Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 6 (PFRPG)

My 3 kaiju will be Lord Varklops, Queen Vorgozen, and ether Ebeshra or Yarthoon wich ever is the closest to a Mothra-like one.

What I would love most to see in this Bestiary is all 8 of The Archdevils, a few of the Infernal Dukes, the 4 Whore Queens and the 12 Malebranche. All my love for the Legions of Hell. I've been waiting to see their power. Would also like to see a Hell Dragon.

In regard to the Four Horsemen what about the mysterious 5th horseman, The Oinedaemon, could it possibly appear as well??

Also been curious about something from the Behemoth Thalassic entry.... The Dread Leviathans.

Anything you can hint at James?

24 of the 233 projected monsters as denizens of Hell/Devils?! A bit greater than 10% of those monsters? No thank you. Stretch that over the next 3 Bestiaries, please! Far too much Hell focus there, in my opinion.

You go away for a while, and comeback, and everyone added over 500 posts. Heh. . .

So, I too, hope for more about coatls.

Well EltonJ, how long have you been gone?

Well EltonJ, how long have you been gone?

Concerning this thread? A month, maybe two. :)

Any reason why you were away from this thread for so long?

Maybe he decided to vacation in Ustalav, dragon.

In any case I agree with your Kaiju choices. :)

I actually wouldn't mind with Mythic Adventures unexpected power level to have an occasional creature or entity get up to CR 35. :-)

While it would be cool (because Mythic Adventures really ends up being +1 CR per tier instead of +1/2) , I don't think that the Paizo monster designers would invalidate the high-CR monster progression tables from Bestiary 4 and 5 and Mythic Adventures by increasing the table yet again.

Also, it would feel weird if Cthulhu wasn't the highest echelons of what you could fight in Pathfinder.

Personally, I'm a big fan of, "Throw more dangerous crap at the PCs then they can handle," as a solution to Mythic. For instance, why would you EVER let poor Cthulhu adventure alone when he could be accompanied by a half-dozen of his lovely star-spawn? >:)

CR 30 is the cap. Not gonna increase that. Part of having level limits and upper limits to PC progression is the simple fact that we CAN therefore set a "top tier" for monsters.

AKA: Don't worry about Cthulhu being overshadowed by CR 31 foes anytime soon.

Is it technically possible to have CR 30 monster with 10 mythic tiers/ranks?(I keep forgetting which one is for monsters) Or are mythic stuff included in challenge ratings over 20?

This is my list of the truly legendary foes I would like to see:

We're getting all 8 Archdevils, and while I don't know if the Eldest are statted up in it we are getting more information about them in here.

There will not be any Gigas in B6.

I would be more interested in dragons that represent Axis, the Maelstrom, and the Boneyard then just a whole bunch of celestial and fiendish dragons.

STYGIAN. LINNORM

There will not be any Gigas in B6.

Awww...:(

Wait...how do you know what's in the book already? o_O

We're getting all 8 Archdevils (...)

As Mephistopheles was already confirmed in the description, I was sad we wouldn't be seeing Beelzebub and Geryon - as, lore wise, they are probably the other CR 30 archdevils.

Now, how can Geryon even be stated? After reading his entry in Hell's Vengeance, I was already assuming he was a true god among Asmodeus's allies and would never get a stat block. I mean, he ate 812 demigods, and he can summon them.

I'm really excited right now. I didn't knew we getting them all was confirmed.

There will not be any Gigas in B6.

Really? How sad, my bronze cousin... :(

I'm curious about how they're going to handle the Munavri. Are they going to be appearing as they do in Occult Bestiary and Darklands Revisited, or are they getting a nerf? Because as is, they're way too overpowered to be a PC race for any but the most generous GMs.

I'm curious about how they're going to handle the Munavri. Are they going to be appearing as they do in Occult Bestiary and Darklands Revisited, or are they getting a nerf? Because as is, they're way too overpowered to be a PC race for any but the most generous GMs.

The munavri were never intended to be a common player race. They were designed to serve mainly as NPCS or as very rare characters for specific games (like those generous GMs). They are a 0-HD race more akin to svirfneblin or drow nobles in that sense.

Is it technically possible to have CR 30 monster with 10 mythic tiers/ranks?(I keep forgetting which one is for monsters) Or are mythic stuff included in challenge ratings over 20?

It's possible, yes.

STYGIAN. LINNORM

I've seen this pop up a few times, and need to drop a note from the office of expectation management.

Linnorms in Pathfinder are associated with the Material Plane and the First World. A linnorm associated with the outer planes (aka a Stygian linnorm) would be taking the monster type in a direction that isn't on-theme for us. So... it's probably not gonna happen.

For Pathfinder.

Those of you who are curious as to what I'd do in developing a Stygian linnorm should check out pages 84–85 of Dungeon Adventures #149. Give that critter a memory drain themed curse and it's more or less good to go! :)

Rysky wrote:

STYGIAN. LINNORM

I've seen this pop up a few times, and need to drop a note from the office of expectation management.

Linnorms in Pathfinder are associated with the Material Plane and the First World. A linnorm associated with the outer planes (aka a Stygian linnorm) would be taking the monster type in a direction that isn't on-theme for us. So... it's probably not gonna happen.

For Pathfinder.

Those of you who are curious as to what I'd do in developing a Stygian linnorm should check out pages 84–85 of Dungeon Adventures #149. Give that critter a memory drain themed curse and it's more or less good to go! :)

Ah fooie.

I see what you mean, but since they're spiteful and connected to bodies of water I thought the River Styx would be a perfect fit.

Will DEFINITELY check out that issue, Thankies!

Because the "no gigas" was the answer I got from James Jacobs when I asked if they were in the book.

Yep. I remember James saying that. Also I'm with Rysky. I guess we'll just have to convert the 3.5 version from Enemies of My Enemy from Savage Tide AP to get ourselves a fun linnorm.

Sacrilege, all linnorms are fun;)

Isn't there a song that goes like that, Dragon?

Because the "no gigas" was the answer I got from James Jacobs when I asked if they were in the book.

Nutbunnies. :(

Oh well, maybe some new celestials then (or perhaps ones featured in the Hell's Vengeance Adventure Path)?

I so want the Empyreal Lord Arshea to be in this! :D

Berselius,

I'm suspecting Arshea might show up.

What I really hope is that we get new "pantheons" in it as well, just like the Four Horsemen and the Archdevils, I hope we see some of the Psychopomp Ushers, the Elemental Lords, the Eldest... Maybe even an Asura Rana or a Rakshasa immortal.

There will be no elementals:( but now that we know the elemental lords are not actually elementals there is a chance.

So for CR26+ creatures we know that there will be...

8 Arch Devils
4 Horsemen
3 Kaiju
? Empyreal Lords

There will be no Azura, Rakshasa, Oni, Kami, and Inevitables.

There will be Proteans, Qlippoths, and Psychopomps. So there is a chance to get their demigod versions.

I mean, obviously Azura won't be in there. Unless they have a deal with Bethesda that we don't know about. :P

I have no idea what your talking about Seltyiel Fangirl.

I wonder if there will be any new outsider groups in this one.

I have no idea what your talking about Seltyiel Fangirl.

I think they're saying Azura is something different from an asura.

There will be no Azura, Rakshasa, Oni, Kami, and Inevitables.

There will be Proteans, Qlippoths, and Psychopomps. So there is a chance to get their demigod versions.

Thanks for the information Dragon, now I can redirect my expectations better, and that's something good.

I wasn't expecting for Proteans to make it into this bestiary, as we got four of them in Giantslayer and Hell's Rebels... Anyway, I just realized that we don't have any CR20+ protean to go against the other outsiders' champions.

Oh I see, I spelled Asura wrong, my bad.

It was also said there will be celestials but I don't know if he meant Empyreal Lords or standard celestials.

Berselius,

I'm suspecting Arshea might show up.

Gods I can only HOPE! Praise onto the Spirit of Abandon! :D

Little bummed there won't be a gigas or two after that teaser in Giantslayer, but oh well.

The problem with the gigases is that they're too big. As in, the combination of the wide artwork and the complex stats means that they would have been either 2 page entries or really frustratingly 1 page entries with some of their abilities and almost all of their flavor text gone.

On top of that, if we just reprinted the 3 in print and no others, I suspect gigas fans would have been disappointed. Which suggests we should have done all nine of the outer plane gigases. At which point at MINIMUM they're taking up 10 pages of text, or perhaps as many as 19 pages of text.

On top of THAT, the role of the gigas has diminished in need. When we first came up with the gigas idea back in Council of Thieves, the idea was that the gigas type would fill a missing swath of CR "slots" to make up a gap between the most powerful giants (at the time the storm giant at CR 13, if you don't count the relatively specialized and not-yet-in-a-hardcover rune giant) and the titan at CR 20 or thereabouts. But since then, we've more or less abandoned that idea and today have a wide range of giants all the way up to CR 20 (with a few more coming in Bestiary 6). So the conceptual niche and need for a gigas is lessened from a CR standpoint.

And on top of THAT, the idea of "most gigases being evil" and having already done the three big evil categories left us with not a lot of inspiration in-house for what to do with the remaining gigases, which by definition of the type had to be "less powerful"and "less common" than the three we've already done.

All of that more or less resulted in the passion and interest in-house for devoting any of the page count in Bestiary 6 to the gigas to be relatively non-extant.

Maybe later, but I gotta be frank—I sort of feel like we've said what we want to say about gigases, and personally I'm not all that interested or eager to spend much more time on them. Maybe sometime in the future there'll be the right product to get more info about them out there, but Giantslayer and its article may well have been it for the gigas.

As a result, it might be wise to think of the information in Giantslayer not as a "teaser" but as the main feature. No sequels are in development.

Thank God, I wouldn't survive another round of Fire Gigas, Frost Gigas, Hill Gigas and other such elemental/environment Gigas.

Thank God, I wouldn't survive another round of Fire Gigas, Frost Gigas, Hill Gigas and other such elemental/environment Gigas.

You wouldn't have had to endure such an attack, since gigases are based on planes, not terrains. But point taken, and the sentiment is one that's somewhat shared by enough folks here at Paizo that it made the decision to not include gigases more or less a no-brainer.

There are, in place of the gigases, several new giants in Bestiary 6 (of which two are reprints [shadow giant and tomb giant) and two are brand new [but I won't reveal what they are yet], and one of which, the mongrel giant, is a reprinted template that has been expanded to include information for ALL giant types in Bestiaries up to this point)..

Monkey goblins as a playable race? Tell me more about them. I want to add them, Vanara, Derhii, Xori, Charau-Ka, Girallon to a homebrew campaign in addition to regular monkeys and apes.

Thank God, I wouldn't survive another round of Fire Gigas, Frost Gigas, Hill Gigas and other such elemental/environment Gigas.

You wouldn't have had to endure such an attack, since gigases are based on planes, not terrains. But point taken, and the sentiment is one that's somewhat shared by enough folks here at Paizo that it made the decision to not include gigases more or less a no-brainer.

Eh, the elemental gigas and positive energy gigas do sound kinda dull. I'm far more interested in the Boneyard Gigas, Axis Gigas, Elysium Gigas, Nirvana Gigas, and Negative Energy Gigas (aka Necrophysician). I hope we those get stats down the line eventually. :D

There are, in place of the gigases, several new giants in Bestiary 6 (of which two are reprints [shadow giant and tomb giant) and two are brand new [but I won't reveal what they are yet], and one of which, the mongrel giant, is a reprinted template that has been expanded to include information for ALL giant types in Bestiaries up to this point)..

Ooooo...new giants...:D

Monkey goblins as a playable race? Tell me more about them. I want to add them, Vanara, Derhii, Xori, Charau-Ka, Girallon to a homebrew campaign in addition to regular monkeys and apes.

They're not really monkeys in that regard; they're jungle goblins who have long tails. They're in Inner Sea Bestiary if you want to see more info, but aren't really thematically in line with things like charau-ka and the like.

But I want elemental Gigas! They'd scare the crap out of my players when they're like "Frost Giants eh?" and out pour Frost Gigas instead.

But I do agree with Berselius, other planar ones would be nice.

Thassilonian Wizard wrote:

Monkey goblins as a playable race? Tell me more about them. I want to add them, Vanara, Derhii, Xori, Charau-Ka, Girallon to a homebrew campaign in addition to regular monkeys and apes.

They're not really monkeys in that regard; they're jungle goblins who have long tails. They're in Inner Sea Bestiary if you want to see more info, but aren't really thematically in line with things like charau-ka and the like.

Hmm. Can still roll with it and can like ROTR it with the monkey goblins.

But I want elemental Gigas! They'd scare the crap out of my players when they're like "Frost Giants eh?" and out pour Frost Gigas instead.

From what I'm aware of there are only four elemental gigas dude (air, earth, fire, and water). Remember what James said, gigas are based on the planes (be it the Elemental Planes, the Energy Planes, or the Outer Planes). Granted the water-type gigas might have some cold energy based attacks or abilities.

But I do agree with Berselius, other planar ones would be nice.

I know right? I'd love to see stats and learn more about the Elysium and Nirvana Gigas in particular. The Elysium Gigas probably worship the Elysium Titans as gods and serve as their emissaries, messengers, and direct servants. Maybe they've even visited Golarion in the past. :D

I would kill to get a stats for Gigas from the positive energy plane, maelstrom, axis, elemental planes, and Boneyard.

I could see lumigens having channel or lay on hands and there natural attacks counting as disruption weapons.

I could see the elemental ones have kineticist abilities related to there plane of origin.

Maybe some varieties of Gigas from the dimension of dreams or even the dimension of time.

The Negative Energy Gigas (Necrophysician) sounds particularly nasty. I'm imagining it as a gaunt gargantuan sized humanoid with bones jutting out of pale putrid flesh, eyes stitched wide open, and a horrifically wide grin of joy that never goes away.

Maybe some varieties of Gigas from the dimension of dreams or even the dimension of time.

I wonder if even the Titans could survive both of those Dimensions? It's definately cannon that they've walked the fiendish, elemental, and energy planes (which are all pretty inhospitable in their own right) so, I dunno, maybe their spawn exist there too. (shrugs) Also, wasn't there a Dimension (or Demiplane) of Nightmares on top of a Dimension of Dreams?

All I know is Nightmare Gigas had probably better watch it if Sakhils ever find them. ;)

I would kill to get a stats for Gigas from the positive energy plane, maelstrom, axis, elemental planes, and Boneyard.

I could see lumigens having channel or lay on hands and there natural attacks counting as disruption weapons.

I could see the elemental ones have kineticist abilities related to there plane of origin.

Maybe some varieties of Gigas from the dimension of dreams or even the dimension of time.

Well than ya'll better start killing.

Instead of all these fire, shadow and hill giants, i'd rather see Antaeus, Zogbanu, Yeitso, Aigamuxa, Hraesvelgr, Blemmyes, Gawigawen and Jack-in-Irons giants. Giants that aren't based on elements, planes or environments. (Well spare for Antaeus, but that is a special case)