So... reroll 4d6 and re-assemble as desired?
I think Reroll and switch one pair of stats.
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@Helaman: Feel free to reroll your stats with the same method if you would like.
@All: Regarding ability score adjustment, let us move forward with my initial decision of being allowed to swap your highest stat with another slot, but then having to play a 'matching' class. The main idea is to basically allow you to have a 'stronger' score in a 'main' stat, if you so desire.
^^ What he said.
Ok, so I guess everyone has their stats rolled. Time to get creating characters!
Reviewing the Character Creation:
- 4d6 drop lowest in order. You are allowed to swap your highest stat with another slot, but then you have to play a 'matching' class;
- We are removing ability and race requirements from individual classes;
- We are keeping racial restrictions on multiclass combos;
- First level HP: lets go with max HP at level 1 (no Eric, I am not purposefully going against all your suggestions :D)
I guess for the rest we can go according to 'For Gold & Glory' guidelines on character creation. Let me know if you hit any snags.
Daniel - I’ll check. I have the World of Greyhawk campaign setting books. I’ll see if I can find them.
Ok...I am looking for the info on Greyhawk gods, but cannot find anything that shows domains (or spheres) or any gameplay benefits for belonging to one diety over the other....yet it says that each god has certain trappings. Is this listed anywhere??
From the Greyhawk wiki: Deities
I…didn’t delve too deep. I checked Heironeous - it lists his domains.
Awesome...thanks OSW...any info is good!
This link also provides a good overview of Greyhawk deities.
Thanx Obermind. I have three of the four Len Lakofka Dragon magazine articles on the Suel pantheon, and they are really the only ones I know anything about, apart from St Cuthbert who always really annoyed me for having such a contemporary-Earth name, and to my mind, a singular zeal.
Going through my shelves, I discovered I have way more Greyhawk stuff than I remembered. I even have some stuff which is Greyhawk related and I hadn't realized.
For some reason Oerth was never the focus of our games, but then again we were kind of all over the place back in the day :)
So for me it is interesting to be (re)discovering the setting now.
@OSW: Those articles are in which Dragon magazines?
@Obermind: According to the link you posted:
The twelve deities of the Suel pantheon had been created by Len Lakofka, and he would subsequently publish a detailed five-part article on them in the July–November 1984 issues (#87–92)…
Though 87, 88, 89, 90, 91 and 92 would make….six!?! And yet July, August, September, October, November is…five.
Most of the old Dragon magazines I have I….very cleverly cut the articles out that I wanted and…collated them…with staples. So I can check but only by checking what month is written on the footer of each article and trying to correlate that with any covers I kept. Yay.
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x 10 = 120 gp.
@Obermind: I’ve looked at the Combat Skills and Skills section.
Combat Skill Points paragraph, p. 31: Are you using the “alternative rule” (“If the GM allows, a character’s Intelligence - Languages known score may be added (in whole or in part) to the number of CSPs received at 1st level.” )?
As for General Skills, according to table 6.1 on p.35 Rogues get 3 at 1st level, and 1 every 4 levels. This seems to fly in the face of every subsequent RPG design decision to make Rogues/Bards the skills class/es. I get that Wizards and Priests can be scholarly, or wise or intelligent, but that has little to no bearing on attaining any skills that aren’t related to those aptitudes pr trainings and might be more…vocational? Can we simplify to just have all characters start with 4 and get 1 every 3 levels?
Also, nice to see a healthy amount of hafted weapon options provided. And armor types. And max attacks defended against by shield size…
This is the Alias for Smiles-a-lots PC. He is definitely an elf as far as class goes I’ve narrowed it down to three fighter/mage, fighter/thief, and ranger.
Regardless they all will start with the same wealth:
*10 = 130
Most of the old Dragon magazines I have I….very cleverly cut the articles out that I wanted and…collated them…with staples. So I can check but only by checking what month is written on the footer of each article and trying to correlate that with any covers I kept. Yay.
:D
[dice=Starting Gold]5d4 x 10 = 120 gp.
@Obermind: I’ve looked at the Combat Skills and Skills section.
Combat Skill Points paragraph, p. 31: Are you using the “alternative rule” (“If the GM allows, a character’s Intelligence - Languages known score may be added (in whole or in part) to the number of CSPs received at 1st level.” )?
That is a nope. No bonus CSP from Intelligence.
As for General Skills, according to table 6.1 on p.35 Rogues get 3 at 1st level, and 1 every 4 levels. This seems to fly in the face of every subsequent RPG design decision to make Rogues/Bards the skills class/es. I get that Wizards and Priests can be scholarly, or wise or intelligent, but that has little to no bearing on attaining any skills that aren’t related to those aptitudes pr trainings and might be more…vocational? Can we simplify to just have all characters start with 4 and get 1 every 3 levels?
I am trying to avoid too many houserules from the get-go, but I understand your reasoning. Let me mull it over (while I also investigate and try to understand why were Rogues apparently 'shorthanded' on this. I can only assume it was because they already have the 'rogue skills' inbuilt into the class).
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This is the Alias for Smiles-a-lots PC. He is definitely an elf as far as class goes I’ve narrowed it down to three fighter/mage, fighter/thief, and ranger.
Looks good already! Male Gnome Ninja (Scout) vmc Cleric - 7 is the epitome of Old School :D
That’s what happens when you recycle aliases. ;)
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OK switching to Mage. I will work on him this evening once I peruse the Gold and Glory ruleset.
For those keeping score:
OSW: Fighter
Flanderdash: Paladin/Melee
Daniel S: Cleric
Eric S: Mage
Smilesalot: Some sort of elf
Helaman: Halfling Thief
That is a nope. No bonus CSP from Intelligence.
Gotcha. I think this is a great pity, but I’m obviously biased and invested! It really does a disservice to the concept of a “smart” fighter with more than just a smash and parry, and given Fighters have so many abilities alread… oh, hang on. Lessee now…Specialisation! Found one! ;)
As for General Skills, according to table 6.1 on p.35 Rogues get 3 at 1st level, and 1 every 4 levels. This seems to fly in the face of every subsequent RPG design decision to make Rogues/Bards the skills class/es. I get that Wizards and Priests can be scholarly, or wise or intelligent, but that has little to no bearing on attaining any skills that aren’t related to those aptitudes pr trainings and might be more…vocational? Can we simplify to just have all characters start with 4 and get 1 every 3 levels?
I am trying to avoid too many houserules from the get-go, but I understand your reasoning. Let me mull it over (while I also investigate and try to understand why were Rogues apparently 'shorthanded' on this. I can only assume it was because they already have the 'rogue skills' inbuilt into the class).
I hadn’t considered the Rogue skills - even bards still hang on to old thiefy skills in Gold and Glory. On a side note, their Inspire Courage is awful. Imagine playing a tune for three whole rounds doing nothing else just to give your mates a small bonus. To looting corpses.
That is a nope. No bonus CSP from Intelligence.Gotcha. I think this is a great pity, but I’m obviously biased and invested! It really does a disservice to the concept of a “smart” fighter with more than just a smash and parry, and given Fighters have so many abilities alread… oh, hang on. Lessee now…Specialisation! Found one! ;)
Do not despair. You can always find a master swordsman willing to teach you new techniques. Who knows? ;)
As for General Skills, according to table 6.1 on p.35 Rogues get 3 at 1st level, and 1 every 4 levels. This seems to fly in the face of every subsequent RPG design decision to make Rogues/Bards the skills class/es. I get that Wizards and Priests can be scholarly, or wise or intelligent, but that has little to no bearing on attaining any skills that aren’t related to those aptitudes pr trainings and might be more…vocational? Can we simplify to just have all characters start with 4 and get 1 every 3 levels?I am trying to avoid too many houserules from the get-go, but I understand your reasoning. Let me mull it over (while I also investigate and try to understand why were Rogues apparently 'shorthanded' on this. I can only assume it was because they already have the 'rogue skills' inbuilt into the class).I hadn’t considered the Rogue skills - even bards still hang on to old thiefy skills in Gold and Glory. On a side note, their Inspire Courage is awful. Imagine playing a tune for three whole rounds doing nothing else just to give your mates a small bonus. To looting corpses.
I have never really played a Bard back in AD&D2e, but I know most people considered them... Hmmmm... Subpar?
Hi. Flanderdash here.
Introducing Dhreld of Admundfort, Paladin of St. Cuthbert. He's a barrel-chested man with a slight limp, with a friendly disposition and a bit of a northern accent. (Surprisingly, his 7 Dex doesn't give him an official penalty, but I've chosen the limp to signify it.)
Working on the CS. Keeping his stats as they were rolled, which means 17 Str and 15 Chr.
In Greyhawk, Admundfort is a town in the Shield Lands occupied by the forces of Iuz. Dhreld's family is from there, though they escaped to a village in the Northern reaches where they raise cows, goats, and yaks.
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SO would it be possible to be a dwarf fighter/cleric?? Was looking over the character and thought it might give us a little edge with a dwarf in the group!!
I mean a dwarf’s axe will necessarily be smaller than a human’s…
I was mulling over being an elf or half-elf F/MU but I’m not sure I can bring myself to do it, and the 4 Wisdom really doesn’t help. For those of you familiar with Sarn, my low-Int cleric in Helaman’s OSR game, I’m quite interested in the difference between his “wise enough to recognise a good idea, but not smart enough to generate one” and this nascent low-Wis fighter - “super smart and capable of generate intelligent solutions, but not exactly wise enough to know whether they are actually a good idea to go ahead with.” Which makes both of them kinda irritating to be around socially. Sarn endlessly gets the wrong end of the stick, while this guy won’t know when to stop telling you things he’s thought of.
But generally, they are both friendly, helpful and love to hang out. And beat things to a pulp, because, you know…combat etc…
SO would it be possible to be a dwarf fighter/cleric?? Was looking over the character and thought it might give us a little edge with a dwarf in the group!!
I like it.
SO would it be possible to be a dwarf fighter/cleric?? Was looking over the character and thought it might give us a little edge with a dwarf in the group!!I mean a dwarf’s axe will necessarily be smaller than a human’s…
I was mulling over being an elf or half-elf F/MU but I’m not sure I can bring myself to do it, and the 4 Wisdom really doesn’t help. For those of you familiar with Sarn, my low-Int cleric in Helaman’s OSR game, I’m quite interested in the difference between his “wise enough to recognise a good idea, but not smart enough to generate one” and this nascent low-Wis fighter - “super smart and capable of generate intelligent solutions, but not exactly wise enough to know whether they are actually a good idea to go ahead with.” Which makes both of them kinda irritating to be around socially. Sarn endlessly gets the wrong end of the stick, while this guy won’t know when to stop telling you things he’s thought of.
But generally, they are both friendly, helpful and love to hang out. And beat things to a pulp, because, you know…combat etc…
Looking forward to this. Sarn is great.
Thanks Smiles. I do try to rein it in somewhat. There’s a fine line between fondly daffy and super irritating. At least for me, so I am conscious of a) not derailing the story with my “interesting character” and b) just plain not being annoying.
For what it’s worth, my all time favorite PbP character was in the Greyhawk game I was in with Eric, Daniel and GM Obermind. A brave young lass fighting to protect her fishing village-hometown and investigate strange goings on. Human, Fighter, Harpoon. It was all she really needed. Then she got a net. (I still feel pretty responsible for the collapse of that game, though ALLENDM did have some pretty major changes to his availability.)
But point is that there was nothing particularly interesting about Naia in terms of class, race or mechanics - it was jer personality and interpersonal interactions that made her fun to play. Plus she didn’t have 7 Int or 4 Wis…
…And thinking about it further, or for longer than the five minutes it took to write the previous post, I as usual missed a vital point because I can be pretty self-involved.
One of the main reasons Naia was so fun to play was the ensemble cast of characters she could bounce off, and a wonderfully involved, dedicated and invested GM with a flair for descriptive text and cinematic combat. ALLENDM’s description of Naia’s family’s homestead was so convincing I could smell the sea air and be almost transported to some 18th century Connecticut seaside village, even though I live in Australia and Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh was written by an Englishman and most likely emulated a late medieval Cornish or Kentish coast. But hey, imagination takes you to some interesting places.
SO would it be possible to be a dwarf fighter/cleric?? Was looking over the character and thought it might give us a little edge with a dwarf in the group!!
That is definitely possible!
@OSW: Yeah, ALLENDM’s shoes are very big to fill. He has very strong storytelling skills, as well as a deep knowledge of the module and environs. It made for a great experience while it lasted. I was very sad to see that game end.
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Just as an FYI, I am very happy with the fact we are throwing ideas around, and not only about this game specifically, but also about how we see gaming in general, and whatever we want to bring up.
While we are at it, please feel free to make your character’s background as short, or as long as you would like - I am perfectly ok with simply a line or two, to give us the ‘feel’ of the character. Even if you have more in your head (and I know we usually do), there is no need to lay it all out at once if you do not have the time for it, or simply do not feel like - I am a firm believer of developing characters as things proceed.
To make my life easier though, I will shamelessly ask for you to include in your background considerations a reason (or several) for your characters to be ‘adventuring/traveling’ ;)
Hi. Flanderdash here.
Introducing Dhreld of Admundfort, Paladin of St. Cuthbert. He's a barrel-chested man with a slight limp, with a friendly disposition and a bit of a northern accent. (Surprisingly, his 7 Dex doesn't give him an official penalty, but I've chosen the limp to signify it.)
Working on the CS. Keeping his stats as they were rolled, which means 17 Str and 15 Chr.
In Greyhawk, Admundfort is a town in the Shield Lands occupied by the forces of Iuz. Dhreld's family is from there, though they escaped to a village in the Northern reaches where they raise cows, goats, and yaks.
Looking good!
Rolling stuff here:
40 gp total
nice!
Nice rolling Eric ;)
@ HeIaman -think you get 6 non-combat skills. 3 for your class, 1 (trade or knowledge, pg35), 2 for your 8 intelligence (learning skills, pg35).
Unlike the optional extra combat skills based on intelligence the non-combat skills appear to be part of the core rules.
I think Smiles has the right of it.
x 10 = 150 gp
OSW’s character Vaneirin Keletar, human fighter from Gannaway in Berghof. Will work on sheet and small background over the next few days.
I just about have all my crunch done just need to sort out my equipment and add some fluff. He is a ranger from the Gamboge Forest.
Said profile
Can we spend additional skill points beyond basic proficiency to get Advanced or Master proficiency in non-combat skills at level 1?
Can we spend additional skill points beyond basic proficiency to get Advanced or Master proficiency in non-combat skills at level 1?
That is a nope Vaneirin - I want to stick to the level 1 feel for the characters.
Even in the future, I am thinking Advanced or Mastery might require a 'trainer/mentor' of some sort. We'll see how things develop.
Crunch is just about done. Working on a quick background for him, will post it tomorrow.
OK..here is my alias so far...need to get proficiencies and equipment and spells....and a background...Whoo, I have a bunch to do!! lol
Good! Thank you all for the updates, and for keeping us moving along.
What are you finding of the Character Creation process so far (and of using For Gold & Glory, if you are using it)? Of course these are not 1e characters, so they get a bit more complex, but not that much, right?
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On another note, I think I am now finally settled into what I think would be a good way to start us off - something Classic, but also with some (hopefully unexpected) spins ;)