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I am impressed that anyone at Paizo is old enough to remember Blake's 7.
Well it did run in reruns in America, but yeah.
I am ancient, as pop culture goes.
Interesting that Piers Anthony's literary work 'Total Recall' (movie version directed by... Paul Verhoeven) did not get credit, but the 'newer' movie version did.
Which tangentially ties into the NEXT thought:
Interesting that *someone* was paying attention because both the Heinlein 'Starship Troopers' and the Verhoeven 'Starship Troopers' were included (and they were effectively diametric opposites of one another thematically ie 'freedom through service' and 'facism is good').
The Thing? Does that mean we might see it started up? Nothing would make me happier.
I know Space ActionBadger!™ Mike Welham created/statted up at least one "The Thing" critter before for a blog. I think the Legendary Games guys also did a version for one of their monster supplements.
Edit: Found one of them: LG's qomok is in their Mythic Monsters: Aliens.
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Interesting that Piers Anthony's literary work 'Total Recall' (movie version directed by... Paul Verhoeven) did not get credit, but the 'newer' movie version did.
I'm totally fine with no Piers Anthony books being on the list, but I am a bit surprised by the total lack of Philip K. Dick.
(I know, I know, there's no way to fit everything on the list, and hindsight grants a +10 on all Knowledge checks only after a product has already gone to the printers.)
I see lots of great stuff there and would like to add my voice in support of works mentioned up thread that I wish had made the cut, such as Outlaw Star, Alien Legion, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Ghost in the Shell, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and so many others.
It is interesting to note that some intellectual properties effectively got a double mention at the expense of those not mentioned due to coming out on multiple media venues, such as the Barsoom series and the John Carter movie, Firefly and Serenity, Star Trek, and Star Wars. I know that some of these are not telling the same story in each instance, but when space is at a premium, I would of thought one would have been picked and then leave room for more properties. Of course, I realize that some of these are just that good or are such an integral part of the public main stream consciousness of what science fiction is.
That said, I am loving most of the material mentioned as inspirations and what I don't love I relish getting to know and learning to love.
There are other properties and works I would like to recommend and mention that did not make the list that I do not believe others have mentioned on the thread yet:
Tron movie
Dragonstar RPG
Fading Suns RPG
Cthulhutech RPG
The Strange RPG
Falling Skies TV show
Crusade TV show (Hey, if other properties can get a double mention, why not Babylon 5? Besides, this is its own show, despite being a spin-off and it has a Techno-mage!)
Empress comic (This came out in 2016 by Mark Millar and was so impressive that they were already talking about trying to make it into a movie before the second issue came out.)
Valerian and Laureline comic(especially in light of its cinematic adaptation in the form of the "Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets" movie coming out later this week),
The Irresponsible Captain Tyler anime (good comedy/scifi)
The Irregular at Magic High School anime (I really like the look of how technology is used to interact with and enhance magic use in this setting, as well as the "magic sports" that are a central part of the middle story arc.)
Parasyte anime (very cool story of alien possession and aliens among us)
A Certain Magical Index anime (this setting mixes scifi and supernatural elements)
Darker Than Black anime (just the first season - the second one ruins the whole show)
Stein's Gate anime
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya anime - originally a series of light novels, but the anime series is iconic
Gintama anime - a very comedic, self-aware, meta anime series that is set in Edo period Japan after a successful alien invasion.
Guyver anime (alien bio-organic power armor - the manga is even better)
Code Geass anime (though I love this one more for the plot and characters - essentially, the bad guy is the main character. Well, I guess an anti-hero, but he totally has many qualities usually given to villains in most stories, including acting in many instances as more of an antagonist - I love it as what is perhaps my favorite anime ever.)
Tenchi Muyo! anime (and its various spin-offs such as "War on Geminar" and "Tenchi Muyo GXP") I actually enjoyed these spin-offs more. GXP is comedy/space opera.
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Great list, looking forward to me preparing to run something like Dead Space and my players being ready for Borderlands.
I think of all the categories I have consumed quite a large part of the games... Starcraft and Kotor and FF7 are still very much in my all time top ten. My love affair with Mass Effect is still very much on hold after THE EVENT...
Where's my Tsutomu Nihei?
Biomega
Blame!
NOiSE
Knights of Sidonia!
YO WAY YO.
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Seriously impressive literature list. Like, I can quibble (BANKS!), but I love how it's so cutting edge that it's got things that are up for a Hugo this year. I'm literally reading Ninefox Gambit right now. The history is acknowledged, but it's a modern list about where SF is now.
Mind you, I'd also jettison a third of the video games to make room for more comics (VALERIAN & LAURELINE!), but that's just me hating video games.
I'd just like to say that I'm glad that Elizabeth Moon made the cut, in particular her Vatta's War series is a fantastic representation of a campaign built around a merchant spaceship.
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Also SQQQQQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEE!
Hideyuki Kikuchi!
Tasuhiro Nightow!
Borderlands (my favourite shooter of all time)!
Dead Space!
Destiny (I knew that was backing the Solarion)!
Metroid!
Avatar!
The Big O!
Cowboy Bebop!
District 9!
Futurama!
Guardians of the Galaxy!
John Carter!
Jupiter Ascending!
The Last Starfighter!
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind!
Pitch Black!
Thundarr the Barbarian!
happy lolz at Pathfinder's Iron Gods inclususion :3
*squees more off in the distance*
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I played a TON of Star Frontiers in the 80's and I have a lot of wonderful memories. Super happy to see it represented on the list. And I can't think of anything cooler than a Paizo-created space RPG.
Star Frontiers was my first RPG, so I'm right there with you.
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No Vorkosigan?! Do you even Envoy, bro?
Finite space means a finite list. Still pleased to see Alan Dean Foster (man's at his best when detailing alien worlds and their inhabitants) and Phantasy Star.
I suspect Starfinder's bugfolk owe a lot to the Thranx.
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Where's Outlaw Star?
You have Cowboy Bebop but not the iconic science fantasy anime with space adventures, magic guns, alien catgirls, bionic androids, and space pirate ninja wizards?
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I'm surprised Outlaw Star isn't on the list. Some of the sources were rather obvious others not so much.
This list does confirm that Starfinder is attempting to encapsulate all of pop sci-fy, for good or ill.
After Firefly, Outlaw Star will always be the iconic "party scifi" adventure series for me.
Kind of disappointed to see Legend of the Galactic Heroes not listed, but it might be a bit too realistic for a Scifi, not to mention hard to find. There is a remake of it this Fall though!
For both chronological and "other reasons" which I find plausible but lack the evidence to substantiate, I would put Outlaw Star before Firefly/Serenity.
If they listed the Expanse as a source then I don't think realism is why Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't on the list, it's more likely that the focus and style of LoGH was to far removed from what they want Starfinder to be.
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Great list - happy to see "The Black Hole" get a nodAgreed. The Black Hole is still my go-to movie for moody gothic sci-fi. And Maximillian, one of the scariest robots to ever come out of film.
I picked up the DVD recently. The cheesy stuff is still cheesy, but the good stuff is still really good. Part of why it appeals to me, is it gets the world-building portion of my brain in motion. Plus, the production design is amazing.
I'm totally fine with no Piers Anthony books being on the list, but I am a bit surprised by the total lack of Philip K. Dick.
I'm a big Dick Head, but I never think of PKD as the kind of writer for ripping yarns stories, which is what I perceive Starfinder to aspire to. I guess you could make a world like the Alphane Moon, but would you really want to play in that?
Technically, the Blade Runner movie (which is on the list) is connected to Philip K. Dick's work (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?).
Anyway, it's an amazing list. While one certainly could quibble about stuff on/left off it, it is also inspirational.
I think that my Kindle and TV will getting some extra attention over the next few weeks! :)
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While I may lament some things not on the list, the ones that are are great. And for everyone complaining about Buck Rodgers not being on the list, do yourself a favor and don't re-watch it on Netflix. It hasn't aged well, and it's much better in memory than trying to sit through the pilot. The opening credits are still epic though.
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I'm super glad that Spelljammer got called out. Even if Starfinder is going a different direction tone wise, Spelljammer WAS one of the first science fantasy RPG settings and in my mind still one of, if not possibly, the best.
Eh, Spelljammer was just fantasy in a fantasy cosmology of space. There was absolutely no science in it.
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I'm surprised Outlaw Star isn't on the list. Some of the sources were rather obvious others not so much.
This list does confirm that Starfinder is attempting to encapsulate all of pop sci-fy, for good or ill.
After Firefly, Outlaw Star will always be the iconic "party scifi" adventure series for me.
Kind of disappointed to see Legend of the Galactic Heroes not listed, but it might be a bit too realistic for a Scifi, not to mention hard to find. There is a remake of it this Fall though!
For both chronological and "other reasons" which I find plausible but lack the evidence to substantiate, I would put Outlaw Star before Firefly/Serenity.
If they listed the Expanse as a source then I don't think realism is why Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't on the list, it's more likely that the focus and style of LoGH was to far removed from what they want Starfinder to be.
I vascillate between outlaw star and firefly but they are generally adjacent.
And yeah, with the exception of stuff like the new pfs multitable and some of season 5, I doubt things like supply lines and fleet-/armada- scale combat will be that big in starfinder. And LoGH has that central theme of "no one is evil, it's just one man's good versus another mans good."
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I'm surprised Outlaw Star isn't on the list. Some of the sources were rather obvious others not so much.
This list does confirm that Starfinder is attempting to encapsulate all of pop sci-fy, for good or ill.
After Firefly, Outlaw Star will always be the iconic "party scifi" adventure series for me.
Kind of disappointed to see Legend of the Galactic Heroes not listed, but it might be a bit too realistic for a Scifi, not to mention hard to find. There is a remake of it this Fall though!
I'm surprised Outlaw Star isn't on the list. Some of the sources were rather obvious others not so much.
This list does confirm that Starfinder is attempting to encapsulate all of pop sci-fy, for good or ill.
After Firefly, Outlaw Star will always be the iconic "party scifi" adventure series for me.
Kind of disappointed to see Legend of the Galactic Heroes not listed, but it might be a bit too realistic for a Scifi, not to mention hard to find. There is a remake of it this Fall though!
For both chronological and "other reasons" which I find plausible but lack the evidence to substantiate, I would put Outlaw Star before Firefly/Serenity.
If they listed the Expanse as a source then I don't think realism is why Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't on the list, it's more likely that the focus and style of LoGH was to far removed from what they want Starfinder to be.
I vascillate between outlaw star and firefly but they are generally adjacent.
And yeah, with the exception of stuff like the new pfs multitable and some of season 5, I doubt things like supply lines and fleet-/armada- scale combat will be that big in starfinder. And LoGH has that central theme of "no one is evil, it's just one man's good versus another mans good."
re: outlaw star/firefly
One clearly comes before the other.
I love legend of galactic heroes. I just got a novelization for Christmas this past year. Amazing.
I'm super glad that Spelljammer got called out. Even if Starfinder is going a different direction tone wise, Spelljammer WAS one of the first science fantasy RPG settings and in my mind still one of, if not possibly, the best.
SPELLJAMMER FOREVER
I'm surprised Outlaw Star isn't on the list. Some of the sources were rather obvious others not so much.
This list does confirm that Starfinder is attempting to encapsulate all of pop sci-fy, for good or ill.
After Firefly, Outlaw Star will always be the iconic "party scifi" adventure series for me.
Kind of disappointed to see Legend of the Galactic Heroes not listed, but it might be a bit too realistic for a Scifi, not to mention hard to find. There is a remake of it this Fall though!
For both chronological and "other reasons" which I find plausible but lack the evidence to substantiate, I would put Outlaw Star before Firefly/Serenity.
If they listed the Expanse as a source then I don't think realism is why Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't on the list, it's more likely that the focus and style of LoGH was to far removed from what they want Starfinder to be.
I vascillate between outlaw star and firefly but they are generally adjacent.
And yeah, with the exception of stuff like the new pfs multitable and some of season 5, I doubt things like supply lines and fleet-/armada- scale combat will be that big in starfinder. And LoGH has that central theme of "no one is evil, it's just one man's good versus another mans good."
By chronologically I meant that Outlaw Star is older than Firefly/Serenity.
Other possible sources would the Universal-Century, the time line of the original Gundam series; though you would need rules for Mechs.
Star Fox.
The Metabarons.
Valerian and Laureline.
Star Ocean, if you ignore everything after III.
The best source to me would be Alaternity's Star*Drive.
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I'm super glad that Spelljammer got called out. Even if Starfinder is going a different direction tone wise, Spelljammer WAS one of the first science fantasy RPG settings and in my mind still one of, if not possibly, the best.Eh, Spelljammer was just fantasy in a fantasy cosmology of space. There was absolutely no science in it.
No current science. It did draw a lot from outdated and disproved cosmological models.
Before anyone asks, no, the giant space hamsters they just made up.
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I'm surprised Outlaw Star isn't on the list. Some of the sources were rather obvious others not so much.
This list does confirm that Starfinder is attempting to encapsulate all of pop sci-fy, for good or ill.
After Firefly, Outlaw Star will always be the iconic "party scifi" adventure series for me.
Kind of disappointed to see Legend of the Galactic Heroes not listed, but it might be a bit too realistic for a Scifi, not to mention hard to find. There is a remake of it this Fall though!
For both chronological and "other reasons" which I find plausible but lack the evidence to substantiate, I would put Outlaw Star before Firefly/Serenity.
If they listed the Expanse as a source then I don't think realism is why Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't on the list, it's more likely that the focus and style of LoGH was to far removed from what they want Starfinder to be.
I vascillate between outlaw star and firefly but they are generally adjacent.
And yeah, with the exception of stuff like the new pfs multitable and some of season 5, I doubt things like supply lines and fleet-/armada- scale combat will be that big in starfinder. And LoGH has that central theme of "no one is evil, it's just one man's good versus another mans good."
By chronologically I meant that Outlaw Star is older than Firefly/Serenity.
Other possible sources would the Universal-Century, the time line of the original Gundam series; though you would need rules for Mechs.
Star Fox.
The Metabarons.
Valerian and Laureline.
Star Ocean, if you ignore everything after III.
The best source to me would be Alaternity's Star*Drive.
I love star Ocean, in just about any form.
I'm super glad that Spelljammer got called out. Even if Starfinder is going a different direction tone wise, Spelljammer WAS one of the first science fantasy RPG settings and in my mind still one of, if not possibly, the best.Eh, Spelljammer was just fantasy in a fantasy cosmology of space. There was absolutely no science in it.
No current science. It did draw a lot from outdated and disproved cosmological models.
Before anyone asks, no, the giant space hamsters they just made up.
indeed, starjammer was a "what if: with respect to science.
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An impressive list and thanks to my founding fathers/mothers of genre binges I've read most of those authors and works listed under literature inspirations. However, I'm surprised that Andre Norton isn't there. I mean many of the writers on that list often site Norton as one of their own inspirations.
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Where's my Tsutomu Nihei?
Biomega
Blame!
NOiSE
Knights of Sidonia!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOVE BLAME AND KOS!
No "Ice Pirates"?! For shame.I'm glad I'm not the only one lamenting the lack of Ice Pirates on this list :P
All in all though, quite an amazing list. My favorite childhood movie, Krull, is even on there!
I too need some ice pirates in here!
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While I may lament some things not on the list, the ones that are are great. And for everyone complaining about Buck Rodgers not being on the list, do yourself a favor and don't re-watch it on Netflix. It hasn't aged well, and it's much better in memory than trying to sit through the pilot. The opening credits are still epic though.
Just to be clear, my lamentations regarding Buck Rogers not being on the list do not involve the TV show. I was referencing the much older and original source material.
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Because mention of the manga confused me, I'll put this one out there: Knights of Cydonia (the Muse music video). In fact, maybe I can try to get some of that flavor into a Solarion I put together.
Seriously impressive literature list. Like, I can quibble (BANKS!), but I love how it's so cutting edge that it's got things that are up for a Hugo this year. I'm literally reading Ninefox Gambit right now. The history is acknowledged, but it's a modern list about where SF is now.
I thought the same thing when I read it (heck, thought it when I saw the blog post mention Illuminae!). It's great to see the acknowledgement of current great works and not just honoring the classics while ignoring anything from the past decade or two.
I certainly have a longer reading list as well now, too!
Unfortunately, I think I already saw 95% of the film/TV list, but there's always rewatching. Just restarted B5 a couple weeks ago, in fact.
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I could never get enough people willing to play Star Frontiers!
I love that SilverHawks and Thundarr are on this list!