The Clear Choice

Friday, March 25, 2016

This week I've got two figures from October's Deadly Foes, the next set of prepainted plastic Pathfinder Battles gaming figures! This week's choices allow me to show off figures tied to one of my favorite features—clear plastic.

When it comes to things like invisible creatures and flames, clear plastic offers a verisimilitude that's very difficult to achieve even with a well-painted miniature. Try as I might, I can never blend orange, yellow, and red well enough to really "sell" it as fire, but when clear plastic comes into the picture, things get considerably more "realistic."

I've loved several clear figures from the past of the Pathfinder Battles range, from the flaming pole-arm of early experiments like High Lady Athroxis to all-out classics like the elementals from the Shattered Star set. Deadly Foes continues the tradition, with a significant number of creatures that employ clear plastic effects sure to drop your jaw.

Here we have the Invisible Guardian, an incredibly versatile figure that can double as a dungeon stalker or any kind of incorporeal undead. The Invisible Guardian stands a bit taller than your average adventurer, and it's ready to sneak up and do some stranglin'. The Invisible Guardian is a Medium, common figure.

Also today we've got the Hellcat, one of my favorite sculpts from the Deadly Foes set. If previous Pathfinder Battles figures like the Hell Hound from Shattered Star are any indicator, this guy is going to turn out wonderfully. Even better, it's a Large figure, so I expect the juxtaposition between bone and fire is going to look fantastic. The Hellcat is slated at the uncommon rarity.

I hope you agree that both of these figures are "clearly" great choices for your game table! I'll be back next week with a look at some more figures from Deadly Foes!

Until then, I remain...

Erik Mona
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The Invisible Stalker looks much better than the version from april´s D&D set (again the "same creature in both sets syndrome")!

And finally a Hellcat mini! I´ve been waiting for this for a long time.
Great choice, Eric!

Thank you for a short but perfect preview! :-)


Time to stop using a blank base for an invisible stalker, I guess! Actually, I may be tempted to use some inks on that stalker to get some other sorts of effects, too. I agree, looks really versatile!


Marco Massoudi wrote:


And finally a Hellcat mini! I´ve been waiting for this for a long time.

There's been a Hellcat on the market for a long time, though it's not to everyone's taste -- basically just a Large transparent lion. This one has a lot more flavor.


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I always prefer my hellcats to have a bit of flavor.

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So now we have: (out of 44)

-Aram Golden-Heart, aasimar paladin (m)
-Bearded Devil (m)
-Cleric of Asmodeus (m)
-Cockatrice (s)
-Doppelgänger (m)
-Hellcat (L)
-Invisible Guardian/Stalker (m)
-Keketar Protean (L)

36 to be revealed (plus 6 dressing pieces)


I enjoy both of these miniatures very much.

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Hellcat is magnificent, looks to be a good sized large and it's uncommon as well. Great use of the transparent plastic. Huge case of win right there. I have several of the those older transparent (well slightly yellowed) lion form the old D&D set, I actually quite like that mini but feel this is a far better fit for the concept. Wouldn't mind a large version of the hellhound one day, perfect for my fire Giants.

I like the invisible guardian as well but want to see the final mini. Like you Erik I love transparent plastic in miniatures, what I'm not 100% sold on is the need to add layers of paint to all the transparent figures, sometimes it's a little overdone and undermines the reason for the transparent plastic in the first place. With this one I hope it turns out like that sculpt, minimal paint and highly transparent to reinforce the invisible feel. No need for a lot of white highlights on this one. I'd also agree with you Marco, this one looks far superior to the somewhat goofy attempt in the next D&D set - which coincidently has the white dry brush that robs it of some of its invisible-ness, more like a medium air elemental. I am a bit saddened by the inclusion of another identical creature in the lines but they do cater for two different audiences apparently, personally I just use the one I like the most whether it's the official one for my game or not.

I'm assuming wizkids do it at the request of the parent company, each still requires a new sculpt, so why not add to the variety of what's out there. Rather than ask me to choose between two invisible stalkers, why not give me one, and a myconid and increase the chances I'll buy both minis? Of course with choice of two I can at least take this one and not get landed with the "Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man".

On that note can you shed any insight behind the choice of these two reveals? Like the incentives did wizkids choose them from a large bundle of art you sent? Did you request these particular ones? If so why? I'm genuinely curious as the what goes on in the background of these sets.

So a handful of commons and uncommons in and I'm once again extremely excited about this set, of course you had me at the starspawn.


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Wow! Those are some very cool and useful minis. =)


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Duncan7291 wrote:
I always prefer my hellcats to have a bit of flavor.

Crunchy, with more than a hint of brimstone.


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I like both. I like all the minis revealed so far, but did not see the need to purchase the first four revealed. These two are my favorites from this set so far.


Thumbs up for both. I am liking where this set is going thus far.


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If the Invisible Guardian is as clear as the render of it shows, wow that will be cool!

I didn't immediately correlate the Hellcat with it's older counterpart, but it is a great rendition. Again, I'm hoping the flame plastic is more on the clear side, but regardless the sculpt is awesome.

Two in the win column this week!

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That hellcat looks amazing. ^_^


KITTY!
YESsssssssssssssssssssssssss....


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Still hoping for geniekin.


Looking good.


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Both look pretty neat. Thanks for the update!

Ruyan.

PS: The hellhound link links back to this page.


That Hellcat looks so cool!


Marco Massoudi wrote:

So now we have:

-Aram Golden-Heart, aasimar paladin (m)
-Bearded Devil (m)
-Cleric of Asmodeus (m)
-Keketar Protean (L)....

Have we seen these minis or just artwork?

I am asking because I wonder if I missed a preview somehow?


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danielc wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

So now we have:

-Aram Golden-Heart, aasimar paladin (m)
-Bearded Devil (m)
-Cleric of Asmodeus (m)
-Keketar Protean (L)....

Have we seen these minis or just artwork?

I am asking because I wonder if I missed a preview somehow?

Just artwork.

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danielc wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

So now we have:

-Aram Golden-Heart, aasimar paladin (m)
-Bearded Devil (m)
-Cleric of Asmodeus (m)
-Keketar Protean (L)....

Have we seen these minis or just artwork?

I am asking because I wonder if I missed a preview somehow?

So far artwork only.

I also forgot there will be:

-Hobgoblins (probably 4 different ones)
-Soldiers
-Slavers
-Giants

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And the rumor mill says

-Red Mantis Assassin(s)!

Sovereign Court

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

I also forgot there will be:

-Hobgoblins (probably 4 different ones)
-Soldiers
-Slavers
-Giants

I hadn't heard about these... where was this from?

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Kalindlara wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:

I also forgot there will be:

-Hobgoblins (probably 4 different ones)
-Soldiers
-Slavers
-Giants

I hadn't heard about these... where was this from?

From the official Deadly Foes product page here on paizo.com - check it out! ;-)

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

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Cat-thulhu wrote:
I am a bit saddened by the inclusion of another identical creature in the lines but they do cater for two different audiences apparently, personally I just use the one I like the most whether it's the official one for my game or not.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I have absolutely no control (or knowledge) about that other miniatures WizKids makes for their other partners, and there is no way for me to incorporate that information into the set lists I create for Pathfinder Battles.

Every so often, I might say something like (and this is a random example, so don't read into it) "I'm thinking of doing a big Darklands/dark elf theme" and someone over there might say something like "for reasons we can't quite tell you, we'd prefer that you focus on a different theme in that timeframe," but that's about it.

Cat-thulhu wrote:


I'm assuming wizkids do it at the request of the parent company, each still requires a new sculpt, so why not add to the variety of what's out there. Rather than ask me to choose between two invisible stalkers, why not give me one, and a myconid and increase the chances I'll buy both minis?

This is not within my power to do.

Cat-thulhu wrote:


On that note can you shed any insight behind the choice of these two reveals? Like the incentives did wizkids choose them from a large bundle of art you sent? Did you request these particular ones? If so why? I'm genuinely curious as the what goes on in the background of these sets.

I built the setlist, and sent it to WizKids based on what miniatures I want and which pieces of art we have that I think will translate well to minis. I have a big list of figures we have not yet done (or that no one has done), which is where the Invisible Guardian comes from. I was also surprised to see a similar creature in an upcoming non-Pathfinder set, but as the sculpts are very different I am not really worrying about it.

The Hellcat is just a sweet picture that I've always wanted to see in mini form, and I knew WizKids would do a great job on it (which they have).

The original setlist for this set was a bit more heavily themed, with a larger number of devils and angels, specifically. WizKids asked me to tone down the theme a little bit, so I swapped out about a dozen figures to make it more of a generally themed set than something specific. If you look really close (once the full list is out), you'll see some of the DNA of that original set list in there, but it's now a more general set, and I agree with WizKids that it will likely sell better because of it.

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Erik Mona wrote:
Cat-thulhu wrote:
I am a bit saddened by the inclusion of another identical creature in the lines but they do cater for two different audiences apparently, personally I just use the one I like the most whether it's the official one for my game or not.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I have absolutely no control (or knowledge) about that other miniatures WizKids makes for their other partners, and there is no way for me to incorporate that information into the set lists I create for Pathfinder Battles.

Every so often, I might say something like (and this is a random example, so don't read into it) "I'm thinking of doing a big Darklands/dark elf theme" and someone over there might say something like "for reasons we can't quite tell you, we'd prefer that you focus on a different theme in that timeframe," but that's about it.

Cat-thulhu wrote:


I'm assuming wizkids do it at the request of the parent company, each still requires a new sculpt, so why not add to the variety of what's out there. Rather than ask me to choose between two invisible stalkers, why not give me one, and a myconid and increase the chances I'll buy both minis?

This is not within my power to do.

Cat-thulhu wrote:


On that note can you shed any insight behind the choice of these two reveals? Like the incentives did wizkids choose them from a large bundle of art you sent? Did you request these particular ones? If so why? I'm genuinely curious as the what goes on in the background of these sets.

I built the setlist, and sent it to WizKids based on what miniatures I want and which pieces of art we have that I think will translate well to minis. I have a big list of figures we have not yet done (or that no one has done), which is where the Invisible Guardian comes from. I was also surprised to see a similar creature in an upcoming non-Pathfinder set, but as the sculpts are very different I am not really worrying about it.

The Hellcat is just a sweet picture that I've always wanted to see...

I don't think anyone blames you for the "same creature in PFB and D&D set" thing - i certainly don't.

I think this happens somewhere at wizkids.

I like the idea of this set being planned as angel & devil heavy (because there havn't been many from PFB and they would be great in conjunction with Hell's Rebels & Hell's Vengeance) but i also agree with a more diverse set selling better.

Thank you for sharing these infos, Erik.
You are doing a great job in my opinion.
Thank you.


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It's interesting we've gone without an Invisible "Guardian" for years, then two companies decide it is time to make one at nearly the same time. While I only need one, at least it gives the user community a choice of which they prefer. I must say, that while the D&D version is faithful to it's Monster Manual artwork, I do like the Pathhfinder version better. I really hope he comes out crystal clear, like in the digital render. That would truly make it worth having over just a blank base. You know, put the "Unseen" in the Guardian! :)

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Erik Mona wrote:

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I have absolutely no control (or knowledge) about that other miniatures WizKids makes for their other partners, and there is no way for me to incorporate that information into the set lists I create for Pathfinder Battles.

Every so often, I might say something like (and this is a random example, so don't read into it) "I'm thinking of doing a big Darklands/dark elf theme" and someone over there might say something like "for reasons we can't quite tell you, we'd prefer that you focus on a different theme in that timeframe," but that's about it

Thanks for the info Erik. It's nice to get a little look behind the scenes. Ican unequivocally say that as far as I'm concerned you and you partner in crime (sorry I've forgotten who the other person working othe minis line is) do a fantastic job. I didn't realise wizkids had as much control over the line, I'd just assumed since it was your license you'd have more say. Naive perhaps. Anyway keep up the good work and rest assured there are many of use out there with the highest of praise for your efforts.

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Well, getting to choose every single miniature in the set is a fair amount of control.

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Erik Mona wrote:
Well, getting to choose every single miniature in the set is a fair amount of control.

You didn't get to chose which HUGES went into this set. ;-)

Wanna share which ones were your first pick or do you think that this would rile up people too much against wizkids decision?

Thanks again for your relentless work to bring huge minis back, i will try to get 2 incentives with my case in october. :-)

So we will now get 2 mini pics each week because you have to spread it out over 6 months, i can live with that.

And some news about the unpainted line in between i bet.

The new article from wizkids states that the dressing pieces will be allnew, so that means the ones from Dungeons Deep and Rusty Dragon won't be reprinted?!

Greetings from Germany


Cat-thulhu wrote:
Thanks for the info Erik. It's nice to get a little look behind the scenes. Ican unequivocally say that as far as I'm concerned you and you partner in crime (sorry I've forgotten who the other person working othe minis line is) do a fantastic job. I didn't realise wizkids had as much control over the line, I'd just assumed since it was your license you'd have more say. Naive perhaps. Anyway keep up the good work and rest assured there are many of use out there with the highest of praise for your efforts.

I also appreciate hearing about some of the things that happen behind the scenes. Your role is certainly a unique one -- trying to balance what you would like to see in the line while trying to cater to the requests of the fans -- and trying to do all of this within the confines that WizKids sets out.

While the amount of duplication of monster minis in the lines has been quite significant as of late, I really can't think of one instance where the other line's mini was better than the Pathfinder mini. However, since many monsters are found in multiples, as a DM it hasn't been such a bad thing having different sculpts for the same monster -- it makes keeping track of them on the battle map so much easier :)

Also... that Hellcat... its (censored) awesome!

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Erik Mona wrote:
Well, getting to choose every single miniature in the set is a fair amount of control.

Sorry misinterpreted what you meant completely, I thought you were saying wizkids dictate what goes in the set with some input from you. I'd agree, choice of everything is indeed fair control.

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http://www.miniaturemarket.com/collectible-miniatures/dungeons-dragons/mons ter-menagerie.html

No new preview today. :-(

But here are pics of all 44 Monster Menagerie minis!

I guess we won't get a PFB version of the Imp and Erinyes in October OR we do and the double line syndrome strikes again. ;-)

The Will O Wisp and Fire Beetle are very different from the PFB versions.

The large BAT SWARM is incredible with enough space to place minis that are in it on the base.

I like the PFB Phase Spider better, same with the Yeti.

The Gelatinous Cube and Centaur look better than the PFB versions as does the Manticore but that's about it.

I hope we get another PFB preview next friday.

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I didn't see an erinyes in there, Marco... am I just blind?


Kalindlara wrote:
I didn't see an erinyes in there, Marco... am I just blind?

Erinyes

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Thank you! ^_^

(I hope we get a Pathfinder version, though... that one is not to my liking at all.)


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I like the flying Erinyes, but I'd certainly be open to another sculpt from PFB.


Berk the Black wrote:
I like the flying Erinyes, but I'd certainly be open to another sculpt from PFB.

For me, I pray for another sculpt. :-)

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Cat-thulhu wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
Well, getting to choose every single miniature in the set is a fair amount of control.
Sorry misinterpreted what you meant completely, I thought you were saying wizkids dictate what goes in the set with some input from you. I'd agree, choice of everything is indeed fair control.

Erik meant that he has no control over (or special insight into) what's in the D&D minis line, just as Wizards has no control over (or special insight into) what's in our line. WizKids has a legal and ethical obligation to keep their licensors' plans secret, so we don't know what Wizards is doing until they announce it, just as they don't know what we're doing until we announce it.


I didn't notice that this thread was still humming till now, but let me just chime in that, while the DM in me is sad not to get more devils in particular, the minis seller in me is glad to hear there will be fewer devils and angels. I don't know why, but most outsiders have moved pretty poorly in the past. You get a brief flurry of interest when a new set releases or a major adventure with a related theme gets published, but for whatever reason, in my experience, people who are just buying minis to get a basic collection going tend to stay away from most outsiders. (There are exceptions: succubi, maybe babau.) I don't know if it's a hangover from the old 80's D&D religious crisis, or the weirdness of a lot of outsider minis, or what, but it definitely seems to be a thing.


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I wonder if it's because they are pretty interchangeable. I know I'm really un-fussy when it comes to plonking down the correct demon/devil. Any old fiend will do, generally,


I don't know, maybe? I can certainly imagine that being the case with angels: Wings? check. Robe? check. Sword? check. And devils tend to be less variable than demons. But with demons you've got that whole "chaotic churning of the Abyss" sort of thing, where it's spitting out new bizarre combinations all the time. Vrocks are very different from hezrous, which are very different from quasits, which are very different from nalfeshnee, and so on. Yet even so, those minis tend not to move as much as others. It's not like these monsters don't show up in adventures either. I don't know! <<shrugs>>

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