| Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
Topic change to product content!
Deathknights, frost giants, and Uragotha!
Yes, yes, yes, all this and much much more!
Obviously I have to keep my mouth shut, but there is a wide range of enemy types besides traditional giants. I wasn't sure of the articles and who the authors were, so I am pleased to see the team of authors who join me!
| Berselius |
Bah, blatant sexualisation of females! Horrid! At least there are no nipples exposed...
Huh, I thought it was historical fact that female combatants of several civilizations historically wore loose / lighter armor in favor of higher mobility? In fact I think many male combatants also did that (Spartans and Roman Centurions to name a few though I might be wrong on both of those).
| Major_Blackhart |
Graveknights are great. I can't wait to see this one, and find out who and what the most dangerous Graveknights in Golarion currently are.
I'd love to see stuff for the still loyal servants of Thassilon written down, maybe some guys out of the more monstrous races, like Orcs, drow, urdefhan. You know the real nasties. I'd also like to see a graveknight that breaks the mold, maybe one devoted to Gorum (like my own pc eventually became, wholly evil but a battlefrenzied mad dog) instead of the pallid princess.
| TimD |
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While we're on the subject of fan suggested changes, please consider giving the party a chance to ally with a Silver Dragon instead the Red Dragon.
... and in proving the adage about some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time, I'm perfectly happy with the way the alliances have been going. Easy choices are easy, and generally boring to me.
The "silver dragon alliance" in WotR was probably one of the most epic things I've seen done in a TTRPG, and I'm very content to leave its laurels in peace.
... on the other hand, if you have a potential silver dragon alliance in the upcoming evil AP, I would laugh and laugh and laugh in great appreciation for the "be careful what you wish for" execution :)
-TimD
| Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
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Not to change the subject, but folks should really take a look at the Campaign Map Folio. It has my isomorphic which has been beautifully redrawn!
When people get the adventure, I can't stress enough how useful I feel this will be! And to staff: I am just floored by how magnificent this came out.
Product link: Go here
| nighttree |
nighttree wrote:Can anyone give a bit of a spoiler on the Tomb Giants ?
What do you want to know?
(I may mention the monsters too.)
Are they a new race of giant ? or are they simply existing giants that have become undead of some type....and if so, how are they described as looking and coming into being ?
| Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
Are they a new race of giant ? or are they simply existing giants that have become undead of some type....and if so, how are they described as looking and coming into being ?
Tomb Giants
Your question was kinda tricky. They are a new race of giant, but they are a corruption of another type of giant, specifically taigia giants. A certain runelord may be involved. They are not undead, but have neat necromatic powers.
Other creatures:
Living Effigy- a Huge construct
Thremindyr - cold air elementals with some unusual tricks
Indarugants - true undead giants
Birelus - strange nature and animalistic outsiders (CN)
| nighttree |
Tomb Giants
Your question was kinda tricky. They are a new race of giant, but they are a corruption of another type of giant, specifically taigia giants. A certain runelord may be involved. They are not undead, but have neat necromatic powers.
EXCELLENT...one of my favorite Wayne Reynolds pics ever was the Death Giant....hopefully these guy's are something similar ;)
Thanks muchly...
Benchak the Nightstalker
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Can you give more info on the Birelus?
They were inspired by this famous piece of cave art.
They're an incorporeal creature, kind of like an animate dream. They can enter and possess humans or animals. Humans they possess gain animalistic features (greater animal aspect), while animals they possess gain humanoid features (anthropomorphic animal).
| Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
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Can you give more info on the Birelus?
They come from a time when humanity did not live apart from nature, and in fact appealed to spirits of nature for intercession when life was cruel. These creatures are a humanoid embodiment of nature manifesting as humanoid.
They're pretty interesting. Incorporeal. Capable of possession—because they're spirits. But not undead. Kinda playing with animism but not exactly going there. Got antler horns!
| TanithT |
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There is no clearer way to send the message that this product is not for women than to make the female character into a sex object at the expense of her effectiveness as an adventurer.
Lingerie has a really crappy armor class, and it is even stupider while fighting frost giants in the snow. What this says is that female fighters are only important for the sexual thrills they can offer, and that they don't get to be depicted as real fighters with real adventuring gear. Because they're only there to look sexy and be rewards for the real heroes. Eg, the male readers.
Gimping the intelligence, effectiveness and equipment of female characters so that guys can have fantasy fanservice is a pretty strong message about who this publication - and this hobby - is supposed to be for. Not okay. Not even remotely cool.
Seriously. I expected better from Paizo. This is not that. This is a slap in the face to all the women in the hobby who are being shown how little they matter as customers.
| Myth Lord |
While i'm disappointed to learn that there are again no mythology monsters in this giant AP (where is the guy that did all the mythology monsters from the Serpent Skull and Jade Regent AP's???) , i'm kinda interested in the Thremindyr and Birelus, as they sound awesome.
I kinda hope the Indarugants is based on a myth giant.
Constructs are never my favorites, and Living Effigy? Why on earth did D&D turn an Effigy in an awsome fire spirit that possesses creatures and burn them from the inside out? At that point it was my favorite creature in Monster Manual 2, but now I don't understand it as most Effigy are constructs.
Kalindlara
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Runelord Info!
** spoiler omitted **
I don't think this is his first mention, actually. I have to go do some checking, but I think he was involved in the creation of the gluttonous Sword of Sin.
If not that, maybe something else. Let me check some sources. ^_^
EDIT: Having checked the story of Ungarato, the link may be more direct, what with graveknights and such. I'll have to leave the rest until I have this book, though...
Benchak the Nightstalker
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I kinda hope the Indarugants is based on a myth giant.
They are not.
They are however inspired by Ötzi the Iceman and the terrible curse that is said to claim the lives of those who come into contact with him.
Benchak the Nightstalker
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What is an easy translation of the word Effigy?
That word is for some reason very difficult to understand for me (A non native English speaker)
Can somebody translate that word in easy English?
An effigy is a three dimensional likeness of a specific individual. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that boils down the gist of it.
The term is most often used nowadays in the expression "to burn someone in effigy", which refers to the practice of constructing a likeness of someone you don't like out of wood/straw and burning it. This is where that Monster Manual 2 monster gets its schtick.
However, not all effigies are meant to be burned. Frex, certain kinds of funeral statues are refered to as effigies.
Benchak the Nightstalker
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Based on what I'm gathering about the themes of the bestiary, a wicker man might be the kind of "effigy" they're referring to. ^_^
The Living Effigy in this Bestiary is a Huge stone head that harbors the spirit/essence of a deceased chieftain or shaman. I've only glanced over it, but it looks pretty cool. It can teleport at will, but only when no one (above Int 2) is looking.
Kalindlara
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Kalindlara wrote:Based on what I'm gathering about the themes of the bestiary, a wicker man might be the kind of "effigy" they're referring to. ^_^The Living Effigy in this Bestiary is a Huge stone head that harbors the spirit/essence of a deceased chieftain or shaman. I've only glanced over it, but it looks pretty cool. It can teleport at will, but only when no one (above Int 2) is looking.
Hm. Does it offer opinions on the positive influence of firearms?
Benchak the Nightstalker
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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:Hm. Does it offer opinions on the positive influence of firearms?Kalindlara wrote:Based on what I'm gathering about the themes of the bestiary, a wicker man might be the kind of "effigy" they're referring to. ^_^The Living Effigy in this Bestiary is a Huge stone head that harbors the spirit/essence of a deceased chieftain or shaman. I've only glanced over it, but it looks pretty cool. It can teleport at will, but only when no one (above Int 2) is looking.
Along with a negative assessment of male genitalia? One can only assume :)
| Major_Blackhart |
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Runelord Goparlis was indeed mentioned before this during his wars with Ungarato the dragon master to get the sword of gluttony back. Ungarato, a suitably vicious barbarian warlord, had long despised the Runelord for raiding his people for slaves. Their war continued for years until Goparlis was distracted long enough not to realize Zutha had gained enough power to overthrow him. Zutha made an offer to the warlord, who had by then died and come back as a graveknight. The rest is history.
| Zaister |
There is no clearer way to send the message that this product is not for women than to make the female character into a sex object at the expense of her effectiveness as an adventurer.
What exactly are you talking about here?
Kalindlara
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TanithT wrote:There is no clearer way to send the message that this product is not for women than to make the female character into a sex object at the expense of her effectiveness as an adventurer.What exactly are you talking about here?
I'm assuming* that it's about Amiri's camera angle on the cover art.
* ^_^
| Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
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As the author, I'm going to abstain from the art discussion except to point out one thing.
I'm sure that wasn't requested in the art order. I'm reading this depiction that it was some sort of intentional decision on the part of Paizo, and unless they contradict me—I cannot believe that to be true.
Dealing with artists is different than dealing with authors. We're a whole lot easier to edit.
| Barachiel Shina |
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There is no clearer way to send the message that this product is not for women than to make the female character into a sex object at the expense of her effectiveness as an adventurer.
Lingerie has a really crappy armor class, and it is even stupider while fighting frost giants in the snow. What this says is that female fighters are only important for the sexual thrills they can offer, and that they don't get to be depicted as real fighters with real adventuring gear. Because they're only there to look sexy and be rewards for the real heroes. Eg, the male readers.
Gimping the intelligence, effectiveness and equipment of female characters so that guys can have fantasy fanservice is a pretty strong message about who this publication - and this hobby - is supposed to be for. Not okay. Not even remotely cool.
Seriously. I expected better from Paizo. This is not that. This is a slap in the face to all the women in the hobby who are being shown how little they matter as customers.
Personally, that artwork won't be so bad once they put a male character on the cover who has an extremely distracting bulge between his legs.
Like I always say, nothing wrong with a little sexual fantasy artwork as long as it's equal on all accounts, and I agree that such artwork is not balanced at all, the entire scale is tilted away from sexual male depictions (and before anyone starts, no, muscle tone and bare chest is not a sexual male depiction, it's a male empowerment depiction as muscles are a display of power, not sexual attraction).
I mean you have female and gay male gamers who are customers, give them something to oogle at too more often.
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As the author, I'm going to abstain from the art discussion except to point out one thing.
I'm sure that wasn't requested in the art order. I'm reading this depiction that it was some sort of intentional decision on the part of Paizo, and unless they contradict me—I cannot believe that to be true.
Dealing with artists is different than dealing with authors. We're a whole lot easier to edit.
Carrion Crown's villain agrees with you. ^_^