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Secrets of Magic Playtest
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Subforums:
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Summoner Class
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Welcome to the Summoner Class Playtest!
(Sticky)
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by Mark Seifter
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Verzen,
KrispyXIV,
Katrixia
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16
others
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1,577
posts
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by Sam Phelan
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Summoner Class
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Why the separate hit point pool is important
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by Deriven Firelion
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KrispyXIV,
graystone,
Temperans
and
26
others
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746
posts
(Closed)
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by Physicskid42
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General Discussion
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Stop trying to reinvent the wheel with Magus and Summoner
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by Deriven Firelion
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Verzen,
Midnightoker,
Temperans
and
30
others
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415
posts
(Closed)
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by Darksol the Painbringer
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General Discussion
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Four Slot Casting
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by The-Magic-Sword
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Draco18s,
Midnightoker,
Unicore
and
35
others
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378
posts
(Closed)
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by Angel Hunter D
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Summoner Class
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Mechanics vs the power of imagination
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by siegfriedliner
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Darksol the Painbringer,
Sagiam,
Temperans
and
25
others
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371
posts
(Closed)
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by Salamileg
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Summoner Class
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Should the class be named something other than summoner?
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by Snes
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Temperans,
AnimatedPaper,
Rysky
and
22
others
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251
posts
(Closed)
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by Heather F
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Summoner Class
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So, summoners in PF2 are now Stand users. Is that a good thing?
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by Darksol the Painbringer
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OCEANSHIELDWOLPF 2.0,
Temperans,
Rysky
and
26
others
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246
posts
(Closed)
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by Heather F
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Magus Class
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What ELSE do you want to see improved?
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by Inquisitive Tiefling
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Unicore,
richienvh,
Martialmasters
and
35
others
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240
posts
(Closed)
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by Temperans
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General Discussion
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Paizo Blog: Secrets of Magic Playtest!
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by NightTrace
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graystone,
MaxAstro,
Martialmasters
and
58
others
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231
posts
(Closed)
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by Here4daFreeSwag
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Magus Class
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Striking Spells Action Economy
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by siegfriedliner
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MaxAstro,
Ferious Thune,
Xethik
and
45
others
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221
posts
(Closed)
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by Krysgg
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Magus Class
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Why striking spell is the most PF2 mechanic ever designed, and how I've come to love it.
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by Unicore
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Unicore,
Midnightoker,
Martialmasters
and
27
others
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204
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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Summoner Class
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Why Summoner Spellcasting is a Trap
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by Jesse_Carl
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KrispyXIV,
Verzen,
Jesse_Carl
and
20
others
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181
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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Magus Class
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Nixing Spell Slots Entirely Might be a Good Idea
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by The-Magic-Sword
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Kalaam,
richienvh,
Martialmasters
and
22
others
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177
posts
(Closed)
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by The-Magic-Sword
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Summoner Class
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Separation of Powers
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by siegfriedliner
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KrispyXIV,
Rysky,
Temperans
and
19
others
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169
posts
(Closed)
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by KrispyXIV
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Summoner Class
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What does the summoner excel at?
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by siegfriedliner
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KrispyXIV,
Martialmasters,
graystone
and
24
others
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165
posts
(Closed)
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by Temperans
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Magus Class
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Spell casting accuracy is way more complicated with the magus than it seems. An anecdotal look at 13th level
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by Unicore
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Unicore,
Capn Cupcake,
shroudb
and
28
others
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164
posts
(Closed)
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by richienvh
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Magus Class
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Magus hit chance
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by Capn Cupcake
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Unicore,
Capn Cupcake,
Martialmasters
and
31
others
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162
posts
(Closed)
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by Ramanujan
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Summoner Class
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Get rid of evolution surge
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by Verzen
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KrispyXIV,
Temperans,
Midnightoker
and
29
others
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145
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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Summoner Class
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What does Charisma do for you?
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by WatersLethe
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graystone,
Martialmasters,
Deadmanwalking
and
24
others
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144
posts
(Closed)
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by citricking
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Magus Class
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Fallacy’s of the Magus analysts
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by tytalan
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Kalaam,
Draco18s,
Midnightoker
and
32
others
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141
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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General Discussion
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New spellcasters cant use Staves.
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by shroudb
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graystone,
breithauptclan,
Unicore
and
33
others
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124
posts
(Closed)
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by thejeff
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Summoner Class
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Summoner; a closer look
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by Martialmasters
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Martialmasters,
KrispyXIV,
SuperBidi
and
23
others
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124
posts
(Closed)
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by graystone
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Magus Class
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What do we need to do for one roll spell strike
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by Martialmasters
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richienvh,
Martialmasters,
Kalaam
and
19
others
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123
posts
(Closed)
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by Squiggit
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Magus Class
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The might, the magic, THE MAGUS!
(Sticky)
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by Logan Bonner
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Kalaam,
Ferious Thune,
Shisumo
and
49
others
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123
posts
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by Temperans
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General Discussion
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Paizo Blog: Secrets of Magic Final Week
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by zergtitan
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Martialmasters,
richienvh,
Midnightoker
and
42
others
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119
posts
(Closed)
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by Angel Hunter D
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Summoner Class
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0 Sum Eidolon customization
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by siegfriedliner
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KrispyXIV,
Verzen,
Rysky
and
22
others
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119
posts
(Closed)
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by graystone
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General Discussion
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Synthesist Summoner Feat Questions
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by Alexander Augunas
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Verzen,
Rysky,
Alexander Augunas
and
11
others
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109
posts
(Closed)
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by Verzen
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Summoner Class
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Why on earth is Winged Evolution a 16th-level feat!?
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by Ravingdork
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KrispyXIV,
Temperans,
Sagiam
and
22
others
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107
posts
(Closed)
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by Gortle
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Summoner Class
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Animal Companion versus Eidolon Lvl 20
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by Deriven Firelion
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Deriven Firelion,
KrispyXIV,
oholoko
and
24
others
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106
posts
(Closed)
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by Falgaia
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Summoner Class
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summoner seems nearly unplayable?
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by Martialmasters
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Martialmasters,
Falgaia,
Deadmanwalking
and
34
others
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102
posts
(Closed)
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by Draco18s
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Summoner Class
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Strengths of the current summoner
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by siegfriedliner
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Verzen,
Rysky,
KrispyXIV
and
15
others
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99
posts
(Closed)
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by Gortle
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Summoner Class
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Let's get the Synthesist thread out of the way.
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by QuidEst
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Charlesfire,
Deadmanwalking,
beowulf99
and
29
others
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96
posts
(Closed)
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by BACE
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Summoner Class
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Evolution Feat Brainstorming
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by Dubious Scholar
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TheGentlemanDM,
KrispyXIV,
Verzen
and
21
others
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94
posts
(Closed)
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by siegfriedliner
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Magus Class
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You can't play this magus like the PF1E magus.
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by Orithilaen
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Orithilaen,
Angel Hunter D,
Kalaam
and
24
others
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90
posts
(Closed)
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by Angel Hunter D
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General Discussion
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Hampering new classes with the 3 action system
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by Martialmasters
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graystone,
Martialmasters,
Draco18s
and
29
others
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89
posts
(Closed)
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by Exocist
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Summoner Class
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Question about Flight and Balance
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by inshal chenet
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KrispyXIV,
Temperans,
Ruzza
and
14
others
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83
posts
(Closed)
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by HumbleGamer
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Magus Class
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How magus spellcasting stacks up
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by citricking
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Martialmasters,
TheGentlemanDM,
Unicore
and
23
others
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83
posts
(Closed)
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by Staffan Johansson
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Summoner Class
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The solution to the Flight Problem
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by siegfriedliner
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KrispyXIV,
Temperans,
Sagiam
and
23
others
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81
posts
(Closed)
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by Temperans
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Magus Class
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First Impressions
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by WatersLethe
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Kalaam,
Angel Hunter D,
Squiggit
and
34
others
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78
posts
(Closed)
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by Pinstripedbarbarian
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Summoner Class
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If we could just have a thread asking what Mark and the rest of the design team can can not say.
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by Pronate11
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Midnightoker,
richienvh,
Temperans
and
22
others
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76
posts
(Closed)
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by Heather F
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Magus Class
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Does Striking Spell work with cantrips?
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by Deriven Firelion
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Ferious Thune,
AnimatedPaper,
Unicore
and
16
others
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75
posts
(Closed)
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by WWHsmackdown
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Summoner Class
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Animal companions vs Eidolon
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by Verzen
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KrispyXIV,
Midnightoker,
Verzen
and
13
others
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73
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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Magus Class
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Finesse Magus feels like a trap.
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by Unicore
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Midnightoker,
Martialmasters,
Unicore
and
24
others
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73
posts
(Closed)
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by Amaya/Polaris
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Summoner Class
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An idea to add some more customization for the eidolon at level one without the mess of evolution points and a way to balance certaint options,, Sub-templets.
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by Pronate11
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KrispyXIV,
Pronate11,
Rysky
and
15
others
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72
posts
(Closed)
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by Temperans
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Magus Class
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is sustaining steel good enough?
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by Martialmasters
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graystone,
Unicore,
Martialmasters
and
18
others
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71
posts
(Closed)
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by Martialmasters
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Magus Class
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Comparing Magus Striking Spell Damage to a Flurry Ranger
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by kripdenn
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Martialmasters,
Lelomenia,
kripdenn
and
18
others
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71
posts
(Closed)
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by kripdenn
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Summoner Class
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Remove spellcasting - Add in evolutions.
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by Verzen
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Verzen,
KrispyXIV,
cavernshark
and
17
others
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71
posts
(Closed)
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by ruimpranick
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Summoner Class
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Some ideas for the summoner
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by citricking
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Verzen,
KrispyXIV,
Temperans
and
18
others
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67
posts
(Closed)
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by Loreguard
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General Discussion
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Guys, this is a fantasy elf game. You don't need to be this angry about it.
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by Pronate11
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MaxAstro,
graystone,
Pronate11
and
31
others
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67
posts
(Closed)
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by Jason Bulmahn
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Summoner Class
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Summoner / Eidolon Quality Of Life Issues
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by Deadmanwalking
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Deadmanwalking,
Charlesfire,
Verzen
and
18
others
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66
posts
(Closed)
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by PossibleCabbage
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Summoner Class
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Final Assessment on the Summoner Class: Current iteration
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by Deriven Firelion
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Verzen,
KrispyXIV,
Rysky
and
15
others
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65
posts
(Closed)
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by Deriven Firelion
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General Discussion
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I ran a playtest at level 20 and here are the results
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by Exocist
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SuperBidi,
Deriven Firelion,
Exocist
and
17
others
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65
posts
(Closed)
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by Martialmasters
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Summoner Class
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I like the shared HP pool
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by Capn Cupcake
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TheGentlemanDM,
Mellored,
SuperBidi
and
31
others
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65
posts
(Closed)
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by Temperans
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Magus Class
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Now that I have seen him in action...
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by Corneleus Idaho
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Draco18s,
Kalaam,
Ferious Thune
and
15
others
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59
posts
(Closed)
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by Draco18s
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Summoner Class
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Hulking Eidolon feat line
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by Deinonychus
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Martialmasters,
KrispyXIV,
shroudb
and
16
others
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58
posts
(Closed)
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by Zioalca
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Summoner Class
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Suggestions of how to "improve" the summoner
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by Samir Sardinha
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Verzen,
KrispyXIV,
Martialmasters
and
16
others
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58
posts
(Closed)
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by Martialmasters
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Summoner Class
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Synthesist Power Up
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by siegfriedliner
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Verzen,
CrimsonKnight,
Katrixia
and
19
others
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56
posts
(Closed)
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by CrimsonKnight
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Summoner Class
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if your eidolon gets hit with flesh to stone do you also turn into a statue?
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by ArchSage20
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Temperans,
Draco18s,
Ruzza
and
13
others
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52
posts
(Closed)
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by Draco18s
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Summoner Class
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Should the summoner have 12 or more HP?
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by Ravingdork
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Katrixia,
Squiggit,
Martialmasters
and
16
others
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52
posts
(Closed)
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by Katrixia
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Summoner Class
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Mostly feel-y reasons I'm less interested in the Summoner.
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by QuidEst
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Pronate11,
QuidEst,
Deadmanwalking
and
14
others
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50
posts
(Closed)
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by AnimatedPaper
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Summoner Class
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Two changes that made a huge difference for my table.
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by maelstromm15
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graystone,
KrispyXIV,
Deriven Firelion
and
14
others
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49
posts
(Closed)
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by Sagiam
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Magus Class
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My Magus' actual play - in which I get to kick a**
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by richienvh
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richienvh,
fanatic66,
graystone
and
10
others
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48
posts
(Closed)
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by richienvh
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Summoner Class
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how would the shared hp work for a undead, fiend or aberration summoner?
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by ArchSage20
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Ruzza,
Temperans,
ArchSage20
and
17
others
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47
posts
(Closed)
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by ArchSage20
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Magus Class
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My Case Against 4-Slot Casting
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by WatersLethe
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Martialmasters,
BretI,
Exocist
and
18
others
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47
posts
(Closed)
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by Ramanujan
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Magus Class
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What to do about True Strike?
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by Kaboogy
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Kaboogy,
Puna'chong,
Unicore
and
16
others
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47
posts
(Closed)
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by Draco18s
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Magus Class
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[Actual Play] So I got to play a Magus and it felt awkward...
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by richienvh
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richienvh,
Lelomenia,
Callin13
and
24
others
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47
posts
(Closed)
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by Angel Hunter D
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Magus Class
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Focus Spells should be Designed for Spell Striking
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by The-Magic-Sword
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The-Magic-Sword,
Ressy,
Blave
and
19
others
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47
posts
(Closed)
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by Blave
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Summoner Class
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Eidolon Summoner Ability Modified Some
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by Deriven Firelion
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Deriven Firelion,
KrispyXIV,
Temperans
and
9
others
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45
posts
(Closed)
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by Deriven Firelion
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Summoner Class
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Summoner Design Ideas
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by Deriven Firelion
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Deriven Firelion,
Temperans,
Sedoriku
and
11
others
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44
posts
(Closed)
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by Sedoriku
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General Discussion
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Will there be a post playtest Stream?
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by richienvh
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Midnightoker,
Angel Hunter D,
Nicolas Paradise
and
19
others
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40
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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Magus Class
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My case for Spell Combat
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by Kalaam
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Kalaam,
richienvh,
Unicore
and
7
others
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38
posts
(Closed)
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by Kalaam
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Magus Class
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Ranked Choice Changes
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by Midnightoker
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Lelomenia,
richienvh,
Kalaam
and
15
others
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38
posts
(Closed)
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by Midnightoker
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Magus Class
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Expected damage tool now has Magus and spell strike
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by citricking
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citricking,
Unicore,
Ferious Thune
and
9
others
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38
posts
(Closed)
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by Xethik
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Magus Class
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Magus Potency- opinion and discussion
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by drakinar 451
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Throne,
drakinar 451,
Unicore
and
13
others
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38
posts
(Closed)
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by Kalaam
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Magus Class
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Why is the magus arcane only?
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by Alchemic_Genius
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Alchemic_Genius,
Temperans,
GM OfAnything
and
17
others
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37
posts
(Closed)
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by Alchemic_Genius
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Summoner Class
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Highlighting Pain Points: Boost and Reinforce Eidolon
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by KrispyXIV
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Deriven Firelion,
graystone,
Martialmasters
and
15
others
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37
posts
(Closed)
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by Katrixia
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Summoner Class
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PFS1-05 Play Through w / Summoner
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by Invictus Novo
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Dubious Scholar,
Mark Seifter,
Verzen
and
13
others
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37
posts
(Closed)
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by Deriven Firelion
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Summoner Class
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What Eidolon types would you like / are you looking forward to?
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by Sagiam
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AnimatedPaper,
KrispyXIV,
Sedoriku
and
24
others
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37
posts
(Closed)
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by ArchSage20
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Summoner Class
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Would rather play anything else
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by Verzen
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Verzen,
Martialmasters,
KrispyXIV
and
14
others
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37
posts
(Closed)
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by graystone
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Summoner Class
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First thoughts
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by Picaboo32
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Dubious Scholar,
KrispyXIV,
Temperans
and
19
others
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37
posts
(Closed)
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by Dubious Scholar
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Summoner Class
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The Eidolon is an extra character
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by SuperBidi
—
KrispyXIV,
SuperBidi,
Martialmasters
and
9
others
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36
posts
(Closed)
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by SuperBidi
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General Discussion
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Class Upgrades / Archetypes / Feat Chains?
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by TheGoofyGE3K
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Temperans,
BACE,
Sporkedup
and
22
others
|
36
posts
(Closed)
|
by Perpdepog
|
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Magus Class
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How does a Magus deal with AoO?
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by Blave
—
Blave,
Oakblade,
shroudb
and
18
others
|
35
posts
(Closed)
|
by Oakblade
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Magus Class
|
Monk and Champion have faster spell proficiency scaling
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by CrypticSplicer
—
Angel Hunter D,
CrypticSplicer,
Temperans
and
17
others
|
35
posts
(Closed)
|
by Quandary
|
|
|
|
General Discussion
|
"Wave" Spell Progression
|
|
by Midnightoker
—
Midnightoker,
Martialmasters,
WatersLethe
and
11
others
|
34
posts
(Closed)
|
by Lonesomechunk
|
|
|
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Magus Class
|
Complete Striking Spell damage comparison
|
|
by Kaboogy
—
Kaboogy,
Ressy,
Martialmasters
and
12
others
|
34
posts
(Closed)
|
by Kaboogy
|
|
|
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Magus Class
|
Capture Spell is Amazing
|
|
by MaxAstro
—
Kalaam,
HumbleGamer,
MaxAstro
and
9
others
|
34
posts
(Closed)
|
by HumbleGamer
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Summoner Class
|
Having to take Summon spells with such a limited repertoire feels weird.
|
|
by Ice Titan
—
Martialmasters,
Orithilaen,
Ice Titan
and
14
others
|
33
posts
(Closed)
|
by jdripley
|
|
|
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Magus Class
|
What If Striking Spell Did This?
|
|
by Artificial 20
—
AnimatedPaper,
Kalaam,
Unicore
and
9
others
|
30
posts
(Closed)
|
by Draco18s
|
|
|
|
Summoner Class
|
Inverting the summoner, have all the power in the eidolon, summoner like an animal companion
|
|
by citricking
—
Verzen,
Martialmasters,
cavernshark
and
10
others
|
30
posts
(Closed)
|
by CrimsonKnight
|
|
|
|
General Discussion
|
Feedback from a GM
|
|
by pauljathome
—
pauljathome,
Midnightoker,
Rysky
and
17
others
|
29
posts
(Closed)
|
by The-Magic-Sword
|
|
|
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Summoner Class
|
Just give summoners a buffed animal companion
|
|
by ruimpranick
—
ruimpranick,
siegfriedliner,
OrochiFuror
and
12
others
|
29
posts
(Closed)
|
by Sedoriku
|
|
|
|
Magus Class
|
What to do with Spell Strike, and Magus Playstyle
|
|
by CaffeinatedNinja
—
CaffeinatedNinja,
Ligraph,
Callin13
and
10
others
|
29
posts
(Closed)
|
by Callin13
|
|
|
|
Magus Class
|
Syntheses as Stances
|
|
by richienvh
—
richienvh,
Martialmasters,
Loreguard
and
13
others
|
28
posts
(Closed)
|
by Quintessentially Me
|
|
|
|
Summoner Class
|
Large and huge Eidolons
|
|
by Verzen
—
KrispyXIV,
Verzen,
OrochiFuror
and
10
others
|
28
posts
(Closed)
|
by Martialmasters
|
|
|
|
Summoner Class
|
What happens if you and your eidolon both eat a fireball?
|
|
by Ravingdork
—
Ravingdork,
TheGentlemanDM,
Squiggit
and
11
others
|
28
posts
(Closed)
|
by Ravingdork
|
|
|
|
Magus Class
|
Developer ideas to the Magus
|
|
by Martialmasters
—
Martialmasters,
Samurai,
Ed Reppert
and
9
others
|
27
posts
(Closed)
|
by Unicore
|
|
|
|
General Discussion
|
Synthesis vs Synthesis
|
|
by WatersLethe
—
Jokey the Unfunny Comedian,
Draco18s,
Kalaam
and
19
others
|
27
posts
(Closed)
|
by drakinar 451
|
|
|
|
Magus Class
|
Spell Combat: Spreading the Love (and Power)
|
|
by Inquisitive Tiefling
—
Inquisitive Tiefling,
Ligraph,
Kalaam
and
8
others
|
27
posts
(Closed)
|
by CrypticSplicer
|
|
|
|
Summoner Class
|
Dragon Eidolons are a mistake
|
|
by siegfriedliner
—
Falgaia,
siegfriedliner,
WatersLethe
and
16
others
|
27
posts
(Closed)
|
by MaxAstro
|
|
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