A question regarding Apsu's domains: The Inner Sea World Guide lists Apsu's domains as Creation, Good, Law, Scalykind and Travel, while Faiths of Purity lists Creation, Earth, Good, Law and Travel. Which is correct?
Also, in both cases, I think Creation should be Artifice.
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A question regarding Apsu's domains: The Inner Sea World Guide lists Apsu's domains as Creation, Good, Law, Scalykind and Travel, while Faiths of Purity lists Creation, Earth, Good, Law and Travel. Which is correct?
Also, in both cases, I think Creation should be Artifice.
No matter how many times the folks at Paizo attempt to squish the Creation domain it will always find a way to creep into another book...
A question regarding Apsu's domains: The Inner Sea World Guide lists Apsu's domains as Creation, Good, Law, Scalykind and Travel, while Faiths of Purity lists Creation, Earth, Good, Law and Travel. Which is correct?
Also, in both cases, I think Creation should be Artifice.
This has already been covered in the Inner Sea World Guide errata thread.
This has already been covered in the Inner Sea World Guide errata thread.
Only the part about the Creation/Artifice domain was. This is about the ISWG saying Apsu grants the Scalykind domain, while FoP replaces that with th Earth domain.
This has already been covered in the Inner Sea World Guide errata thread.Only the part about the Creation/Artifice domain was. This is about the ISWG saying Apsu grants the Scalykind domain, while FoP replaces that with th Earth domain.
I know I have seen that one too. It may have been dealt with in the thread for the Golarion Day blog, Other Gods and New Subdomains, or in the one after that, Subdomains for Everyone!
REEEAAALLLY enjoyed reading this one!
The Paladinic oaths are particularly good for helping players roleplay. The writing is very enjoyable, easy to read, and lots of great ideas.
Just bought the print version of this and was expecting to be able to download the PDF version too (without paying) like I get to do with the adventure paths. Am I wrong in my understanding?
You get that with the adventure paths because you subscribe to the line. If you subscribed to the companion line, you would have received the PDF of this. However, just buying a book does not give you the associated PDF for free.
EDIT:Had wrong product line identified first.
About the picture on page 7: Is that the actual size of a starknife? I had always pictured them as being smaller. It looks like she'd hurt herself if she tried to sit down ... or others if she was walking through a crowd.
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About the picture on page 7: Is that the actual size of a starknife? I had always pictured them as being smaller. It looks like she'd hurt herself if she tried to sit down ... or others if she was walking through a crowd.
That did strike me as a way-larger-than-expected starknife. At first glance, I thought that it was a halfling woman holding an inapppropriately sized medium starknife, or something. (The halfling version of Amiri?)
For a weapon that weighs 3 lbs, the one on p. 7 looked like it should weight *at least* as much as 4 daggers strapped together, if not 8 lbs or so (since the daggers looked like they were oversized for the wielder).
In further starknife quibbling, I didn't really get the way it was being held on p. 25 either. That's a pretty awkward grip she's got there, and it seems like the weapon would be difficult, if not impossible, to use effectively the way she's got it positioned.
Less 'holding a weapon' and more 'modeling the latest fashion from Varisia...' :)
But hey, that's pretty much my biggest quibble with the book (other than the Illuminator and Eye of the Father traits), so it's probably a testament to the quality of the book that I'm bickering over the proportions and use of perspective in a couple of the pictures. :)
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This book is "What does this belonging to religion do for my character, even if I'm not a divine spellcaster?"
This remark, along with its descriptive text, is what prompted me to purchase the book. Ultimately, I found it only lived up to half of the expectations I had. The story/world aspects explaining how the deities think and what is expected of their followers were very good; I enjoyed those overviews, plus the bits about holy days and deity-specific organizations.
However, I was very disappointed to find that some classes got little to nothing in the way of game content in this book. It's very good that Druids, Rangers, and Bards picked up a few divine-themed things to use, but I was personally hoping for a little content for Wizards and Sorcerers too. Especially the latter, since Celestial Bloodlines are an option for them and this seemed like an interesting place to expand on the concept. This struck me as particularly weird since a few deity write-ups explicitly mention these two classes are welcome so long as they otherwise adhere to the faith (Sarenrae's section in particular notes this).
In the end, I am pleased with the 'story content' of the book, and unhappy with the rest due to what I see as serious omissions. Unless I missed something, there doesn't appear to be even a token offering to the Sor/Wiz classes to facilitate character concepts of these casters having strong faith-based themes to their magic (which a few of the Sorc Bloodlines do encourage as one interpretation of their power, after all). I hope future products will offer some additional attention to this idea, as it's of particular interest to me.
This may deserve its own thread but it's semi appropriate to here: Could there exist characters and/or a culture where two deities are revered above most others? I have this weird idea for a ranger, race is built using Fursona pdf but is essentially a mixture of wolf and bear, whose alignment is Neutral Good, hunts undead and aberrations, that has a few things going on with him simultaneously in that he is more or less Green Faith whose idea of divinity is duality in that he is faithful to both Desna and Erastil. He carries a Star Knife and a Composite Long Bow as part of his devotion. Among the traits and feats I want for him are Faithful Artist (Desna Trait to make him a kind of singing ranger, performing mainly John Denver type songs) and Bull's Eye Shot (his combat style is going to be archery after all). How much of an oddball would he be? Or would very few people take him seriously?
Considering that you're using Fursona to make an anthropomorphic wolf-bear PCs, you're already very far from a standard Golarion compaign, so your character's choice of deities and his culture that led to that choice isn't really any more "oddball" than your character's race.
The standard Golarion campaign is one that only makes provisions for the "standard races" which I actually find boring. I canceled my companion description to ensure I would not be getting Halflings of Golarion or Humans of Golarion so this really does not answer the question I posed about faith.
It answers you question perfectly as your character will be an oddball anywhere in Golarion, no matter what kind of faith he pursues, as that kind of "furry" character is practically unheard of in Golarion.
Exactly my point.
Your character is an intelligent anthropomorphic animal, which isn't a common, uncommon, or rare thing in any part of the Inner Sea region--it's extremely rare. Therefore, "how I was raised to worship both of these deities" isn't what makes your character an oddball in the standard setting, it's the fact that you're an intelligent anthropomorphic animal.
It's like being on Earth and saying, "Hey, I'm a Seventh-Day Adventist and I also worship the Greek gods. Does that make me an oddball? Also, I'm a talking wolf-bear." People wouldn't freak out because of your unusual religion combo, they'd freak because you're a talking wolf-bear.
If your specific question is "are people going to think I'm weird because I worship Green Faith/Erastil/Desna?" then the answer is "no," most people are fairly polytheistic. People wouldn't think that was weird at all. They'd think it was weird you're a talking anthropomorphic animal (to be fair, they'd probably be just as freaked if an orc or treant were talking to them).
Sara Forlenza's artwork in this product was AWESOME. I really hope we see more of her stuff in the future.
Really liked the Torag and Erastil worshipers in particular.
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Sara Forlenza's artwork in this product was AWESOME. I really hope we see more of her stuff in the future.
Really liked the Torag and Erastil worshipers in particular.
It was solid work, but I have to admit I hope she does some female characters that don't veer so hard away from the Kyra/Seelah standard.
Don't get me wrong, it was good. But it was a bit jarring to have all of the female characters in a Pathfinder book lean hard in the cheesecake direction with no practically dressed examples.
Sara Forlenza's artwork in this product was AWESOME. I really hope we see more of her stuff in the future.
Really liked the Torag and Erastil worshipers in particular.
It was solid work, but I have to admit I hope she does some female characters that don't veer so hard away from the Kyra/Seelah standard.
Don't get me wrong, it was good. But it was a bit jarring to have all of the female characters in a Pathfinder book lean hard in the cheesecake direction with no practically dressed examples.
I guess I'm utterly of no specific opinion on the cheesecake. I like good cheesecake, beefcake, and whatever you call it when they are dressed (frosted cake?) I like Seelah and I like Seoni.
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a Neutral Gods book yet, or is that still in the works? I'm going to be starting my subscription next month with this book, but would also snag a copy of the neutral book at the same time, if there is one.
Sara Forlenza's artwork in this product was AWESOME. I really hope we see more of her stuff in the future.
Really liked the Torag and Erastil worshipers in particular.
It was solid work, but I have to admit I hope she does some female characters that don't veer so hard away from the Kyra/Seelah standard.
Don't get me wrong, it was good. But it was a bit jarring to have all of the female characters in a Pathfinder book lean hard in the cheesecake direction with no practically dressed examples.
I guess I'm utterly of no specific opinion on the cheesecake. I like good cheesecake, beefcake, and whatever you call it when they are dressed (frosted cake?) I like Seelah and I like Seoni.
Hey, I'd be happy if they got Olivia DeBeradinis to do some artwork! Heh, like that will ever happen, but we can dream!
Seriously though, that's part of the genre. Long time fans of Paizo should remember when they got droves of letters because they had a shirtless man on the cover of a Dragon magazine and "OMG I can't buy that, it's got a naked man on the cover that is so gross!" and those of us with at least half a brain and/or that are comfortable in our sexuality were like "Are you Fing serious? You won't buy a magazine cause it has a shirtless guy on the cover? Seriously? Hello, ever seen CONAN!?"
I once subscribed to a video game magazine and they had an issue with The Rock, shirtless on the cover... they never got any "OMG WTF" letters (or if they did, they didn't publish them for sane readers to laugh about) so why does the roleplaying game industry have the only idiot gamers?
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a Neutral Gods book yet, or is that still in the works? I'm going to be starting my subscription next month with this book, but would also snag a copy of the neutral book at the same time, if there is one.
Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there a Neutral Gods book yet, or is that still in the works? I'm going to be starting my subscription next month with this book, but would also snag a copy of the neutral book at the same time, if there is one.
Awesome, thanks! I really need to improve my search fu, huh?
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It's like being on Earth and saying, "Hey, I'm a Seventh-Day Adventist and I also worship the Greek gods. Does that make me an oddball? Also, I'm a talking wolf-bear." People wouldn't freak out because of your unusual religion combo, they'd freak because you're a talking wolf-bear.
Okay, I laughed out loud. Nicely done.
Although, if 7th-Day Adventists include a bunch of werewolfs, and there's a pack of weebears down in Cyprus still worshipping the Greek gods, then it all starts to make sense.
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How odd is it to have a character who worships a deity not associated with his class? For example, one of my current Pathfinder Society characters is a wizard who likes having good strategies and happens to be Lawful Good in alignment. So, I had him pick Torag as going against type, although the god is shown to have a fair number of human worshipers? How odd is this as a choice, and how do most people react when they see a character who is a member of a class not often associated with the worship of a given deity.
How odd is it to have a character who worships a deity not associated with his class? For example, one of my current Pathfinder Society characters is a wizard who likes having good strategies and happens to be Lawful Good in alignment. So, I had him pick Torag as going against type, although the god is shown to have a fair number of human worshipers? How odd is this as a choice, and how do most people react when they see a character who is a member of a class not often associated with the worship of a given deity.
Hmm good question. I tend to pick a deity based on their portfolio and such, not was "class" suggestions might be, so this would be interesting to know.
On a side note, something I like about Golarion is that the gods are the gods, there is no "race gods" with like elves have their own pantheon, halflings have their own pantheon, etc.
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How odd is it to have a character who worships a deity not associated with his class? For example, one of my current Pathfinder Society characters is a wizard who likes having good strategies and happens to be Lawful Good in alignment. So, I had him pick Torag as going against type, although the god is shown to have a fair number of human worshipers? How odd is this as a choice, and how do most people react when they see a character who is a member of a class not often associated with the worship of a given deity.
Tenser, back in ye olde days, was a pretty non-traditional wizard who was LG and focused on martial matters, over arcane stuff.
Arazni, in Golarion, seems to have been similar, a tactical war-wizard sort of figure.
I'd be all for it. A wizard or magus who reveres Irori, an Asmodean ranger / bounty hunter who idealizes the infernal ecology of the Hells, or a halfling cavalier who is a devout follower of Calistria, seem like credible lifestyle choices.
Particularly with the racially-connected gods, like Calistria and Torag, as long as dwarves can be wizards and elves can be cavaliers, it would make sense that there would be the occasional Calistrian cavalier or Toragite wizard, and both dieties seem to have plenty of human followers as well.
There probably aren't a ton of monks that revere the teachings of Gorum or Rovagug, but, otherwise, most things are pretty easy to rationalize. One might worship Abadar merely because one's parents / home community did, and not have ever felt a calling to switch a more class-appropriate diety.
On a side note, something I like about Golarion is that the gods are the gods, there is no "race gods" with like elves have their own pantheon, halflings have their own pantheon, etc.
Elves do have their own pantheon. Findeladlara, Ketephys and Yuelral the Wise, in addition to Desna, Calistria and Nethys.
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May I lodge a pretty irritated complaint?
The author of the book apparently was under the mistaken impression that Inquisitors cannot be of chaotic alignment, because otherwise I can't explain why he thought it necessary to actively discourage players from being Inquisitors of Cayden Cailean and Desna. >.<
I was looking for inspirations what an Inquisitor of Cayden would be like, not for advice to not take the class for a worshipper of those faiths.
May I lodge a pretty irritated complaint?
The author of the book apparently was under the mistaken impression that Inquisitors cannot be of chaotic alignment, because otherwise I can't explain why he thought it necessary to actively discourage players from being Inquisitors of Cayden Cailean and Desna. >.<
I was looking for inspirations what an Inquisitor of Cayden would be like, not for advice to not take the class for a worshipper of those faiths.
I understand your irritation, even though I don't think Cayden Cailean is a common choice for an inquisitor character.
I'm going to be playing one in James Jacob's upcoming Sandpoint campaign--Rejald Unthara, expatriate of (true) Galt, and inquisitor of Cayden Cailean.
Rejald is on the hunt for craven creatures too stupid or evil to enjoy life's pleasures, all in the pursuit to live a brave an unrepentant life. Rumor has it that he and his companions will be going up against a fair number of undead, which may be his perfect enemy. After all, the undead can't drink and are rarely merry. Many of them are too mindless to be brave, the rest are often fearful of true death, which isn't exactly brave either. We'll see how how he does. Worse comes to worst, his companions can raise copious glasses in memory his heroic death found in the pursuit of making Golarion safe for true libertines.
I'll let you know how it goes, but that's my take on an inquisitor of Cayden Cailean.
Thanks for the advice. I am more than a bit at odds with the general perception that Inquisitors need to be dour and joyless, which is what many a flavor text about the class seems to imply. The class is alignment compatible with every god/dess there is, as such it should be expected that gods like Cayden, Desna, Kurgess and so on produce Inquisitors who are more fun to be around.
If the class was planned to not be for merry characters, it should have been reflected via restrictions.
If the class was planned to not be for merry characters, it should have been reflected via restrictions.
I think any alignment can be merry. Lawful != humorless. I'm sure there are characters who are dourly chaotic as well.
I do agree that if a class doesn't have alignment restrictions, it should have support for gods of all alignments.
If the class was planned to not be for merry characters, it should have been reflected via restrictions.I think any alignment can be merry. Lawful != humorless. I'm sure there are characters who are dourly chaotic as well.
I do agree that if a class doesn't have alignment restrictions, it should have support for gods of all alignments.
I was quite aware that you cannot restrict merriment via alignment. ^^ Hence I just said "restrictions", because I wasn't sure yesterday on how to do that via the alignment system.
If the Inquisitor is thought to be so intense that it cannot have a good time, maybe they should just have restricted gods of good feelings from the class from the outset. I'm still planning to go for my Inquisitor of Cayden and will play him as laid back as possible.
Was there ever any clarification on Butterfly's Sting, and the whole "I'm using a 15-20 kukri and a x4 weapon" thing?