Convincing Liar trait question

If a character takes convincing liar as a trait, does the +1 to bluff also apply to feint attempts? A player of mine is trying to convince me that "half truths" can also apply to feinting, and there isn't anywhere in the entry that specifically says it only applies to verbal bluffs.

Unless the trait states otherwise, the bonus to bluff applies to all uses of the skill, including feinting.

Unless the trait states otherwise, the bonus to bluff applies to all uses of the skill, including feinting.

Thank yoy for the quick response. Just thought I'd ask since I've seen similar traits that didn't apply to feint. I'm sure my player will be pleased

When Convincing Liar is chosen as a trait, does the additional +1 bluff assist with feints? A player of mine is trying to convince me that a feint could be a kind of "half truth", and it doesn't say it only applies to verbal bluffs...

I could see it as the widening of the eyes, a slight look over the shoulder of the opponent to make him think that someone is coming up behind him. So I would give it to him.

Speaking as someone who has that trait, it can depend on the nature of the feint.

For example, when facing a skilled ghost-faced-killer (shadowdancer), I said "enough of this", looked over her shoulder at an imaginary comrade behind her and said "kill her". Thinking she was about to be flanked, she looked back to see nobody there, and then I was gone.

That is a feint which may or may not be a lie. I'm implying an enemy which isn't there, but not outright lying.

If instead I had said "You fight well. But you trust your minions too much - dispose of her!" that is more likely to be a lie.

It's a touchy thing, so I suggest (as DM) to come up with some hard and fast rules. Be kind to your Rogue, though. We have to work extra hard to deliver SA to one opponent, which is half the damage one fireball can deliver to many. [note: a fireball does 1d6/CL, or 1d6/2CL on a successful save; a SA does 1d6/2CL - so SA does same damage to 1 enemy, as a fireball does to many who make their saves]

Moved thread.

When Convincing Liar is chosen as a trait, does the additional +1 bluff assist with feints?

Assuming he chose Bluff instead of Intimidate, yes.

Convincing Liar (Bellflower Network) "Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on Bluff or Intimidate checks and one of these skills (your choice) is a class skill for you."

Feint: "To feint, make a Bluff skill check."

“Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on Bluff or Intimidate checks and one of these skills (your choice) is a class skill for you.

Thus, yes it does as it does not specify otherwise

I could see it as the widening of the eyes, a slight look over the shoulder of the opponent to make him think that someone is coming up behind him. So I would give it to him.

That is completely correct. In addition to verbal stuff like:

I merged the threads on this topic.