I really like the concept of an infernal vampiric knight, but there's no epic magic item that grants the vampire template. Lich and graveknight, yes, but no vampire.
Would it be okay if my custom race was sort of a mashup of both the Nephilim and the Moroi(the vampire race also from Rite Publishing), and take Fiendish Exemplar and Blood Noble(the Moroi paragon class) as my two classes?
Again, if you don't have access to In the Company of Vampires, I can provide all the relevant info.
With all the great questions and feedback, I think I have come up with a really bizarre idea for a PC, GM going to send you a PM to check if its ok, before I head down this rabbit hole. :)
This is Seer of Shadows with the as-yet-incomplete Lisaia the Bloodmaiden, whose final build is still being fine-tuned. Her statblock is not in the profile yet as a result, but I wanted to go over the character and make sure she is a fit for your game.
Her meta-level concept is based on the baobhan sith of Scottish folklore, a vampire-succubus-banshee-fey whose powers range from devouring blood, laying curses, or killing with piercing wails. I actually named her race, Baa'van See, after the canon pronunciation of baobhan sith.
Her background is that she was a fey conceived in the forbidden union between a human woman and an exiled fey noble, which caused her to be born with the burden of innumerable curses and the need to feed on blood. Her human mother raised her with love and care, but the curses that leaked from the unwitting young fey eventually claimed her mother. She wandered for years until she found acceptance on the Isle of Avalon, whose blessed shores suppressed her curses and whose kind inhabits welcomed her with open arms. Avalon eventually fell to an invading force and was lost to the mists of time forever, leaving her bereft of home and companionship once more. The years of tragedy, loneliness, and betrayal have changed her and she has fallen far since then, having embraced her cursed nature and become a dark mirror of her former self. Even the most cruel and self-absorbed villains recognize that a multiversal apocalypse is a bad thing though and she responds to the call to retrieve the artifacts with the same fervor more heroic souls do, perhaps also spurred on by some lingering sentiment from the withered human half of her soul.
It would take a while to get into the complexities of her build and explain every single thing that she can do, but I can touch on it to give you an idea of her capabilities. If you want a quick and easy description before I get into that, know that she is a mixed-attacker with both magic and melee options that can engage foes at many ranges, spread debilitating debuffs to foes, and provide unique forms of aid and utility to further increase the party's efficiency. She is one of the most mechanically-complex PCs that I have built in quite some time and there are a lot of moving parts that go into the stratagems she will be employing.
The Death sphere is next in line. The Bleeding Wounds Ghost Strike pairs very well with both her Crimson Dancer class and the Blood sphere and can, with a spellpoint, stack double her caster level in bleed damage on a target if it succeeds. This sphere also allows her to inflict many kinds of afflictions, curses, and other detrimental effects onto foes, mostly through one of the Ghost Strike talents. Summoning specific spirits is another of her talents, as is permanently being able to speak to the dead and see a creature's general health in a manner similar to Deathwatch. Again, this is not the full extent of her capabilities, but should serve as a guideline for what she can accomplish.
The Mind Sphere is next, although it is much simpler to get explain. She will have plenty of mind-affecting options for use, including Amnesia, Command, Enthrall, Mind Spy, and Paralyze. All of these will be easier to use against bleeding targets thanks to the Vampire's Guile feat. Simple, effective, useful.
Fate is the last sphere that has any respectable degree of investment. Most of my choices here were limited to curses and interesting tarot buffs. Harm is an especially useful talent since it causes a target to take untyped damage equal to half her caster level every time they take damage, regardless of the source.
Most of my other spheres I plan on taking are there to help me qualify for certain dual sphere feats and don't warrant special attention. But spheres and the talents chosen from those are not the only powers my character has.
Her heavy investment in the Necrosis feat chain gives a range of bonuses: extra spell points, elemental resistances that can become temporary immunities by spending a spell point, the ability to invert positive and negative energy's effects on herself with a spellpoint, a permanent CHA bonus to fortitude saves, bonuses against many detrimental effects, and a mystic phylactery that enables her to linger at death's door when she would normally die, allowing her be healed back to life so long as it's done before her next turn comes around.
Her Crimson Dancer specialization, Scarlet Dancer, grants many useful abilities. She can move adjacent to any creature suffering from bloodletting without consuming movement or provoking attacks of opportunity. Her speed can never be reduced and she can spend Vitae to ignore all effects or conditions that could impede her movement. She can move at increased speeds while attacking everything in her way by spending Vitae using her Secret of the Soul. Secret of Blood enables her to, for one Vitae, close-range teleport from adjacent to a bleeding foe to one that has not been affected by exsanguinate. All of these vastly improve her mobility in combat and let her menace foes that would otherwise be outside her reach.
Lamentation is the Hedgewitch Path I chose. This choice was both a lore pick and a backup in case a foe is immune to bleeding, curses, death effects, and negative energy. It enables her to release wails that deal sonic damage and allows her to add Miseries to them that either increase damage or provide debilitating effects much like an Antipaladin's Cruelties. It also provides a nice capstone: a permanent form of semi-incorporeality with all of the benefits and few of the drawbacks, as well as a 60 ft. perfect fly speed.
Eat Pain is a very useful power to have since she can maximize any source of damage directed against her to gain 2 Vitae any number of times per round. This might seem suicidal in such a high-powered game and it normally would be, but for the fact that she will be gaining chunks of temporary HP from her bleeding effects that offset this.
The ten levels of Grim Disciple Mageknight might seem like an odd pick at first glance, but it helps continue her full BAB progression into epic levels, makes cursing foes a less action-heavy process, and adds her casting ability modifier to all attack and damage rolls she makes against targets afflicted with a curse effect.
The ten levels of Baobhan Sith Wraith tie a little more obviously into her role and themes. Blood Lover gives her natural claw attacks that she can use even when possessing another creature, gives an extra attack after landing Exsanguinating Strike, and enables her to spend spellpoints to use any charm from the Mind sphere upon establishing a Blood Control effect. False Seducer makes her good at lying, gives her the ability to tell when targets believe her lies, shifts a target's attitude towards the positive if they fall for her Bluffs, and she can dismiss the attitude shift to make a Suggestion. Throatripper gives her bonuses to attack rolls against any creature affected by one of her charm abilities.
Her gameplay loop is built around afflicting as many foes as possible with debilitating curses and large chunks of bleed damage, then preying on their minds and proceeding to pile on the damage as they bleed out. She has quite a few secondary, support, and utility options to back up her and a foe immune to her debilitations will not cripple her in combat.
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How do you handle the Favored Class Bonus for gestalt? Do both classes get a bonus, or just one? Can we choose the FCBs for our custom race?
Treat it as if Gestalt was your favored class (ie you get benefits from all 30 levels of Gestalt.)
You get to choose either 1 HP or 1 Skill Point as normal. If you want to have other options, spend 1 RP and apply any of the alternate options already present within the game, or the functionals equivalent of one, to your Gestalt. Each additional option you want to be able to apply costs 1 RP.
For instance, if you wanted to be able to choose from the "additional spell known" and "1/4 slayer talent" options, that would be 2 RP of your 30.
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Okay, good info.
Second question, how do you feel about Spheres of Power content? Individual basis?
I'm ok with spheres of power because people I trust enough are ok with it. My familiarity with it is not great, so it will take me some additional time to review the options taken.
If you know something is broken, don't take it.
I'll do my best to remind myself this is a level where people have access to multiple wishes and miracles before deciding if something is broken.
(Hint: if something lets you do essentially a full round action as a swift action at will, it's probably broken.)
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Okay, trying to consolidate all my questions here so that other people can refer to the answers:
* Is the Spheres of Power oath system okay? How do we scale some of the boons that cap at 20th level? (I'm looking particularly at those that replicate ABP features: Enhanced Abilities, Enhanced Armaments, Enhanced Defenses, Inhuman Resilience, and Shielded Form)
* How about mythic Sphere feats? I'm mostly looking at Mythic Transformation to be able to give my phoenix an appropriately Colossal firebird form.
* How do you feel about me flavoring some magical items as being part of my phoenix's anatomy?
Abilities (spells, powers, whatever) that cap at 20th level cap at 20th level. Exceptions that are spelled out by rules allowing exceptions (e.g. Epic Sorcerer's Arcane Conversion, where you give up spell slots to individually increase other spell's caps.)
The oaths system is ok. An oath of poverty would limit you to 1.92 Million Gold pieces (your starting wealth would be reduced to this) with no item costing over 32K. This would possibly severely reduce your stats compare to everyone else, as you would not have access to higher enhancement items and wouldn't be able to have book-based inherent bonuses.
I'm good with using the mythic spheres feats as your mythic feat. Also the Legendary Games Mythic ruleset is approved expanding mythic options.
Magic Item Focus — Magic Item Specialization -- Magic Item Mastery -- Internalize Power chain lets you incorporate specific magic item slots into your being. Since you're not trying to wear magic items on top of having them internalized, I'd also allow you to internalize other magic items, but they would still take up the slots they normally would.
Polymorph often subsumes items into your form and allows continuous magic items to function, so maybe your mythic transformation already covers what you want.
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I really like the concept of an infernal vampiric knight, but there's no epic magic item that grants the vampire template. Lich and graveknight, yes, but no vampire.
Would it be okay if my custom race was sort of a mashup of both the Nephilim and the Moroi(the vampire race also from Rite Publishing), and take Fiendish Exemplar and Blood Noble(the Moroi paragon class) as my two classes?
Again, if you don't have access to In the Company of Vampires, I can provide all the relevant info.
I'm ok with you doing this, 30 RP goes a long way towards this kind of mash-up.
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With all the great questions and feedback, I think I have come up with a really bizarre idea for a PC, GM going to send you a PM to check if its ok, before I head down this rabbit hole. :)
I need a bit more time to digest what you're suggesting/requesting. Will get back with you hopefully by tomorrow.
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This is Seer of Shadows with the as-yet-incomplete Lisaia the Bloodmaiden, whose final build is still being fine-tuned. Her statblock is not in the profile yet as a result, but I wanted to go over the character and make sure she is a fit for your game.
The general theme of inquiries and intentions thus far seem to match up well with her. Arinolus will use whichever tools are the most effective in his quest to stop Sporaxus.
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Crafting Feats Question
This is usually a sticky problem, which tends to boil down to "do I get double the starting wealth if I pick crafting feats". If you are adventuring, and you get a bunch of equipment (wealth by level) you don't need/want and sell it, you only get 50% of its price. Then you turn that 50% into an item you actually do want because you have the crafting feat, worth the same exact amount. So being able to craft doesn't double your money, it just lets you select the equipment you want.
Then the problem becomes since we're creating level 30 characters from scratch, we already get to pick whatever we want, so what benefit does picking crafting feats give us? You get 30 feats so it's not that difficult to pick a few crafting feats out of those 30, yet you are giving up another feat choice.
It's not worth double the money. Instead, I'll say that each magical crafting feat adds 500K gold to your starting wealth. The Prudent Crafter epic feat adds 1.25 Million Gold to yourt starting wealth.
The epic magic items that grant templates would apply those template abilities during a polymorph spell, right? Since they're continuous magic item effects.
I'm working on a dragon shifter, who can spend 24/7 in his dragon form and don't want to waste money on something I can't use.
Edit: for worshippers of Arinolus, what are his domains and subdomains?
Templates? No, although the specific epic magic items in Jesse’s guide that provide templates are allowed to be purchased and used to gain one template that way.
The first post says this, though. If he’s changed his mind that’s fine, just thought those were okay.
Probably for the best. Thanks for pointing that out for me!
Sorry for the confusion. The original exception stands (which is what I meant by "stick with the no templates"), just no other exceptions. Those items are ok.
Oooh fun! Thanks for the clarification.
Did you happen to have Arinolus‘ domains for his clerics? Or does he not grant power like that?
I'm going away for a few days and probably won't be checking the boards (or at least I really shouldn't!), so I thought I'd post what I have so far for general edification and error-checking.
What to say about her? Well, she's kind of a fantasy princess, exiled from her people and sent to live in a distant tower because of her witchy powers and her magic hair. But she's also a giant. So she does lots of deep, arcane magic stuff-- like expanding her demiplane and specializing in Necromantic spells that don't summon undead-- and she also does lots of scrappy, giant fighty stuff-- like grappling enemies into submission with her walloping locks.
She's grown up in a special protected bubble, but she won't be safe for long since it's only a matter of time before Sporaxus tracks her down. All of her relatives have been Unmade, and it seems like Arinolus is her only hope for a future. She will have to learn to work with others and brave the big bright beautiful world beyond her frozen island if she's going to have a life where she gets to keep futzing around with magical snowmen and singing about the cold.
There's a fair few cheesy things in her build, but I've tried to keep everything fair within the parameters. For example, she has purchased and spent the materials necessary to make two winter hag simulacra, which she can join in a coven. Together the three of them can make more simulacra as a spell-like ability, including things like solars with 1/day wishes or even Baba Yaga or Nocticula. I figure that this lets her do almost anything in her little demiplane of make-believe, but none of it will carry out into "the real world" unless she can actually pay for it with real money (the starting gold amount for this game). It's like she's living in a dollhouse made of snow.
The Spell Supremacy epic feat really appealed to me, so I sort of built around it. But instead of using something boring and done like shocking grasp or battering blast, I decided to go with chill touch. If Evelynda is selected, I'm looking forward to seeing how far we can push that sad and neglected little first level spell. Anyway, that sort of led to most of the choices I made with this character: cold, dark, and equal parts positive and negative energy.
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Sorry for the confusion. The original exception stands (which is what I meant by "stick with the no templates"), just no other exceptions. Those items are ok.Oooh fun! Thanks for the clarification.
Did you happen to have Arinolus‘ domains for his clerics? Or does he not grant power like that?
Arinolus is able to grant his worshipers any domain.
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Sorry for the confusion. The original exception stands (which is what I meant by "stick with the no templates"), just no other exceptions. Those items are ok.In that case, I have one question regarding those Templates that involve Rejuvenation - how would those work?
Normally a lich has a phylactery and the Graveknight his armor - there are also items involved here - would they basically take over this role after the 24-hour attunement?
If so, do they have to remain "attached" to the remains? Or could a contingency move them somewhere safe, where they start the rebuilding process?
And how would they interact with a Phylactery Doll?
Specifically, I am wondering about dying when the connection to the doll is cut(e.g. Antimagic Field)
AFAIK it's not enough to kill a Lich in an AMF to shut down his phylactery but the wording seems to suggest here it would.I like having a failsafe for a bit of reckless play, but considering the significant price point those template-items carry, I'd like to know a bit more to gauge if they seem worth the investment :) Thank you.
So, the items would become the source of the Rejuvenation. However, should someone else become attuned to them before the rejuvenation process was completed, there would be issues.... probably involving opposed charisma checks over the rejuvenation period... it could prove fatal to either the "original" owner or the new one.
I cannot find Phylactery Doll via Google and am unfamiliar; could you link?
It's in the Epic Pathfinder Handbook that you linked. Page 157-158.
Just a heads up: Looking through epic book last night, and there's definitely a few errors:
Epic Skill Focus(21 ranks in a skill):
Select one skill in which you have invested at least 31 ranks. You gain a +12 bonus on all skill checks with that skill. If you have 31 ranks in your chosen skill, the bonus increases by an additional +6,
I would assume it's supposed to be 'pick a skill you have *21* ranks in'.
Legendary Climber [Skill]
Prerequisites: Dexterity 21, Balance 12 ranks, Climb 21 ranks.
Pretty sure Balance is no longer a skill in Pathfinder...
There might be others, so just keep an eye out.
Magic Item Focus — Magic Item Specialization -- Magic Item Mastery -- Internalize Power chain lets you incorporate specific magic item slots into your being. Since you're not trying to wear magic items on top of having them internalized, I'd also allow you to internalize other magic items, but they would still take up the slots they normally would.
Polymorph often subsumes items into your form and allows continuous magic items to function, so maybe your mythic transformation already covers what you want.
I'll have to look at that feat chain. But you are correct on the way the transformation works--I've been thinking of the giant firebird form as its true form so much I didn't think about how it's technically a polymorph effect by the rules. :D
MG TOP BRASS here
with the bones of my PC
QUIN-TESS-ENCE.
Advanced Elan PSION [Telepath] L20 / UNCARNATE L10 / CRYPTIC L30 / Mythic [Meta-Mind] L1
Quin to some, Tess to others.
Still a lot to do.
MG TOP BRASS here
with the bones of my PC
QUIN-TESS-ENCE.
Advanced Elan PSION [Telepath] L20 / UNCARNATE L10 / CRYPTIC L30 / Mythic [Meta-Mind] L1Quin to some, Tess to others.
Still a lot to do.
I love both Uncarate and Cryptic. It'll be interesting to see how this works out.
Philo here. Here's my character. A fey princess who plays around with time and space.
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And how would they interact with a Phylactery Doll?
Specifically, I am wondering about dying when the connection to the doll is cut(e.g. Antimagic Field)
AFAIK it's not enough to kill a Lich in an AMF to shut down his phylactery but the wording seems to suggest here it would.
It seems to me, an antimagic field/mage's disjunction could sever your link to the doll, thus eliminating the thing that gives you the template, so the template and all its benefits would be removed and you would thus be destroyed.
Also, for clarification on this campaign's settings, a Phylactery Doll would only work if it were in the same Realm as your character, unless it was at least a minor artifact with a dedicated, eternal, or everlasting bond legendary item ability (which is not available at campaign start.)
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I had a question about the epic sorcerer ability Arcane Conversion. One of the options is:
Apply one metamagic feat with a maximum level adjustment equal to 1/2 the spell level of the converted slot (rounded down)As written, this doesn't have to be a metamagic feat you know or even one that you qualify for. Is that right?
It definitely looks that way, and since it's a limited-use ability, I'm ok with it.
Hey Reckless, would you allow Legendary Games' Legendary versions of (many) Paizo classes?
Thanks,
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Hey Reckless, would you allow Legendary Games' Legendary versions of (many) Paizo classes?
Thanks,
Yes.
Great!
One more question. I'm playing with a sun wukong / drunken monkey trickster build.
Are you good with the Light Body optional rule?
I haven't had the time to work on my character these last few days. When is the deadline for applications? I would like to try and finish Lisaia, but don't want to feel as if I am holding everyone else up.
Well..I made my character submission, gestalt bard/godling (eldritch), up to lvl 20. Now I need to hammer out the details on my work for epic eldritch godling with Reckless. Once that's done, I can lvl him up to 30. Then buying the gear and completing the spell lists begin.
What a lovely labor of love!
Well, Corvus is now largely complete.
Vee Gees here with Sharletta.
Still have more to do but a large chunk of her stats are done.
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Great!
One more question. I'm playing with a sun wukong / drunken monkey trickster build.
Are you good with the Light Body optional rule?
No, sorry, hard pass on that.
HI GM with what you have said about Planes and their effects in them, I think it would be dumb to have 2x Psion class PC, if there is an Anti magic//Devine/psion field or they just don't work my PC is in trouble, So flexibility is key. That being said then, I have changed my PC it be.
Advanced Elan PSION [Telepath] L20 / UNCARNATE L10 / INVESTIGATOR-GADGETER L30 / Mythic [Meta-Mind] R1
From a high-tech plane where Science and psionics live hand in hand.
APPEARANCE
QUIN-TESS-ENCE often materializes as a large hovering shifting fractal flower.
HI GM with what you have said about Planes and their effects in them, I think it would be dumb to have 2x Psion class PC, if there is an Anti magic//Devine/psion field or they just don't work my PC is in trouble, So flexibility is key. That being said then, I have changed my PC it be.
If they have anti-magic, it will likely take long enough for everybody to figure out their numbers that it will kill the game. :)
Still, it makes sense to diversify and always have some alternate tactics.
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When the Creator ignited the first star, a loop of flame erupted from its newly-burning surface. This flame took some tiny divine spark and formed great wings and keen talons, becoming the first and greatest of all phoenixes. The Creator charged it with going forth to bring light and warmth to the coldest and darkest corners of existence, and since that time it has flown the void, bringing its fire to those who need it most.
…or so one legend says of its origin. But legends about it are as numerous as its names: The Sunwing, The Beginning of Phoenixes, The Stellar Eagle. When asked, the name it gives for itself most often is The First Flame, but it acknowledges the others, as well.
What is certain is that The First Flame is a being of great compassion, but also terrible wrath. At times they descend on a darkened corner of a world and bring hope to a dying people, using its power to rekindle life where it was almost extinguished. At other times their coming is marked by vitrifying entire swaths of land with its flames--sometimes because of an obvious threat, other times when no danger can be seen. Still other times it descends in its smaller, anthropomorphic form, to speak to and guide individuals or nations that were lost in metaphorical darkness.
Now, it rises to the call to fight the End-Flame, the Fire of Undoing, that which is counter to every fiber of its essence. It will throw its entire being into this war, but it is not hasty nor foolish. It is ready to plan, to prepare, to do all within its considerable power to assure victory.
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I'm still working on transferring everything over, but The First Flame is pretty much done on the spreadsheet I was working on. I'll try to get it all formatted and transferred over by next Monday.
I have been silently lurking and working on a character waiting to decide if I can get all the bits and bobs in order to make a character for this. I now believe I can, but I do have a bunch of questions to make the character work and make sure I am doing things correctly.
1: Arinolus. What is Arinolus’s alignment and favored weapon? I plan on having Arinolus as my character’s diety and the above do have a mechanical effect.
2: Would equivalent Epic Metapsionic Feats be allowed for Psionic Characters? For example, Enduring Spell would be Enduring Power, require Extend Power and raise the PP cost of a power under it’s effect by 12. Otherwise functions the same as Enduring Spell. Would that be correct?
3: How do Prestige classes progressing class abilities into Epic Levels work? Jesse’s Epic Pathfinder gives suggestions on making prestige classes epic, but not on if neither base or prestige class are epic but together they would progress a class ability to epic levels. This could easily be a case by case scenario.
3a: If Prestige Classes don’t progress class features to Epic Level, could we use epic feats (with GM review) to advance class features from a level 20 class we prestiged out of into epic levels?
4: Would you be opposed to the High Psionics Soulknives rule presented in Psionics Augmented: Soulknives? It essentially gives Soulknives a free archetype to give them manifesting up to 4th level powers (like a paladin or Ranger progression)
Reckless, I am considering taking Mythic Vital Strike as my mythic feat, as my PC is all about brutal attacks(well, and being an absolute beast of a tank, lol).
I'm curious if you're aware of how badly it's worded, and the proposed solutions from Legendary Games.
As officially written, if I were to use any of the feats in the vital strike chain, I would be multiplying everything by something like 48+. My Str bonus alone would add 912 damage, lol
I'm okay with either above linked solution.