Yay! cities!!! Can't wait to see it
Ok this look really cool.
Hm, does this have something to do with the SECRET project Mr. Jacobs was talking about when doing the mappers open call...?
Can't wait to have this one, you can never have enough cities.
Mmmm...cities...
Omg yes!
Important informashun!
Personally, I can't wait for vigil.
comeon comeoncomeon.
Vigil is for me!!! All for me!!! Vigil! Vigil! Vigil!
City products are always good because, next to modules, they are the most easily adaptable product to other campaign settings.
I have zero interest in Golarion, but there is a high probability I'll pick this one up - I've picked up all the previous city books so far.
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Yay! Nisroch! Easily my favorite place on Golarion so far, and that's just going by the PFCS. I'm writing a fan fiction set there, just for my own practice, and I'm trying to get a bead on Nisrochians (Nisrochis?) attitudes and prejudices and how they relate to the world. So far it's a bit of "hardboiled noir" meets "Edgar Allen Poe," meets "Hellraiser," meets "fascist totalitarian regime" so I'm definitely going to add this to my cart and see how my ideas measure up to what the Paizo authors think the place is. :)
This looks absolutely gorgeous! I'm totally pumped for this. Absolutely sold. If you made a whole line of these I would buy every single one. Thanks, you guys are great!
...oh, and I love you, Paizo.
Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games
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This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.
You guys are intentionally twisting both of my arms to convince me to pick up a Chronicles subscription, aren't you!!?!??
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This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.
I personally know that Ilizmagorti will kick Vigil's booty any day of the week, and then some! Boo-yaah! ;)
I'm excited about Whitethrone, does anybody know who is writing that?
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Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games
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This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.I personally know that Ilizmagorti will kick Vigil's booty any day of the week, and then some! Boo-yaah! ;)
As if! In your face, you swamp-sucking bug-lovers! The Last(wall capital city) shall be First!
I must say this looks great
this is the kind of book I always wanted for my once loved Forgotten Realms
I'm excited about Whitethrone, does anybody know who is writing that?
Mr. Jonathan Keith. :)
I'm excited about Whitethrone, does anybody know who is writing that?Mr. Jonathan Keith. :)
Well I look forward to what he comes up with!
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As if! In your face, you swamp-sucking bug-lovers! The Last(wall capital city) shall be First!This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.I personally know that Ilizmagorti will kick Vigil's booty any day of the week, and then some! Boo-yaah! ;)
The first to fall to the crimson claws of the Red Mantis, you mean?
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Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games
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The first to fall to the crimson claws of the Red Mantis, you mean?As if! In your face, you swamp-sucking bug-lovers! The Last(wall capital city) shall be First!This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.I personally know that Ilizmagorti will kick Vigil's booty any day of the week, and then some! Boo-yaah! ;)
No, the first to fall to the editorial purification of the esteemed Master Reynolds, Lord of Cruel Truth (TM)!
Oo, oo, whos doing Cassomir? I'm very interested in Cassomir.
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This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.
most excellent
already waiting for itdid Master Reynolds, speaker of thruth finished reviewing this noble city?
Oo, oo, whos doing Cassomir? I'm very interested in Cassomir.
Paizo's friendly Taldor expert.
Ha. You said "friendly."Oo, oo, whos doing Cassomir? I'm very interested in Cassomir.Paizo's friendly Taldor expert.
I know, right? So not true.
Now that I've seen the, IMO, very disappointing map of Westcrown from CoT#1, I have to ask:
Are the maps in this product in the style of the superior maps such as Sandpoint, Magnimar, Riddleport, etc?
Or are they the inferior version like that of Westcrown?
This will decide whether I purchase this product or not.
While I feel your use of the words "superior" and "inferior" are inflammatory, the maps in Cities of Golarion are like the maps we produced for Sandpoint and so on, not the more in-world style of the Westcrown map.
While I feel your use of the words "superior" and "inferior" are inflammatory, the maps in Cities of Golarion are like the maps we produced for Sandpoint and so on, not the more in-world style of the Westcrown map.
Hmmm... I suppose, then, that you're not in the messageboard school of posting that believes that all posts have an implied "IMO" after each sentence. Oh well. (And since map preferences can only possibly be subjective, my post could only possibly be my opinion based on my personal preferences.)
And I'm sorry that your business feels that one of your customer's personal preferences is "inflammatory". Also unfortunate. Nothing I can do about that, though. What I like is what I like!
In any case, thanks for the good news! I can't wait for this product (and the accompanying poster map product). I love city books!
Sean is in business, and the customers opinion about your product is always right. If you can't handle that, get out of business.
On top of that Arnwyn is right about which maps are "inferior" to which, something that should be noted and taken into consideration for all future maps.
So thats two "opinions" that PAizo missed the boat on their usual quality of presentation.
Vigil is for me!!! All for me!!! Vigil! Vigil! Vigil!
I'm all for what now?
This is actually one of my favorite things I've worked on for Paizo. I liked the approach to it and getting to delve more deeply into an area I'd already written about (Lastwall for the campaign book). I hope people enjoy the Vigil section and that every part of the book kicks booty.I personally know that Ilizmagorti will kick Vigil's booty any day of the week, and then some! Boo-yaah! ;)
Why is everyone picking on me. And you can tell that Ilizmagorti joker that I've studied Tsoi Li Ho Fut Kung Fu and can totally take care of myself.
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Sean is in business, and the customers opinion about your product is always right. If you can't handle that, get out of business.
That's only true if you only have one customer and even then they might not know how the implications of a choice might develop in a way that the producer does.
And Sean is a human being, so you have a moral responsibility to treat him with with respect.
I'm not saying that you were rude: I'm just pointing out that this argument is the thin end of a particularly unpleasant wedge.
I actually like having a variety of map styles that give a hint of the flavour of the environment they represent.
Living in a long-established European city I think that the clear delineated maps of the style employed for Sandpoint would struggle to do justice to the topographical complexity of such a place and thus find the Westcrown map quite apropos.
Sean is in business, and the customers opinion about your product is always right. If you can't handle that, get out of business.That's only true if you only have one customer and even then they might not know how the implications of a choice might develop in a way that the producer does.
And Sean is a human being, so you have a moral responsibility to treat him with with respect.
I'm not saying that you were rude: I'm just pointing out that this argument is the thin end of a particularly unpleasant wedge.
I actually like having a variety of map styles that give a hint of the flavour of the environment they represent.
Living in a long-established European city I think that the clear delineated maps of the style employed for Sandpoint would struggle to do justice to the topographical complexity of such a place and thus find the Westcrown map quite apropos.
I was a jeweler for over 8 years doing custom made designs. Customers use the language they use, and I accepted it and learned to talk with them despite how rude or hostile they may have started the conversation. As a professional, you do not respond by being confrontational in return.
As for the map itself, enlarge it. There is a lot of detail there, that gets blurred by the enlargement. Plus look at the colors used. So the size with which it is presented actually damages the detail, either because it is to small in print, or gets blurred when enlarged in the PDF when you get to a scale where the detail is easy to see.
Plus the colors are bad. They don't help with contrasting the buildings and other features, making the over all appearance blend into one big looking mess.
This is not what I am used to seeing from Paizo, and frankly this isn't the first map I was disappointed in.
I hope when the Map pack for this folio is done the scale is enlarged to better show off the details that are there, and the color scheme is also changed to strengthen the visibility of those details.
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was a jeweler for over 8 years doing custom made designs. Customers use the language they use, and I accepted it and learned to talk with them despite how rude or hostile they may have started the conversation. As a professional, you do not respond by being confrontational in return.
I would like to think that as a dignified and polite human being you do not respond by being confrontational in return.
But then jobs are complex things, in this instance Sean has not only to deal with a single customer but to do so before a wider audience of customers and acting not only as a producer/salesman but also as a moderator on messageboards whose corespondents are generally very well-mannered.
Places of business also work very hard to establish reputations - I had a friend who worked in a cocktail bar that would happily kick out people who were rude even if they were big spenders.
In any case; I would like to reiterate that I do not think anyone has been rude in this thread. I just think that the idea of the customer's infallibility can be taken a little too literally.
Plus the colors are bad. They don't help with contrasting the buildings and other features, making the over all appearance blend into one big looking mess...
I think we can safely assume that the colour scheme was an active choice. I am guessing that it was intended to replicate the limited colour scheme and reliance on shading found in many early maps - that is, it has a role in expressing the flavour of the city and that has been given precedence over other factors.
I like it but I seem to be in a minority, at least amongst the cohort of people who post on the messageboards and have Adventure Path subscriptions.
Sean is in business, and the customers opinion about your product is always right.
*chuckle*
And Sean is a human being
*double chuckle*
And Sean is a human being*double chuckle*
Hee hee! :)
And while I'm here, this might be interesting reading for everyone. :)
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And Sean is a human being*double chuckle*Hee hee! :)
And while I'm here, this might be interesting reading for everyone. :)
NICE!!!
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