
|  James Jacobs 
                
                
                  
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            A thought occurs. This AP is probably going to get the PCs to level 20, and I think I heard Sir Jacobs say that they'd hit tier 10 too.
So how the heck does one continue the campaign once you've reached the very tippy top of power in the game?! o.O
heh.
Well, for one thing, the article's not gonna be called "Continuing the Campaign" this time around! :D

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            The release schedule is still pretty tentative right now, but for the time being it is not a typo.
O.O Woah. Talk about orienting the AP schedules a month earlier. It would be nice though to have an AP end and a new AP begin around the end of one year and the beginning of another. though considering the phrase "time being", that could change.

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            Sara Marie wrote:The release schedule is still pretty tentative right now, but for the time being it is not a typo.O.O Woah. Talk about orienting the AP schedules a month earlier. It would be nice though to have an AP end and a new AP begin around the end of one year and the beginning of another. though considering the phrase "time being", that could change.
It should be noted that it's a schedule slip- there presently isn't an AP issue due in November

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            zergtitan wrote:It should be noted that it's a schedule slip- there presently isn't an AP issue due in NovemberSara Marie wrote:The release schedule is still pretty tentative right now, but for the time being it is not a typo.O.O Woah. Talk about orienting the AP schedules a month earlier. It would be nice though to have an AP end and a new AP begin around the end of one year and the beginning of another. though considering the phrase "time being", that could change.
O.O Holy Crap! He's right!

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            I wonder what the article will be called if it's not Continuing the campaign?
"How to get your overpowered player characters out of the campaign setting, before they unbalance the entire world"? :p

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            Why? What do you think would four (or more) player characters at level 20 and tier 10 with player equipment be able to do? They'd easily smash every government on Golarion. They'd probably kick every villains tuchas, too, including such fan favorites as Tar-Baphon, all the Runelords (probably at the same time) or romantic duo Geb and Nex.
"Continueing the campaign" would mean "rewriting Golarion as it is". Getting the characters to another plane where they can be suitably mythic without upending the whole setting seems the reasonable thing to do.
Seriously, imagine if Golarion gets updated in a few years (yes, yes, "if", "in a few years", there are some caveats in there) and we already have the problem that now we got a lot of very high-level characters running around, probably do-gooders, which is definitely not the case on present day Golarion, where mostly evil people get to be high level. This changes the entire setting, unless the writers choose to just ignore that new reality.
And one of those groups of heroes is said group of lvl 20/tier 10 superheroes. I don't expect characters as those to retire and open taverns in remote locations, so either they are the new movers and shakers in the world... or they have been removed to a location which keeps the setting intact.

| zergtitan | 
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            Stratagemini wrote:I wonder what the article will be called if it's not Continuing the campaign?"Let's go pay Asmodeus a visit..."
It might as well be considering that Iomedae will fight to free Cheliax from diabolic control after the worldwound. See her article in CoT part two for evidence.

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            So does that then mean that the Worldwound is going to be closed in the canon of Golarion then?
In the case of the end of this adventure, yes. But the world setting is not affected by the events of adventure paths, so the worldwound will not be closed in later volumes referencing the region.

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            zergtitan is correct, though, in that the official Paizo stance is that, with the exception of Shattered Star (this adventure path assumed that Rise of the Runelords had happened), Paizo does not assume that any adventure paths and modules have actually happened, leaving it up to GMs and players to tell the story of Golarion, whether through official adventure material or homebrew campaigns. Some people like that approach to Pathfinder, others don't. Personally, I like it. :)

| Liz Courts Webstore Gninja Minion | 
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            zergtitan is correct, though, in that the official Paizo stance is that, with the exception of Shattered Star (this adventure path assumed that Rise of the Runelords had happened), Paizo does not assume that any adventure paths and modules have actually happened, leaving it up to GMs and players to tell the story of Golarion, whether through official adventure material or homebrew campaigns. Some people like that approach to Pathfinder, others don't. Personally, I like it. :)
The Jade Regent Adventure Path also assumes that Rise of the Runelords happened, and I *think* that Shattered Star also assumes that Curse of the Crimson Throne happened.

|  James Jacobs 
                
                
                  
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            We'll be talking SPECIFICALLY about the topic of what it means to world canon in the last WotR I suspect, since it's going to have some significant changes on the world no matter what the PC's level of success is.
But yes. Basically...it's only canon to YOUR would once your group plays the adventure. No other adventure is assumed to have occurred in Golarion yet, which means that someone who comes to Golarion today has only to buy the Inner Sea World Guide to be ready to go with pretty much ANY of our other products. That new customer doesn't have to read through 6 years of books to get caught up. And perhaps more importantly for us developers... neither do new freelancers.

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            The Jade Regent Adventure Path also assumes that Rise of the Runelords happened, and I *think* that Shattered Star also assumes that Curse of the Crimson Throne happened.
You would know better than I, of course, but I always assumed that with Jade Regent, Rise of the Runelords MIGHT have happened, and that the thing the two had in common was more related to some of the NPCs than the actual storylines, whereas Shattered Star assumed that Rise of the Runelords and possibly Curse of the Crimson Throne DID happen.
Regardless, I really like the stance Paizo has on the subject in general. That, as James put it, it'll only be canon in my game. That's beautiful. :)

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            That would be cool. I can imagine House Thrune pretty much crapping themselves once they realize a party of level 20s/MT 10s are headed their way.
That, or they can go to Geb and finally put Arazni to rest.
Now I REALLY wanna run WotR :D
"An army of 1,000 Hellknights at once? We just killed SEVEN demon lords, pal.
Bring it."

| magnuskn | 
 
	
 
                
                
              
            
            Regardless, I really like the stance Paizo has on the subject in general. That, as James put it, it'll only be canon in my game. That's beautiful. :)
I'll refrain from trying to discuss this more in depth, because a.) wrong thread for it and b.) already done so, multiple times and since I know James and Paizo's stance on this, I'll just have to wait and see what happens in a few years. :)

| Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal | 
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            zergtitan is correct, though, in that the official Paizo stance is that, with the exception of Shattered Star (this adventure path assumed that Rise of the Runelords had happened), Paizo does not assume that any adventure paths and modules have actually happened, leaving it up to GMs and players to tell the story of Golarion, whether through official adventure material or homebrew campaigns. Some people like that approach to Pathfinder, others don't. Personally, I like it. :)
Shattered Star assumed that all three of the original Varisia Adventure Paths happened, there are references to certain of the events in Second Darkness as well, just not as overt as the references to RotRL & CotCT.

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            Wait, Mythic characters become "Immortal" at Tier 9. But there are certain methods of killing them that do work.
Is it possible that Deskari might have to kill the PCs more then once? Because it might lead to the party having to keep "re-spawning" and coming back, which has the potential to be either hilarious or annoying.

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            Wait, Mythic characters become "Immortal" at Tier 9. But there are certain methods of killing them that do work.
Is it possible that Deskari might have to kill the PCs more then once? Because it might lead to the party having to keep "re-spawning" and coming back, which has the potential to be either hilarious or annoying.
Oh jeez. I can see it now. Deskari camping on their respawn point... :D

| Alleran | 
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Wait, Mythic characters become "Immortal" at Tier 9. But there are certain methods of killing them that do work.
Is it possible that Deskari might have to kill the PCs more then once? Because it might lead to the party having to keep "re-spawning" and coming back, which has the potential to be either hilarious or annoying.
I suspect that Deskari will have an artifact of some sort.
Otherwise, the PCs will just respawn.
On the other hand, if they respawn and their bodies are still in Deskari's possession, ready for torture and to be bled of their mythic power like Rasputin tried with Dear Grandmother, well... Baba Yaga has 10 Mythic tiers. A party of four or five people with forty tiers between them? Delicious mythic supercharging for Deskari.

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            Wait, Mythic characters become "Immortal" at Tier 9. But there are certain methods of killing them that do work.
Is it possible that Deskari might have to kill the PCs more then once? Because it might lead to the party having to keep "re-spawning" and coming back, which has the potential to be either hilarious or annoying.
good point. Remember also that demon lords respawn as well. so as long as Deskari can survive a year after the PCs kill him the first time it could become an eternal battle of some sort
 
	
 
     
     
    

 
	 
	
  
 
                
                 
	
  
	
  
 
                
                 
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
 
                
                 
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
	
 