore? Or is it called really two-headed dragon?
Kal,
Is that a Mythos term or just in general?
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The art for the Boogie Man looks more like a circus ringleader and he doesn't have any clown, jester, or mime based/themed abilities.
In fact, the bogeyman is an EXCELLENT choice as a clown stand-in. They don't all dress identically to the one in the art in Bestiary 6 (as we've shown several times in different illustrations of them in different adventures) and can absolutely dress in a clown type outfit. And personally, I see their deepest fear and striking fear as VERY on topic for clown-themed abilities.
It's true, though, that they don't do well as mimes.
I strongly doubt we'll ever put "clown" in a bestiary and I know we'll never put "mime" in a bestiary. Not only do these things work better as Profession skills, but the idea of clown as a specific monster, while an excellent and creepy one, is very modern. It feels too anachronistic to me to include in a book as a specific monster. It does NOT feel anachronistic to include a clown in an adventure, though. (Such a clown would be statted up as a bogeyman, or as a humanoid or whatever with class levels and stuff.)
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Is it from a mythology/folklore? Or is it called really two-headed dragon?I wonder if the two headed dragon is one of the 5 new true dragons. Maybe it is the one for chaos/the maelstrom:)It's not. It's its own thing.
Okay, okay... the internet wins, but only because my defenses are down 'cause I'm sick.
The two-headed dragon in Bestiary 6 is the CR 24 elder wyrm. Which is a non-unique singular dragon, a la the guardian dragon, shen, spine dragon, or wyvern. It has nothing to do with the Mythos (we don't use the "elder gods" part of the Mythos in Pathfinder).
The art for the Boogie Man looks more like a circus ringleader and he doesn't have any clown, jester, or mime based/themed abilities.
(shrugs) Make do with what you got I guess? Maybe you can find some 3rd party equivalent?
Thank you for the clarification, Mister Jacobs on that two headed non Mythos Dragon.
Is it from a mythology/folklore? Or is it called really two-headed dragon?I wonder if the two headed dragon is one of the 5 new true dragons. Maybe it is the one for chaos/the maelstrom:)It's not. It's its own thing.Okay, okay... the internet wins, but only because my defenses are down 'cause I'm sick.
The two-headed dragon in Bestiary 6 is the CR 24 elder wyrm. Which is a non-unique singular dragon, a la the guardian dragon, shen, spine dragon, or wyvern. It has nothing to do with the Mythos (we don't use the "elder gods" part of the Mythos in Pathfinder).
Wow, so, uh, are the elder wyrms supposed to be the wellspring from which all the Linnorms are descended from or are they actually Fafnheir's spawn instead? Or are they related to the gods in some manner (aka guardian dragons, behemoths, etc etc)?
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Wow, so, uh, are the elder wyrms supposed to be the wellspring from which all the Linnorms are descended from or are they actually Fafnheir's spawn instead? Or are they related to the gods in some manner (aka guardian dragons, behemoths, etc etc)?Is it from a mythology/folklore? Or is it called really two-headed dragon?I wonder if the two headed dragon is one of the 5 new true dragons. Maybe it is the one for chaos/the maelstrom:)It's not. It's its own thing.Okay, okay... the internet wins, but only because my defenses are down 'cause I'm sick.
The two-headed dragon in Bestiary 6 is the CR 24 elder wyrm. Which is a non-unique singular dragon, a la the guardian dragon, shen, spine dragon, or wyvern. It has nothing to do with the Mythos (we don't use the "elder gods" part of the Mythos in Pathfinder).
Elder wyrms are not linnorms, and are no more connected to linnorms than are shens, guardian dragons, wyverns, or any other creature with the dragon subtype. You'll need to wait for Bestiary 6 to be out to learn more, though!
Damn, I wasted my only answered question on a creature I really don't care for.
Rather would have asked a question on a creature I do find interesting.
Wow, so, uh, are the elder wyrms supposed to be the wellspring from which all the Linnorms are descended from or are they actually Fafnheir's spawn instead? Or are they related to the gods in some manner (aka guardian dragons, behemoths, etc etc)?
You would probably like to take a look at Ragadahn and also at what is to come about him in the First World campaign setting.
The linnorms in pathfinder came from the First World, and Ragadahn is one of the most powerful creatures from that realm - an Eldest. And also, he is the sole linnorm demigod. Probably the one who fathered them. Fafnheir, I believe, is just a really powerful unique linnorm.
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Well Fafnheir might be unique to Golarion but that might not be the case in the First World;)
Elder Wyrm, two headed dragon, CR24, nice. I can't wait to one day see dragons with a CR26-30.
Well Fafnheir might be unique to Golarion but that might not be the case in the First World;)
Elder Wyrm, two headed dragon, CR24, nice. I can't wait to one day see dragons with a CR26-30.
If we ever had stats for the demigod dragons fathered by Apsu in his ambulatory - and their existence is also an assumption based in the idea that his wyrmlings would carry a fraction of his divine spark.
At least now we have 3 CR 24 dragons. Guardian, Shen and the two-headed elder wyrm.
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So, speculation on which empyreal lords'll be in B6. My guesses:
• Ragathiel, because Dispater (his father) is in B6.
• Pulura, since's the most prominent in a previous adventure path (Wrath of the Righteous), and is one of James' favorites.
• Ashava, because she's another one of James's favorites, I'm guessing because of her similarity to Eilistraee.
And either:
• Black Butterfly, again, because she's one of James's favorites likely due to her connection to Desna.
or:
• Arshea, due either to popularity among the audience, or Paizo wanting to promote trans-inclusiveness.
Black Butterfly's kind of a flat character, and Arshea might be considered too risque for a hardcover, which is why I consider them either-ors.
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AR-SHE-A! AR-SHE-A! :D
I hope the Elder Wyrm has a connection to the first world.
I hope pathfinder base the Argopelter (fearsome critter) on a one-headed Demogorgon. Much smaller of course.
AR-SHE-A! AR-SHE-A! :D
I wonder -- if Arshea is published in a Bestiary, will we get a more benign version of the "Succubus in a Grapple" thread?
I'm still intrigued by the Wild Hunt, even more with the fact that they were said to be a new group of creatures. What type of creature is/are it/them? Fey? Outsider? Undead? I can't stop thinking about the possibilities!
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Extraplanar Undead Fey!
That just made my day, Rysky! XD
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Extraplanar Undead Fey!That just made my day, Rysky! XD
Plane shift back to your native plane!
There, now you just have an Undead Fey, no Extraplanar subtype. Consider your day UNMADE!
My moneys on an official "Phantom" type......
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I would be very disappointed if the Wild Hunt wasn't of the fey type.
Has the troop type appeared in Bestiaries yet?
Never before, the troops of goblins will be the first troop in a bestiary. Hope there are other goblinoid troops, like those of hobgoblins and bugbears. Especially hobgoblins, for the upcoming AP.
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The great thing about getting the troop rules in Bestiary 6 is that those of us making adventures can just reference the PRD. A few of us tried to get troop rules into Bestiary 5 so we wouldn't have to reprint the subtype each time a troop featured in a module or Adventure Path volume. Yay troops!
AR-SHE-A! AR-SHE-A! :D
I believe it's pronounced AHR-shey, but that came as a surprise to me too.
I wonder wich "old school monsters" made it in.
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AR-SHE-A! AR-SHE-A! :DI believe it's pronounced AHR-shey, but that came as a surprise to me too.
That pronunciation just makes me want chocolate.
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That pronunciation just makes me want chocolate.AR-SHE-A! AR-SHE-A! :DI believe it's pronounced AHR-shey, but that came as a surprise to me too.
May the magnimarian burlesque parlor temples spread the word of the host of delectation! May the swan maiden high priests praise the name of spirit of abandon! :D
Chocolate is now a verb? Okay.
Awhile ago I asked Mr. Jacobs if any "old school" monsters like the ravid, digester, or arrowhawke made it into B6. He said no to those but did say that some old school creatures made it in. Also said he considers none of the creatures I asked to be "old school".
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I am hoping there will be 4 empyreal lords, one for each type(agathion, angel, archon, and azata).
Agathions
1st choice- Halcomora
2nd choice- Bharnarol
3rd choice- Jaidz
Angels
1st choice- Ragathiel
2nd choice- Seramaydie
3rd choice- Pulura
Archons
1st choice- Ghenshau
2nd choice- Falayna
3rd choice- Tanagaar
Azatas
1st choice- Black Butterfly
2nd choice- Ashava
3rd choice- Picoperi