There are things that dwell in the dark places of the world, in long-abandoned crypts or musty attics—terrible things that can destroy your body and shatter your mind. Few individuals would think to seek out such nightmares, but those drawn into the darkness often find it infecting them, corrupting them in ways both subtle and disgusting. Some believe those who die facing such horrors are the lucky ones, for the survivors are forever scarred by their experiences.
Pathfinder RPG Horror Adventures gives you everything you need to bring these nightmares to life. Within these pages, you'll find secrets to take your game into the darkest reaches of fantasy, where the dead hunger for the living, alien gods brood in dreams, and madness and death lurk around every corner. Rules for players and GMs alike pit brave champions against a darkness capable of devouring mind, body, and soul. To prepare to face such torments, the heroes can take new feats, learn powerful spells, and even acquire holy relics—for they'll need every edge possible to survive!
Pathfinder RPG Horror Adventures includes:
Corruptions that can turn your character into a powerful monster, from a blood-drinking vampire to a savage werewolf. The only cost is your soul!
Character options to help heroes oppose the forces of darkness, including horror-themed archetypes, feats, spells, and more!
A detailed system to represent sanity and madness, giving you all the tools you need to drive characters to the brink and beyond.
Tips and tools for running a genuinely scary game, along with an in-depth look at using horror's many subgenres in a Pathfinder campaign.
Expanded rules for curses, diseases, environments, fleshwarping, haunts, and deadly traps.
New templates to turn monsters into truly terrifying foes, from creatures made of living wax to a stalker that can never be stopped!
... and much, much more!
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I am in love with this book. The themes for archetypes are spot on and everything goes beyond horror basics, it's much more than vampires, werewolves, and zombies (though they are included). Some of my favorite elements are the Deep One corruption (corruptions in general are sweet, this seems like a well balanced mechanic for horribly warping the PCs into monsters, while still giving them a way to fight it) and the Gingerbread Witch. The Deep One corruption is a great example of the depth of horror this book includes, this plays on a less often used horror theme of the paranoia of harming oneself (in this case, by drowning). This reminds me so much of elements from the book The Boy Who Drew Monsters, and the mom's terrible fascination with people who drowned in a shipwreck a hundred years ago. You could adopt this same corruption for vertigo or even a bodily harm thing. On a lighter side, the Gingerbread Witch made me so, so happy. It's a well thought out archetype, I'm not sure they'd be great as a player character (but there aren't evil restrictions, so have at!) but I can't wait to insert a horrible Gingerbread Witch near some unassuming town, with her creepy haunted gingerbread house and evil delicious familiar.
I just can't say enough good things about the mechanics. They are flexible enough that you don't have to have a horror specific campaign to use elements from this book. The fear and sanity rules can be used with any campaign to add realism or more of a gritty fantasy feel. If your level 1 characters just killed a person for the first time, maybe they should lose some sanity and wrestle with that emotion. If they are in a dank, creepy dungeon with skeletons, maybe some of them would be spooked. The rules for adapting fear resistant characters like Paladins are also nicely balanced and I appreciate that attention to detail - your paladins don't have to yawn at the sideline, they're vulnerable too, just in a way less debilitating way that actually paints them as more of a hero around evil and undead.
Lastly, the warning about needing consent before using this book in a campaign was a very nice touch. That totally hooked me when starting to read this book. I kind of thought I'd just have spooky themed elements, but that paragraph inspired me to try to take this to the next level. How fun would it be to have a session that turns your actual living room into a haunted house, or to be the director of the scariest experience your friends have had all year?
If Halloween is your favorite holiday or you love low, gritty fantasy, I highly recommend this book. I will be reading this one cover to cover and am excited to use its elements for many, many sessions.
This massive hardcover clocks in at 255 pages - if you take away editorial, index, etc., you still arrive at 249 pages of content, which is A LOT.
I was gifted a copy of this book for the purpose of a fair and unbiased review. My review is based on the hardcover of this book.
Now, the first thing I'd ask you to do, is to read the series of Miscellaneous Musings I wrote on horror gaming in general. Or least the last one. Why? Because it is my firm conviction that one has to establish realistic expectations in order to review a book such as this.
(The articles are fully linked on my page.)
Alternatively, if you already own it, there is a sentence in the advice chapter on running horror games that should be taken to heart: "Pathfinder is not designed with horror in mind." I'd like to elaborate on this, at least briefly. As I have established in my long, long rants on the subject matter, it is my firm conviction that you can run horror in PFRPG, even purist horror, but that the base system per se is more conductive towards playing the angle of pitting horror against the angle of heroism, of allowing PCs to have a shot against the darkness. While you can modify PFRPG to play akin to CoC, the game is simply more conductive towards the heroic angle.
It is a testament to PFRPG's versatility that horror of any way works in the first place, in spite of the focus of the game. Now secondly, I'd like to address two aspects of the game and what we can expect, with the first being character options. We are all aware of the vast array of built-options available for PFRPG and thus, it should come as no surprise that yes, we do receive a significant array of player- (or at least character-)centric options. Which would bring me to the first observation: It is my firm convictions that players should stay out of this book.
No, really. You see, quite a lot of the new class options, like the blood alchemist, elder mythos cultist, hexenhammer or medium spirit-variants like the butcher or lich (for champion and archmage, to give two examples) scream "NPC" for me. I know, it is perhaps not what you'd expect me to do, but ultimately, I consider the material here to be mostly intended for the GM. Yes, we have martyr paladins with stigmata and bloody jake slayers and serial killer vigilantes. Yes, some players will want to play these...but from my experience as a horror-GM, it may actually make sense restricting these...or simply not telling the players about the rules. Before you're asking, btw.: From a min-maxing perspective, you'll probably find better options anyways...but if that's a consideration for you when playing in a horror game, I'd strongly suggest thinking about priorities and of what makes for a fun game for everyone - see my long, long posts on the necessary contract/gentlemen's agreement between the GM and player.
That being said, there is one aspect I am holding against this book, in spite of the aforementioned previous considerations, and that would be that there is no dividing line between content obviously designed for players/good guys and that for villains - it does show in the archetype-section and, more than that, in the feat-section, where we can find REALLY cool Story-feats alongside a bunch of feats intended for evil characters or monsters - in the latter case often enhancing universal monster abilities and providing further numerical escalation - which would be less of an issue, if PFRPG didn't have this many options to gain access to precisely these abilities. In short, we are catering to a mindset here that kinda undermines the horror premise the rest of the book is trying hard to set up. In short: We also get a lot of alternate racial traits for the core races, which generally fit with the themes of horror, though the fortification they offer against these challenges don't really fit my personal vision of what I like to play in the context of such a campaign, but your mileage here may obviously vary. These are my least favorite aspects of the book.
But let's move back to the very beginning: The advice given for players when making characters for horror adventures is extremely sound and should most certainly be read carefully - the book spells pretty much out what I did, minus the advice on Achilles heels, but I guess you can't have everything. The notes on making a compelling personality etc. makes sense, and so does the advice of roleplaying fear. I am a big fan of the note that the book emphasizes conspiration and communication with the GM here.
One of my favorite parts herein would be the more diversified take on Fear: We are introduced to a 7-step progression tree of various states of fear, including rules on immunity to fear and how it should be used in conjunction with this system. It works pretty seamlessly, though I honestly wished the already widely in use cowering condition had been implemented here as well - considering the effects of the highest fear-level "horrified", the differences are not that pronounced. And yes, I am aware that this adds a bit of potential complexity to some options, but here at least, I consider the trade off worth it.
Sanity...is a bit more clunky. We get a relatively simple system: Add mental attributes together and you have the sanity score; half of that is the sanity edge. This determines the severity of the madness incurred when something exceeds your sanity threshold - which is equal to the bonus of the highest mental attribute bonus. When you incur a sanity attack and its damage exceeds the threshold, you gain a madness - simple, yes...but it does ultimately reward characters that are SAD on a mental attribute, whereas in my opinion, sanity-shattering effects often are made worse by understanding them properly, perceiving them properly, etc. The system is not bad per se, but it requires managing three scores and for that, it doesn't deliver the results I'm personally looking for in such a system. Your mileage may vary, obviously, but yeah.
The star-subsystem here would be basically PFRPG's take on dark powers-checks, so-called corruptions. These tie in with character flaws of the PC and represent a dark and malevolent stain on the character that slowly mutates them, granting benefits, while at the same time driving them further down the dark path. Where previously, in Ravenloft, you ultimately became a darklord, corruptions now have 3 stages, with the final stage usually turning you NPC. Progression along this path is via a variety of actions and they generally have a catalyst to first spring them on a character. These corruptions also feature tempting powers, so-called manifestations, which also come with a stain, a drawback, that is in relation to the behavior in question.
Now, first things first: At one point, I wrote a pretty long essay on how to tempt both players and PCs at the same time with horrific power and the psychological reasons to do so - while it has been cut and never been published, let me summarize: I argued that a weakness of the monster-transformation aspect championed by Ravenloft was, that on the one hand, the PC should be horrified by what he does, while craving the power in question. Similarly, the player should feel the same.
If there is a disjoint between player and PC, roleplaying suffers. The corruptions, when looking at them, are surprisingly tame - not in their visuals, mind you: The hive, for example, is really icky. Still, it is somewhat surprising to see the heavy penalty of corruption stage 3...and at the same time, the significant array of manifestations each corruption offers. Now, some folks have complained about the risk of being turned NPC being too high (it's a sort of game over, after all), but from a meta-design perspective it can be a motivator for munchkins to take heed.
There is another aspect to the system pretty much every review I read did not pick up on - and I don't get why. In my third essay on horror gaming, I talked about the realities of being a big publisher and not one of the underground one-man operations. I also talked briefly about the witch hunts our hobby is subject to, one that continues in some regions and circles. More than that, moral and aesthetic limitations vary within persons - more so between folks. As the big dog that Paizo is, it is pretty hard to sell "play a monstrously vile thing and the descent into evil" to a part of their demographic - though, in particularly the hardcore horror fans will want exactly that, the teetering on the edge of damnation experience, for from this precipice, the best redemption stories are woven.
Here's the beautiful thing about the corruption system: The increase of manifestations is not tied to the corruption stage progression. At all. You can retain the whole save mechanics, variants and the whole rest and just throw out the three stages. You can introduce as many stages as you'd like (perhaps 7 or 5, as previous editions of the game did - perhaps 13, if you want to go an occult angle...) - the system's validity remains. And yes, I'll confess, my kneejerk response was like that of many out there, to complain and curse about the 3 stages - but know what? This is by far the best and most detailed (and balanced) such system I have seen for a d20-based game. It covers the company and at the same time, easily allows for PCs and NPCs, for GMs and players alike, to enjoy a system I never expected to see in this shape or form from a big publisher. Now personally, I would have actually increased the potency of the corruptions if you're running with the stage-limit and NPC-threat...but, once again, that is if you're planning on playing a relatively tame campaign. The fact that each manifestation has its custom gifts and stains, completely divorced from the stages, means that you retain maximum control when tweaking the system to your needs. The fact that the save to resist progression is tied to compulsive behavior means that even it, as an aspect, remains valid, its tie to further manifestations in the save-calculation providing a roleplaying catalyst even without the presence of the threat of NPCdom.
The chapter on magic provides a wide array of thematically fitting spells that range from the subtle to the in-your-face blunt - sleepwalking suggestions, massive, gory blood effects and cursed terrain generally make sense and even otherwise pretty standard damage spells included herein sport nice visuals: Screaming flames? Yes, I can see that working. I am honestly more in love with the fact that we get a 5 pretty neat occult rituals here that all are amazing in their own way, with each having the potential to act as a proper plot-cornerstone. I wished we got more of them!
Now, I mentioned that I consider this to be a GM-book and indeed, the GM-section is a bit of a treasure trove in some aspects: We get a couple of new curses and advice on making more, as well as notes on cursed lands and items - if the topic interests you: Both Legendary games and Rite Publishing have released whole supplements dealing with curses, often in really creative ways, but that as an aside. Curse templates allow for the customization of curses herein. Now, the disease chapter gets my full-blown applause for disease templates - and e.g. the one named "incurable." It actually does what it says on the tin! (minus the usual wish/miracle-caveat) - this is amazing. I mean it. Diseases have, in pretty much every d20-based system, been afterthoughts, crippled, lame and ultimately were the lame brothers of poison. This changes that. The sample diseases like "brain moss" or "gore worms" also make me tingle and twitch in a good way.
Speaking of things I like: We get a vast number of cool terrain hazards, haunted spots and the like to add to encounters, allowing for quick and easy eerie customizations. Domains of Evil can also be found. You know. Domains. With dread fog. That modify how magic works. With hazards and potentially different flow of time. That are haunted. Yeah, let's stop teh pretense here: If you're like me and a sucker for Ravenloft, then this chapter will have you smile from ear to ear, even before the rules on nightmares and the couple of traps. These, btw., unfortunately are the roll to see and disable kind - particularly in a horror game, team effort, complex traps that require multiple tasks make for the more compelling option, but I digress.
Now, the next section of rules is something that I was looking forward to, since it had been featured, but never codified properly in rules at least not by Paizo (there are a couple of 3pp-forays into that territory)- fleshwarping! And yes, it is cool. It sports a ton of nice effects, but the system is, to a degree, a double-edged sword: On one hand, fleshwarping works really well and on the other, its price is perhaps a bit too high: Let me elaborate: Fleshcrafts can either be permanent grafts or temporary mutations, instilled by an elixir that requires succeeding a Fort-save to gain the benefits. The temporary prices and benefits and being keyed to slots etc. makes sense for the elixirs, but since the effects also sport a penalty, the price for the respective fleshcraft grafts is still pretty high when compared to magic items - baseline for the grafts seems to have been 1/2 of a comparable item's base price to make up for the drawback. Considering the disfiguring nature of these options, that may still be pretty high, though. It depends a bit. Chaotic fleshwarping mutations can also be found - and unlike the chaositech mutations of yore, these generally are detrimental.
The extensive section on haunts that follows includes templates for them (called haunt elements) as well as variants like dimensional instabilities, maddening influence, magical scars and psychic haunts. The array presented ranges from humble Cr 1/4 to CR 20, including classics like being buried alive or the twisted wish. Madnesses are codified in lesser and greater madnesses - big plus here: For once, a supplement does not confuse schizophrenia with dissociated identities. (Seriously, if I had a buck whenever I saw that being confused...)
Now, one of the most useful sections regarding GM-considerations would be the massive chapter that deals with running horror games - which not only classifies and quantifies horror sub.genres, their tropes, etc., but also mentions all the classics like lighting, music, creating an undisturbed environment, etc. - tricks for dealing with various snags, how to encourage horror roleplaying etc. - and it is sad, but obviously necessary that, beyond talking about what does and does not fly with individual players, overdoing it does not work. HOWEVER, I do actually disagree with one aspect - involving outside people. To have an unrelated accomplice like a spouse play with the light on e.g. a stormy evening - not all the time, but once or twice, can be rather effective...but I generally get why these disclaimers are here. This section, obviously, is targeted at less experienced GMs in the genre - and in particular such GMs will also appreciate the section on improvising rules for e.g. being buried alive, crumbling structures, etc.
This book has a lot of systems, mechanics, archetypes, feats, spells, environment challenges, haunts, curses, etc. While most of it is clearly presented and has enough flavor text to give you some ideas on how to use it, everything just seems to fall flat.
My two biggest gripes (I have more than just two):
1) The sanity system is horribly balanced, heavily penalizing martial characters, and it's effects are easily cured by powerful spells. Really poorly executed, why make the gap between martials and casters even worse?
2) Most of the Archetypes are realistically for GM use only, as they are very niche. I wanted to give my players a lot of cool horror themed archetypes to play with, instead they got a scant few.
This book really could have been SO much better. Disappointed.
Paizo reviews come in two forms: players that whine because they wanted something other than what was in the book (^^^)and then gamemasters/players that actually review the material provided. This is a review from the latter.
Paizo has created some of the best horror themed adventures for Pathfinder and Dungeons and Dragons over the course of their existence. In this book, they round it all up and spell out all of the tricks and tips they use to make it happen.
I have written everything from adventures to comic books to film scripts and I would easily hand this book over to a non-gaming writer that needed advice on how to create horror. This book goes to great lengths to provide players with archetypes for classes to use in horror themed adventures as well as giving gamemasters tools they need to create horror in session after session.
Players get archetypes, feats, spells and new gear with which to battle the horrific forces of the multiverse. GMs get a ton of new tools including a nifty new Bestiary that brings us Pathfinder versions of Alien-style xenomorphs called the Hive AND a nice analogue for the Slender Man called the Unknown. Horror requires more than monsters, so you also get new rules on corruptions, curses, diseases, horrific environments, fleshwarping, haunts, madness and more!
Creating horror is more than giving players more 0's they can add to their attacks. It involves setting, tone, atmosphere and management of expectations. If you want to run a game that makes your players fear for their characters lives, then pick up this book and give it a read. Follow up with the recommended reading and required viewing and you'll get a feeling for how to instill dread in everyone sitting at your table.
This book feels more like Pathfinder's version of the Book of Vile Darkness then horror themed adventures. Also this is a very DM heavy book though I thought it would be 70% player 30% DM but is actually the other way around.
The Good
-I loved the Dread Lord, Hive, Trompe L'Oeil, Unknown, and Waxwork Creature.
-I like the Corruptions.
-I like the reprint/expanding of madness rules.
-I like some of the magic items like mantle of life, monster almanac, and elder sign.
-I liked a few archetypes like the two for witches.
The Bad
-Too many evil archetypes, spells, etc.
-Do not like the sanity rules.
-Do not like the fleshwarping rules for characters.
-Most of archetypes were lacking or unusable for players.
-Very few interesting spells that are player friendly.
-Very few interesting feats.
-Not enough character options related to specific class features like wild talents, bloodlines, rogue talents, oracle curses/mysteries, etc.
I feel this book was a missed opportunity for same great horror based player character options. Such as expanded options for void kineticist like fear effects, controlling/creating undead, etc. new psychic disciplines, sorcerer/bloodrager bloodlines, oracle curses/mysteries, hexes, phantom emotion focuses, etc. I could even see some interesting ideas for rogue talents, rage powers, slayer talents, etc. I would have been fine with reprints like the pestilence sorcerer bloodline, kineticist void element, and other fitting options from past books.
Funny I ran this with my own home made NPCs...and about half didn't make it. 20th level, 10th tier mythics. They ended up pretty insane and /or dead.
I can pretty say with a good bit of authority that the PC's of my players from Wrath of the Righteous would have torn the officially statted Cthulhu to pieces before he had a chance to act. But let's not derail the whole topic over this.
@Jici, the Hive cover the Alien need and, in my opinion more importantly, there's going to be a Demon Corruption in Horror Realms!
The Hive creatures aren't extraterristrial; they are inspired from the xenomorphs, but not necessarily of the same nature :P
They're described as "an invasive otherworldly species that seek to spread across the stars and devour all other life" and "extraplanetary conquerors who invade host bodies" that "consume worlds like locusts". Pretty sure they are indeed extraterrestrials.
So... Nice to see Alain is still his charming self.
I have yet to get my copy (some on, Saturday!). What happens to the ever-humble and polite Alain?
Spoiler:
Hands worn down to bloody claws scrabbled against ancient wood. Rotted faces pressed through holes, yellow teeth snapping, as the gap between the doors inched slowly wider.
“It’s not working!” Alain yelled. “There’s too many of them!” He added, in a quieter, almost thoughtful tone. “You ever think about heroic last stands? Just you against a horde of enemies, sacrificing yourself so your comrades could escape? The skalds would sing about it for ages.”
“Damn it, Alain!” Amiri backhanded a zombie, pulping its grave-slick face. “If you run away, I’ll track you down and eat your flesh myself! Now PUSH!”
So... Nice to see Alain is still his charming self.
I have yet to get my copy (some on, Saturday!). What happens to the ever-humble and polite Alain?
** spoiler omitted **
Thanks, Luthorne!
Spoiler:
But I thought the whole reason the others took Alain along on adventures was so they could fling him to the hungry ghoul/angry dragon/lecherous medusa while they made their escape?
Does anyone know how the Experimenter is supposed to be able to craft a construct without knowing any spells? It does cover the caster level, but otherwise, doesn't really allow you to actually create a construct. At least, that's how I'm reading that. Anyone know what's up with that?
You can skip prerequisites by raising the Spellcraft DC, and the Experimenter gets to use Knowledge (engineering) instead of Spellcraft and - as I recall - gets a fairly hefty bonus to Craft (alchemy) and Knowledge (engineering).
I don't think that's the PDF itself. I think its the reader.
Adobe Reader DC seems to have a problem with freezing up and crashing when it comes to Paizo PDF's. (Maybe with other PDF's too, I haven't really check). And yeah, its kind of a pain, especially for someone who exclusively buys PDF's like me.
I've never had a problem reading paizo's pdfs, but then I tend to use Preview for most things, Adobe Reader only when Preview doesn't handle something well (like multi-layered pdfs).
I can't speak to this particular pdf because MY SUBSCRIPTION HASN'T SHIPPED YET.
<Ed takes a deep breath> I'm okay now. Sorry for the yelling. :-)
So I deeply want to play a Living Grimoire, but holy cow does it lose a lot. Too early to ask for advice in the advice forums? Also, anyone know why it keeps the Slayer ability?
The witch archetypes are two of the coolest archetypes I've ever seen. I want to play both of them.
These domains seem awfully familiar...
Domain Borders (paraphrased) wrote:
Some domains are prisons for their cursed lords, who cannot leave the realms, often hindered by a bank of dread fog. These mists block entry into the domain, though the strange whims of dark powers might allow passage for those who might further torment the land’s lord.
Adobe Reader DC seems to have a problem with freezing up and crashing when it comes to Paizo PDF's. (Maybe with other PDF's too, I haven't really check). And yeah, its kind of a pain, especially for someone who exclusively buys PDF's like me.
I can recommend PDF-XChange Viewer, works well with Paizo PDFs and comes for free (in a powerful basic version, like many of them).
Some impressions from the book so far:
It has a significantly higher ratio of GM content than usual for the RPG line (beside Bestiary 1 to 5, of course). You can find some interesting stuff as a player, but it's not that much to choose from.
Corruptions:
Spoiler:
Corruptions are not really a tool to power up your character, rather a tool for the GM to give the story a certain twist. There is a player friendly version of corruptions, and with certain builds (e.g. very high saves) and a cooperative GM it should be possible to minimize the drawbacks and maximize the benefits. But it's not like getting a +1 or +2 template for free. That said, the corruptions are properly designed (like a mix of oracle curses and revelations) and moderately creative.
Alternate racial traits & favored class bonuses:
Spoiler:
The core races (and only them) get several nice new options. My favorites: Dwarves focused on undead hunt, 'creepy' elves which are good at fear spells and intimidate, stalker gnomes, half-elves getting +1 CL when they pick multiple caster classes, half-orcs seeing through smog, 'creepy doll' halflings (hide & intimidate better) and humans with giantblood (+1 CMB & CMD). FCBs have fewer gems, e.g. halfling barbarians with higher range increments, half-elf oracles with more uses of revelations or half-orc alchemists with a bonus on breaking / sundering things.
Archetypes:
Spoiler:
Archetypes are quite good, for instance I like the Dreadnought (calm barbarian), Devolutionist ('turn everything into primal version' druid) and Martyr (a very self-sacrificing paladin). Several archetypes require a nongood or even evil alignment. They were very careful with avoiding overpowered options, sometimes to the point where it impacts the fun. Finally you might notice a bit of recycling here, namely the Void domain from Inner Sea World Guide.
Feats:
Spoiler:
The list of general and combat feats is surprisingly short. There are a few gems, like Brutal Coup de Grace (pseudo-intimidate after kill) and Stubborn Curse (your curses are tougher to dispel). You can now officially become a Fleshwarper, and the options expanded a bit since a certain AP. Further there are 4 new styles, but they look like being geared towards monks. Monsters get a lot of feats, half of them upgrading a SLA with metamagic, the rest is about being horrifying. So if you expect a ton of new options for a PC here, you will be disappointed.
Hazards:
Spoiler:
Some very cool ideas here, like fogs raising undead or misleading paths.
Bestiary:
Spoiler:
While the monster section is rather short, it contains a wealth of interesting templates. The only creatures (beside examples for templates) are Hive monsters, likely inspired by the Alien movies.
You can skip prerequisites by raising the Spellcraft DC, and the Experimenter gets to use Knowledge (engineering) instead of Spellcraft and - as I recall - gets a fairly hefty bonus to Craft (alchemy) and Knowledge (engineering).
I thought that too, but the Brew Potion feature specifies that, while the Craft Construct does not.
You can skip prerequisites by raising the Spellcraft DC, and the Experimenter gets to use Knowledge (engineering) instead of Spellcraft and - as I recall - gets a fairly hefty bonus to Craft (alchemy) and Knowledge (engineering).
I thought that too, but the Brew Potion feature specifies that, while the Craft Construct does not.
That's because it doesn't need to be specified. Potions, scrolls, wands, and other spells-in-a-can are normally explicit that you cannot skip the prerequisites without actually having the spell in question, while other forms of magic item creation, such as armor, constructs, weapons, and wondrous items can automatically skip prerequisites by adding +5 to the DC. Ergo, Brew Potion needs to have an exception to this, since otherwise the Experimenter would be completely unable to create potions as-written, whereas now they can duplicate existing potions. But it doesn't need to be spelled out for Craft Construct. As noted here.
Core Rulebook wrote:
Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by +5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting their spell prerequisites.
I'm really excited about the Exciter, especially in its Gestalt applications, but it seems kinda odd. Am I reading it right that it can only ever gain two things from their emotional focus: an aura and one of the level abilities? I get that the class wants less of a dependence on emotional focus, especially after the mess that was the id rager, but surely this is too much.
Anyone else notice that the Tortured Crusader has 2 class abilities that alter Smite Evil and 3 that alter Lay on Hands?
I get the intent of the Archetype, but is that not kind of awkward for the Archetype rules? It's the first time I can think of where an Archetype altered a class feature multiple times.
I like the fact that Bards don't really need Dirge of Doom anymore with Disconcerting Knowledge...with one feat and some skill points, a Bard can now Intimidate with Knowledge checks! No need to use up Bardic Performance!
Now if we could only get a game mechanic to swap out some abilities for others...I would love to give up Dirge for Spell Kenning!
I'm really excited about the Exciter, especially in its Gestalt applications, but it seems kinda odd. Am I reading it right that it can only ever gain two things from their emotional focus: an aura and one of the level abilities? I get that the class wants less of a dependence on emotional focus, especially after the mess that was the id rager, but surely this is too much.
Ooh, can you tell me a bit more about the Exciter? I don't particularly like "pet classes" but I like the flavor of the Spiritualist and I really like their spell list as well. I've been hoping for a more melee focused version of the Spiritualist for a while now. The Exciter sounds like just the thing for me.
I'm really excited about the Exciter, especially in its Gestalt applications, but it seems kinda odd. Am I reading it right that it can only ever gain two things from their emotional focus: an aura and one of the level abilities? I get that the class wants less of a dependence on emotional focus, especially after the mess that was the id rager, but surely this is too much.
Ooh, can you tell me a bit more about the Exciter? I don't particularly like "pet classes" but I like the flavor of the Spiritualist and I really like their spell list as well. I've been hoping for a more melee focused version of the Spiritualist for a while now. The Exciter sounds like just the thing for me.
It loses the ability to manifest it's spirit. I can still get the shield and tendrils though. You gain a rage like ability and can use the aura of your spirit centered on you, and later can also use some of their other abilities.
Wow, that sounds like Paizo read my mind! Can they still cast spells?
They absolutely can. They even cast some psychic spells while raging. Speaking of, their rage mechanic is is absolutely hilarious in comparison to practically every rager thus far introduced in pathfinder. They have to use extra rounds of rage to get access to the emotional focus abilities, but their rage can give bonuses to strength, dex, con and cha, all at the same time.
Wow, that sounds like Paizo read my mind! Can they still cast spells?
They absolutely can. They even cast some psychic spells while raging. Speaking of, their rage mechanic is is absolutely hilarious in comparison to practically every rager thus far introduced in pathfinder. They have to use extra rounds of rage to get access to the emotional focus abilities, but their rage can give bonuses to strength, dex, con and cha, all at the same time.
More specifically, you can get +4 Str and Con, +4 Dex and Cha, or +2 to all four.
Dammit, I accidentally refreshed the page on mobile after posting and it copied the post. Anyway, a few other archetypes seem strangely underpowered as well. The Mooncursed Barbarian, which seemed completely radical at first, replaces your rage bonuses with beast shape, and they only get beast shape 3 at level 20! I guess my big issues is the tiny bonuses they get, and they fact that the first few levels are rough, since you don't have arms and legs.
Yeah, but you get big options when you shapeshift, don't you? Getting any movement speed you want is a pretty big benefit.
Well, you can only get land speed or swim speed. No burrowers, fliers or climbers in the mooncursed barbarian's list. In the end you get a Str bonus smaller than a barbarian of equal level, no con bonus, small natural armour bonus, natural attacks, size penalties, reach, maybe trip or a swim speed,
Yeah, but you get big options when you shapeshift, don't you? Getting any movement speed you want is a pretty big benefit.
Well, you can only get land speed or swim speed. No burrowers, fliers or climbers in the mooncursed barbarian's list. In the end you get a Str bonus smaller than a barbarian of equal level, no con bonus, small natural armour bonus, natural attacks, size penalties, reach, maybe trip or a swim speed,
The duration is also most unrighteous, since you have to use rage rounds. The big natural attacks are cool, especially because you're almost certainly going for beat totem with this one, but you give up so much of your raw power that I'm not sure it's worth it. Compare something like a Supernaturalist or Nature Fang druid, who give up wild shape, but keep the casting necessary to make themselves into huge beasts of ANY kind way before the Mooncursed can, and have more radical and easilly availible damage steroids without giving up viable alternatives?
Question. For the vampire corruption it says "Each week, you need to drink the blood of sentient creatures one size category smaller than you or larger until you drain enough to deal constitution damage equal to your manifestation level"
My question is, does this mean all at once from the same creature? Could I, for example, drain 1 constitution worth from 3 different creatures on 3 different days in a week to meet this requirement? Since it uses the plural "creatures" that is my guess, but thought I'd ask.
some corruptions are more difficult to manage than others. Blood harvesting should be very carefully done to avoid sudden drops in alignment. Hence part of my reasoning being that it should be possible to seek out various groups that could help assist in keeping your corruption from getting out of hand. Since some of these corruptions are difficult or dangerous to provide for, these services will probably not be provided for without something given in return. After all, they are your major lifeline in your current state of being, so surely they require compensation for their services.
Although the monsters section was necessarily short, it was a good start.
As I mentioned before, we finally have Pathfinder stats for the 'Alien' ^_^
A long while back, in the d20 Modern rules, I remember seeing stats for another iconic movie monster, "The Thing (from Another World)", although they called it the "Star Doppleganger".
It shouldn't be to hard to convert this critter to Pathfinder (something I may well tackle myself soon):
http://dmreference.com/MRD/Creatures/Menace_Creatures/J-Z/Star_Doppelganger .htm
Part of the Accursed Stain is "if you cast or use a harmless spell or spell-like ability..." my question is, would using a wand fall under that statement? It is using a magical item which I would think wouldn't apply, however am not sure. I'm thinking of something like using a wand of cure light wounds.
Yeah, but you get big options when you shapeshift, don't you? Getting any movement speed you want is a pretty big benefit.
Well, you can only get land speed or swim speed. No burrowers, fliers or climbers in the mooncursed barbarian's list. In the end you get a Str bonus smaller than a barbarian of equal level, no con bonus, small natural armour bonus, natural attacks, size penalties, reach, maybe trip or a swim speed,
Yeah, but you get big options when you shapeshift, don't you? Getting any movement speed you want is a pretty big benefit.
Well, you can only get land speed or swim speed. No burrowers, fliers or climbers in the mooncursed barbarian's list. In the end you get a Str bonus smaller than a barbarian of equal level, no con bonus, small natural armour bonus, natural attacks, size penalties, reach, maybe trip or a swim speed,
What, no werebats or werebadgers?
The options are: bear, boar, crocodile, shark, tiger, or wolf.
Since the Dreadnaught specifically says that it alters the bonuses granted by rage, does that meant the archetype is meant to be usable with the Unchained version of Barbarian?