I have a question regarding the Hellfire Halo on page 36
I kind of expected the Gold Dragon to be older
If he can drink 10,000 year old beer without dying I think he's old enough. :p ;)
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Just wanted to comment that that I love the Archduke articles we've been getting in these books.
All the stuff that Mr. Schneider's been revealing about Hell's backstory is frikkin' cool.
Just wanted to comment that that I love the Archduke articles we've been getting in these books.
All the stuff that Mr. Schneider's been revealing about Hell's backstory is frikkin' cool.
I was about to ask "What Archduke articles? We haven't really learned anything at all about the Archdukes of Cheliax."
Then I realized that you were talking about the actual Archdukes of Hell.
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Anyone read the article on Geryon yet ???
If so how was it ?
Wait, isn't the name Hammer Archon copyrighted by WotC? Or am I wrong on that? If I am indeed wrong on that, what other celestial bestiary names can Paizo make use of?
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@ Berselius - I suspect that as long as the Paizo Hammer Archon is a completely different creature from the WotC Hammer Archon, they can just re-use the name. Paizo's been doing that with some of the agathions/guardinals without issue.
Archon ain't exactly a word you can copyright.
@ nighttree - It's nifty. Geryon's backstory was more interesting to me than his faith, but his faith is amusing(?) - I think Josef Mengele and Ed Gein would both right at home in it.
(The faith's attitude towards taboos is go commit them to find out if there's any practical basis to them..) The faithful assume that everything they have not personally verified are lies.
Which, means, for example, that you should never assume that a person has a heart.
You can only know for sure by cutting them open.
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Also, some of the celestials may have been printed in other, OGL-friendly sources. ^_^
For example, Paizo can use Orcus - just as he appears in D&D - due to his inclusion in the Tome of Horrors. (They can also use Juiblex... as long as they misspell his name.)
In contrast, the name Demogorgon has historical roots, so they can use it... but the baboon-headed tentacle monster is entirely D&D intellectual property.
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Also, some of the celestials may have been printed in other, OGL-friendly sources. ^_^
For example, Paizo can use Orcus - just as he appears in D&D - due to his inclusion in the Tome of Horrors. (They can also use Juiblex... as long as they misspell his name.)
In contrast, the name Demogorgon has historical roots, so they can use it... but the baboon-headed tentacle monster is entirely D&D intellectual property.
I always liked the hyena headed version better anyway.
... but the baboon-headed tentacle monster is entirely D&D intellectual property.
As long as it´s not Umbrella corporation IP or something like Monsanto^^ :D
Also Uakaris look way more impressive than baboons.
I f@~!ing hated Mind Flayers, WotC can keep them. :-)
I f*%+ing hated Mind Flayers, WotC can keep them. :-)
Agreed. Evry evil plot in the underdark being propagated by either the drow or illithid was tiresome.
What does the Tathlum do? The preview showed Glorious Reclamation troops getting rekt by Nightwalkers; but what are the extent of it's abilities and how do the PCs utilize it?
@ Berselius - I suspect that as long as the Paizo Hammer Archon is a completely different creature from the WotC Hammer Archon, they can just re-use the name. Paizo's been doing that with some of the agathions/guardinals without issue.
Oh, really? Awesome, so that means that Paizo can still do the Warden Archon (if they just make it an Archon in charge of Heaven's Jails) and the Throne Archon (they can change them to being seated on flying heavenly thrones). Maybe the Sword Archon as well (perhaps an archon with an aura of swords surrounding it)? :D
But don't you exterminate a GR army attacking a Hellknight castle?
What?
But don't you exterminate a GR army attacking a Hellknight castle?
No, you exterminate the GR garrison that's already holding the Citadel.
After the big opening act of the throwdown at the Citadel, you then go on three "lesser" missions - defiling a sacred site to Iomedae, killing and harvesting blood from 100+ good-aligned civilians in one day (Cheliax deliberately allows small, good aligned communities to exist in its borders so they can serve as fodder when needed), and then destroying a secret library - to prepare the dragon's severed head for conversion into a doomsday weapon.
Book 5 ends with the tathlum's construction. The tathlum itself will be used for wrecking the GR's main army at Westcrown early in Book 6.
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But don't you exterminate a GR army attacking a Hellknight castle?No, you exterminate the GR garrison that's already holding the Citadel.
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** spoiler omitted **But don't you exterminate a GR army attacking a Hellknight castle?No, you exterminate the GR garrison that's already holding the Citadel.
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That actually would be a really crap backstory for Hell's Rebels, because
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** spoiler omitted **But don't you exterminate a GR army attacking a Hellknight castle?No, you exterminate the GR garrison that's already holding the Citadel.
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That actually would be a really crap backstory for Hell's Rebels, because
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Mmmm, sweet, sweet nourishing delicious drama...
Tammy calls negotiator for Thrune!
** spoiler omitted **But don't you exterminate a GR army attacking a Hellknight castle?No, you exterminate the GR garrison that's already holding the Citadel.
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I'll note
They'd experience it as half the town just dissappearing without a trace over the course of the day.
Of course, the CG adventuring party that just happens to be in town during the blood harvest could put a pretty decent wrinkle in things. Unless, of course, the PCs sniff them out and disappear the adventuring group too.
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I kind of expected the Gold Dragon to be olderI am actually quite curious about this dragon. What makes this one in particular so special aside from being the Big Good the villans have to slay? The only reason I ask is because I lack access to the PDF at this time.
That, and you get to fight him in a Final Fantasy second battle (go straight mode)
Just to confirm: I downloaded it and found the issues mentioned resolved.
Thank you, Paizo.
Ruyan.
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Don't even think about entering the 5th layer... Don't even think about the 5th layer...
Anyone read the article on Geryon yet ???
If so how was it ?
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Would anyone be able to summarize the reactions of neighboring nations? Do any of them raid or invade Cheliax?
Here's the abbreviated version:
Rahadoum retakes Khari no matter which side wins. Andoran declares war on Cheliax's slave trade, but the Supreme Elect can't convince enough members of the People's Council to declare full-scale war. Isger pledges loyalty to Cheliax but sends no troops, and quickly starts negotiating with its other neighbors for an alliance, afraid that it can't survive on its own. Molthune sends troops to help House Thrune, but they mysteriously disappear near the town of Finder's Gulch. Nidal retreats and closes its borders until hostilities end. Sargava is too busy with its own internal problem to take advantage of Cheliax's momentary weakness.
Whats the status of the Godclaw order post-Scourge?
That depends on how that adventures plays out, but isn't discussed in the article you're asking about, I think.
Yeah it's likely they'll rebuild themselves but they won't be the powerhouse they were pre-Glorious Reclamation.
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Can anyone tell me what size/age category the gold dragon is? I don't have this book yet so I can't check it myself.
Ruyan.
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For someone as lore obsessed, it is kinda satisfying to figure out answer to minor setting mysteries x'D I was trying to look for a location to set oneshot in, then stumbled upon Warlock Island in wiki, then read cheliax campaign setting book and was like "Hmm I wonder if that is related to a particular fiend", opened up Book of the Damned and realized it sounds similar to worship of Geryon and then opened this book since it had Geryon related content and behold, Warlock island was visited in this book x'D
Its nice that wiki doesn't spoil everything yeah, but now I need to figure out if I need to find another location for my oneshot idea or if this island still works xD I'm leaning to "...no, not really, not for this idea"