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Grand Lodge ***** ⦵⦵ Venture-Agent, Texas—Austin aka Partizanski

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Just jumping in to say that I still am showing 0 playtest points

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This one comes from PFS and is still the best pun I have heard playing this game for almost 10 years.

PFS Season 7 Spoiler:

For those that don't know, PFS S7 revolves around the fact that one of our Venture-Captains and (at the time) Master of Spells had been assassinated, and his soul trapped so that he cannot be resurrected.

That VC's name was Aram Zey

So here I am, running PFS #7-23. The goal of this scenario is to track down the holder of his soul into a market place that exists on the Astral Plane. In the course of asking around the market, the party is pointed to a Xill and a Phase Spider with competing stalls across the street. Off course, their species being ancient enemies means the PC's need to careful decide who they talk to first.

After some discussion, neither side has convinced the other, until of my players drops this bomb...

Awesome Player wrote:
You know that they say. Where there's a Xill, there's a Zey

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PBP is something that has intrigued me for a long time, but every guide I find feels like it only tells me half the story of what I need to get started, and its hard to put it all together.

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I have dealt with situations like this several times, both before and after becoming a VO. We game in a public FLGS, and are always accepting new players of all types/skill levels. Everyone once in a while, you get people that come in and become quickly disruptive with the way they play.

What I have found to work best is to simple call out the behavior and the consequences of it. This has caused the player to either realize what they are doing and the issues with it, or realize that the game they want to play doesn't work in PFS and stop coming out.

Some examples from my experience with some details changed:

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Almost Cannibalism:

New Player: [Just after killing a member of a core race in the middle of Absalom] Can I use his bones and other body parts to make tools?

Me: Yes, but that is extremely evil, and will earn you an evil mark, which is a warning that your character will likely be kicked out of the Society for their actions if you continue.

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Brave Sir Robin:

This player constantly ran away, and used ineffectual tactics that we causing scenarios to be much harder than normal, and even caused some preventable character death due to not contributing in combat.

Several times I explained that if you don't do something bigger/better, several characters will die, and this usually pushed them to do something much more effective and/or not run away

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In your case, explaining that if their character doesn't participate, that the mission will fail for everyone might be enough to get them the message across. If they are still reluctant, perhaps ask them why the Society would send his character out on these missions if everyone comes back saying he doesn't actually help.

These are the tools you can use at the table as a player or GM if this is a reoccurring problem. If these fail, I agree that escalation to a VO would be the next step.

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Selvaxri wrote:

#1-30 Survivor's Salvation

Party: My Sarcesian Operative, Morlamaw Operative [dubbed "Stealth Walrus"], Nuar Mechanic, Ysoki Mystic, Lashunta Solarion, and Lashunta Envoy.
** spoiler omitted **

Out of the core crew of regulars with high level characters we have, one is an operative, and what you said describes level 1-6 for him.

He would only ever at most make either the attack roll or the trick attack, but never both. What is worse is that it was much more often that it would be only his trick attack roll that would succeed.

He played the character as a chain smoking alcoholic through those levels, then at 7, he cleaned up his act. Lo and Behold, he finally started consistently started hitting both his trick attack AND his attack roll.

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Just for fun I did the following.

Nimble Elf + Fleet : 40
Level 20 Monk : +35
Barbarian Fast Movement: +10 (Luckily we only need to last 1 round)
Boots of Bounding : +10

Total move speed per stride = 95

With Ki rush, we can take two strides as one action, and we can ki rush 3 times in a round.

Total move speed in a round = 570'

This equates to

3.45 seconds, 100m dash
5.18 seconds, 150m dash

This is assuming no buff time. If I can buff, I would rather multiclass wizard to cast fleet step to be accelerated 30 and haste to have the extra action, making my total move speed in a round 805' (I assume you can't ki rush with the haste action).

2.44 seconds, 100m dash
3.67 seconds, 150m dash

For another reference, that is about 89mph (144kph) for a round.

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I also want to say that flavor boons, even if they give little no mechanical bonus are much preferred to anything that is one time use or boons that are only useful in very specific circumstances.

Permanent, thematic boons are something I am vastly more interested, rather than turning my collection of PF1 boons into a blank currency.

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Looks great, though I am disappointed treat wounds DC wasn't toned down.

I would "adventuring" checks like treat wounds and bardic performance to scaled no faster than 1 per level. That way if you only invest a bit, you always have to roll the same number, and if you keep investing you outpace it.

I would much rather the DC for both to be easy+X (x could be anything appropriate, like 4 or 5) because that is the only scale that goes up by only 1 each level.

Dying being a flat check that can be improved by toughness I am 100% behind on paper because it just makes everything easier on both the GM and the players.

Spell updates look good as well, looking forward to see what else comes out of the spell buffs.

Next week I get to find out if the Red Flags adjustment is enough.

Overall, I am very excited about the changes and looking forward to 1.6!

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Personally, I enjoy the big buckets of dice way more than high level characters doing 1d4+25 damage.

Sure its a little slower to actually add up, but it is way more fun as a martial character to get to actually do the handful of dice that has been only a casters domain for years.

As others have said, if you don't like it, just house rule that additional damage dice from magic weapons do average damage.

So a if you have a +4 greatsword, instead of 5d12, do 1d12+26

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So I know Sajan is not one of the pregens, but I am curious

In this system, if you were playing a Monk, you would not get additional focus based on wisdom, but on CHA instead.

Since monk class features do not scale on wisdom in any way, wont that skew monks into bumping up CHA. I see the same issue for rangers.

That all being said, I love the direction this is going and look forward to seeing how it plays out.

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Good News! I just checked and it appears we can report all parts of Doomsday Dawn!

I will have to try it when I get home, but at the very least they are showing up on the drop down.

Now to once again bother Paizo about getting repeat runnings of DD and PFS scenarios to give credit :)

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Cyrad wrote:


The gamemaster gave me a hard look and responded in a manner I assumed was both in- and out-of-character. "If you didn't say you were using chi, this would totally be chi-ting."

FTFY

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One more thing I would like is for treat wounds to be based off of the Easy scale on table 10-2

What I noticed is that as you go the a higher difficulty, not only is the base number larger, but it also scales faster.

What I found is that with the same equipment, my monk needed an 8 at level 5 to Treat Wounds, and then an 8 at level 10.

So really he didn't seem to get better. He does heal more hitpoints now, but it would be nice if the DC didn't scale with you, but rather you outpaced it a little bit.

I could imagine something like easy DC+4 or +5, so that as you level up, your odds of succeeding and crit succeeding go up.

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KingOfAnything wrote:
The survey for Part 2 is open on the Playtest homepage.

True, but I have two tables of Part 2 to report, but it is not available on the reporting form

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Fritterfae, I am posting my own issues in here as well as a general thread. I can move this out to my own if that is more appropriate.

Another issue is that it seems that as a GM I cannot earn point for running it more than once.

When I put it in a second time, I get the following error

"Player has already run scenario at ..."

and it gives me no points for having played it.

I was under the assumption that repeat plays/GM's would still earn you points. I am still happy to keep running, but would like to know what the expectation is.

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I like Paizo's more recent approach to focusing on DEX, which is shifters grace and lethal grace.

I would like to see a general feat that says if you use DEX to attack and STR to damage, you get to add half your level to damage.

IF you have 10 STR so be it. You still get to add half your level. If you invest in both, then you get even more damage out of it.

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Last night my table found a Mk1 null-space chamber.

They immediately put it in the ysoki's cheek pouches and described putting the two suits of Vesk Overplate 2 as well as anything else into his new and improved "cheeck pouch".

The idea of a ysoki sword-swallowing massive armor and weapons with ease had all of us in stitches for the rest of the scenario.

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Donated. Always sad to hear about something like this. I am sorry for your loss

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I am really confused where this whole "natural 20 auto suceeds and natural 1 auto fails skill checks" is coming from.

From what I gather, it seems like there is a DC, and you take your total and compare. If you are between DC and +10, you succeed, if you beat DC+10 you crit succeed, and the opposite direction failure

People are talking about a 20 letting them jump to the moon, but even with a 20 you still need to beat the DC of 5.044 billion to get there (assuming the moon is the same distance as Earth's).

EDIT: I reread it and it seems to critically succeed, you need to either beat the DC+10 or roll a 20 and still beat the DC. Then just the opposite direction failure/natural 1s. Still very reasonable

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I really do not understand the problem, this happened in PF as well. More than once have I seen "I use the wand as a standard, pass it as a move" back and forth between 2-3 characters.

The only difference now is with three actions, I guess you get a little more use out of it, but this is far from any kind of issue in the mechanics in my opinion.

Corrik wrote:
Sounds fine to me, it was really cool when Captain American and Sebastian Stan the Winter Soldier did it.

Yes it was. That reminds me that civil war is next on my IW rewatch list

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Hmm wrote:


I will agree that PFS is a major testing ground for ideas. In PFS it is possible to create dozens of different characters, some experimental and specialized. With hundreds of thousands of players worldwide, ideas get played with, and weird combinations found. It's not surprising then that overpowered combinations are often discovered there.

It's not a PFS thing... It's a power gamer thing. PFS just offers more possibilities for play, and so more situations where these combinations...

More importantly, it is a on a level playing field of house rules.

In home games, house rules can throw balance out the window from game to game. The thing about PFS is that everyone is using the same rules. I know if some ones says x is crazy strong at a PFS table, I can evaluate his argument knowing that things like wealth, encounter strength etc are at a certain point.

By the very nature of PFS play, it is easier to see how strong certain options are, and then for the designers to modify them across the board.

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Spoilers ahead:

Falling damage is 1 foot = 1 damage, and someone critically fumbled their reflex save, so they took double damage.

Starfinder non-lethal damage rules, only the last hit matters, no more separate tracking.

EDIT 1:

Thievery is a skill, a fumble caused the characters lock pick kit to be "dented",which gives an unspecified penalty

Occultism is a skill, having to due with "strange runes or symbols"
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EDIT 2:

Crits are no longer confirmed, there is a weapon property called deadly. It was on a short bow, and it mean that a crit did double damage +1d10. Rapier also has deadly.

Cantrip called "Forbidding Ward" that selects 1 enemy and 1 ally, giving the ally +1 to AC and "improved your saving throws against the target enemies attack spells and effects"
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EDIT 3:

Knowledge(Religion) is still its own skill (not sure if that had been confirmed yet).

It appears that knowledge skills are now called lore instead.

Lore skills can be done untrained, it is up to the GM to decide if someone with out training would know a specific piece of lore/knowledge with no training.

Lore(underworld) which applies to "criminal elements, like thieves guilds, criminal syndicate or network"
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EDIT 4:

The party was given a crystal vial labeled "Health" that healed 1d8 (no additional modifiers). That is similar to the healing serums of Starfinder

There is a concept called "Resonance Score", it is Level + CHA. Whenever you activate magic items or drink potions, you use up your resonance. Once it at 0, you have to start making checks to use items/drink potions. If you fail the check causing the use of the magic item to fail, and if you fumble it, you are cut of from magic items for the rest of the day. Potions no longer do anything.

When you start the day, you do whats called "Investing", where you put on your magic items, and invest your resonance so they are good all day. Even if you are cut off, you keep your bonuses (I believe)

If you find a magic items that have active effects, each use of that appears to use a resonance as well (example given was a sword that can shoot a ray of fire, each ray would cost one point of resonance).

The check after you resonance is done appears to be a "flat check", which means its a d20 with no modifiers. Starts at 10, goes up by one each time your "overspend". Again if you fumble you are cut off, which means you would need to roll a 1 on your second one to be cut off for the day.

Personal Notes: This is a big change from PF1, and it does curb the wand of CLW meta pretty heavily. It seems to borrow ides from ABP. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I would recommend everyone listen to this part to make sure I did not miss anything(Starts at 58:45).
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EDIT 5:

Condition called sick [x]. "Take -[x] on all checks and DC's, cannot willing ingest potions or anything else. Can spend action to attempt to recover to reduce by 1, or 2 on a critical success". Party could not try to recover until they exited the effect.

Added some spacers to make reading easier

That is it for part 1. I have to run SFS tonight, so I will not be able to listen to part 2 until tomorrow at the earliest. Any one can go ahead and step up and go through part 2 if you wish.

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For our lodge, we organized Starfinder on a separate night so that it would not compete with our Pathfinder tables. The low flow of content also means we are only doing Starfinder every other week instead of every week like Pathfinder.

I am still working with my local VOs on how we will offer PF1 and PF2 together. That being said, if they keep the schedule of 2 scenarios a month, that means that all of our regulars will be on the forward edge of the content, so there will be gaps that old PF1 scenarios will fill.

That being said we are lucky to get 5 tables from our venue, so we can do a split relatively easily, and I know that is not the case every where.

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Charabdos, The Tidal King wrote:
Yoon will be an adult now (she'll be 18). Assuming she's still around, that is, since Damiel has been replaced with a goblin (can't recall his name).

Replaced, or did Damiel mix up an extract and bomb, and therefore got reincarnated into a goblin!

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Blake's Tiger wrote:
P.S. I can't find a 'solar elemental' in any Paizo product.

You encounter them in a Starfinder Scenario

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
half-rocs

So is this a human with giant wings, or a Roc with a humanoid face, hands and feet?

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Fardragon wrote:
I agree, I can see a medic specialisation for the Mechanic class.

Don't worry, I hacked way all of your bullet wounds

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I am putting my vote into being able to take PFS sign language.

The only issue I see is defining the limits of what this language convey. Is it basically a full language, or just able to send simple tactical messages (trap, enemies, get reinforcements etc). I think a good place to add this would be the guild guide.

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Sam King wrote:
Since the conversation is on Wizards... I rarely see other Thessalonian Specialists outside of our own meta, and I see it there because a whole mess of us decided to do a group of wayang TSs. For those of us who have gotten some serious play time in with them, they've been an absolute blast of extremes in both builds and RP (I do sloth[conjuration]).

Considering they are not sanctioned unless you *cough**cough**cough*, that might be the reason.

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Kelly Youngblood wrote:
or play a phantom thief rogue, which trades out sneak attack

My group calls the phantom thief the PC expert class.

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There are some deities that get to add summon monster lists, see their entries in inner sea gods or deity descriptions in Adventure Paths(Example for Cayden Cailean here at the bottom of the page)

There is also certain feats that add options to summon monster list, like Expanded summon monster, Summon Good Monster,Summon Neutral Monster, and the not PFS-Legal Summon Evil Monster

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I read it is any PC who makes effort to help 322 gets a chance at the diplomacy roll, and the ones who make the DC recieve the boon.

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I did the math for the moon a while back.

Moon Math:

So here is my argument against this. You say the moons size penalty is only -128, which looks to be for something roughly 32' by 32'. Kaiju being somewhere between 50x50 to 60x60 means they have a smaller size penalty than the moon???

Nah, here is how I think it works out. The DC to see the moon is still 126,139,200. Size penalties to stealth are a function of the area the creature takes up.

Squares | Size | Penalty
1 | Medium | 0
2 | Large | -4
3 | Huge | -8
4 | Gargantuan | -12
5 | Skipped for some reason
6 | Colossal | -16

Barring the weird one which is Colossal, we can see that Stealth penalty S(p) = -1*(([Number of squares on one side you take up]-1)x4). For example for Huge we have S(p) = -1*((3-1)x4) = -1*(2x4) = -8.

As you mentioned, the moons diameter is 1,416,433 squares, which means its dimensions are 708,216x708,216. By my formula, this gives the moon a size penalty of 2,832,860.

This means the DC to see the moon is -123,306,227, well within the bounds of anyone with out the blind condition or clouded vision oracles, who have only ever heard of this "moon" thing.

Considering the size difference between the sun and moon is much bigger than the distance difference, I think its safe to say its not hard to see the sun.

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Kevin Willis wrote:
Jared Thaler wrote:
....

I am fairly sure they have to have the chaotic subtype to count as chaotic outsiders.

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Snorb wrote:
So let's talk about the moon!

So here is my argument against this. You say the moons size penalty is only -128, which looks to be for something roughly 32' by 32'. Kaiju being somewhere between 50x50 to 60x60 means they have a smaller size penalty than the moon???

Nah, here is how I think it works out. The DC to see the moon is still 126,139,200. Size penalties to stealth are a function of the area the creature takes up.

Squares | Size | Penalty
1 | Medium | 0
2 | Large | -4
3 | Huge | -8
4 | Gargantuan | -12
5 | Skipped for some reason
6 | Colossal | -16

Barring the weird one which is Colossal, we can see that Stealth penalty S(p) = -1*(([Number of squares on one side you take up]-1)x4). For example for Huge we have S(p) = -1*((3-1)x4) = -1*(2x4) = -8.

As you mentioned, the moons diameter is 1,416,433 squares, which means its dimensions are 708,216x708,216. By my formula, this gives the moon a size penalty of 2,832,860.

This means the DC to see the moon is -123,306,227, well within the bounds of anyone with out the blind condition or clouded vision oracles, who have only ever heard of this "moon" thing.

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Side Discussion:
Everytime this come up, I always remember the super saiyan mythic barbarian fight, where two come and get me barbarians with mythic combat reflexes infinitely provoke from each other attacks until the end of time.

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Where Mammoths Dare Not Tread:
We were playing up and I had my Ki throw monk. The first encounter is a T-Rex fighting some Vrocks. The GM lets us have 1 round before the fight, so I SLA true strike, won initiative, and then suplexed the T-Rex over my head and into the ground.

Needless to say, the party was in awe....

And then I almost died from the rest of the encounter.

Totally worth it.

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Jamie Charlan wrote:
Pathfinder Design Team wrote:

FAQ: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9rbh

Alchemist, Confusion Bomb: Should this discovery require a saving throw?

Yes. The target of the bomb may attempt at a save against the confusion effect (Will negates, using the bomb's DC).

This will be corrected in the next printing of Ultimate Magic.

OH.

So it's useless then.

Really, useless? Not as strong sure, but completely useless? The save DC scales with your level and the stat that is raises your damage. When you get it at level 8, it will have the same DC as a equally stated wizard casting it, and then it will go up. And that is assuming you don't pick up cognatogen for +4 intelligence (which every bomber should).

So you have a damaging high save confusion which you can throw out multiple times. At this level you can get greater invisibility, so you will rarely miss.

I admit it is not as broken as it used to be, but it is still one of the most powerful discoveries an alchemist can take at the moment.