Lost Lands

Game Master Edeldhur

ok, so we're turning him over to the 'law' after we've already punished him.

As to 'someone could have stopped Hamish' That's not the point, it's almost insulting. like it's our characters responsibility to stop your character from doing something our character wouldn't do. May be great plot/story in writing, but bad RP if you're trying to be inclusive. It's practically begging for a fight.

The point is that your character who is CG just maimed a man. I get that in Hamish's mind it's punishment, but your right, at best it's chaotic neutral, just not sure why Hamish, who is chaotic good would do it.

Those things aside. Naomi is Watching to see what you and the others would do in the situation. To see if these are the types of people she wants to be associated with... ie in 'Gubble's' Band with.

I'm just surprised that you'd take it for granted that it's ok.

I believe that Hamish is saying that any character who would stop him has an opportunity to do so. If your character would step in and stop him, they can. But he's gonna do what he's gonna do.

On a more personal note, I don't really see Hamish's actions as extremely incompatible with Good. When we found a group of bandits on the road attacking innocent people earlier, Hamish participated in our group killing some of them. No one questioned it. I get that it's a bit different when you're actively fighting vs have already captured them, but I don't think it's that different. Later on, we'll probably end up tracking down this group and murdering some or all of them. It's not like he's cutting off an arm or something either, just a couple of fingers that aren't that important.

I'll check back later, but I want to see if the finger removal causes the guy to fall unconscious first.

@Naomi...I don't see anything wrong with Hamish's RP. His character (CG) is intent on an action. He left a wide-open RP hook inviting someone to step in if we'd prefer not to see the fingers removed. He's not speaking or unilaterally deciding a course of action for the group.

"That's not the point, it's almost insulting. like it's our characters responsibility to stop your character from doing something our character wouldn't do. May be great plot/story in writing, but bad RP if you're trying to be inclusive. It's practically begging for a fight."

Insulting...sorry but I'm not offended at all by this.

Responsibility to stop him...He left the door wide open inviting us to. No problem there either.

Fight???? Why? We have the opportunity to disagree with the punishment as it's been suggested by a CG character. We may disagree with the actions being CG, that's up for debate, I think it falls within the spectrum of CG. Morality can be interpreted differently in a world that's vastly different where fighting for your life is not uncommon.

And you may disagree with what my actions would be as an LG Paladin if delivering him to Fairhill was not an option.

If delivering him to Fairhill was not an option I would feel perfectly comfortable with Elgrin chopping his head off in punishment for his crimes. I don't think that would violate LG ethics. But alignment and ethics can be a tedious debate. One that I hope we can avoid.

TLDR: I think he's being inclusive and see no problem with his RP

GM has been in a game with me where I objected to a player unilaterally dictating the actions of the party and I objected fiercely. I do not see this scenario in the same way at all.

I agree, if we were out in the wild, it would be an action we would all consider reasonable, after we weighed our options. My concern is somewhere between we were going to let the law deal with him, and now we're maiming him and calling it the actions of a 'good man.'

Again, situation different we'd all probably agree to the actions being 'just.' But angrily cutting off someone fingers (who were taking to legal authorities) does raise concerns.

My concern is really two-fold. I'm worried about having such a wide disagreement on what we as players would call the actions of a 'good' character in game.

But more so, I'm concerned with the fact that Naomi probably would not 'team up' with someone who would angrily cut the fingers off of someone else.

I have to decide how 'true' to Naomi's character I want to play her.

As I see it...No fingers were cut off. The intent was stated with an RP hook inviting someone to intervene.

If in your mind his actions/intentions make him stray into CN territory, fine. You're free to that opinion. Just as he is free to envision these actions as firmly within CG.

Good and Neutral characters can play together. Good and Evil, no, it gets tiresome.

It's a team game and we all have to make compromises for the sake of cohesion. I really don't think this has to be a big deal.

ok, so no blood no foul. We have a hot head who would have cut someone's fingers off, but you stopped them. Got it.

On a totally different note then. My last post;

... she leaned against the door frame waiting to see what the fellows would do with someone who had been paid to kill them. 'Gubble had wanted a crew, at this rate we'll find out if these boys are the sort he's want to be in a 'band' with or not.' She frowned at the thought, 'Or the type I'd want to be a part of.'

My intention was the post would indicate Naomi was watching to see what kind of men she was considering working with.

Did you get that impression from the post?

Ok, I was going to put this in a PM, but I decided that wasn't fair to Hamish or the rest of you. Since I started the conversation on discussion it's only fair that I say it out loud type it for you all to read.

First off, Hamish your last several posts have been some of the best writing I've seen on the boards for quite a while. I think the imagery of Hamish's inner turmoil and the way you've described his actions have been top notch.

Presently, my life is more stressful than it's been in an age, and I'm sure some of that is bleeding over, and for that I'm sorry.

I got focused on my/Naomi's desire to 'prove the group is good enough to be a band' that I ignored the quality RP going on.

Hamish is fine as Chaotic Good, I was just surprised that once he was through with the interrogation that he was willing to, what I thought was, torture. I don't think I read it well enough the first time to follow it, but when I reread it, I did realize that it was a punishment; but I had already decided I didn't like it.

I was quick to jump to a conclusion and I shouldn't have. And if I had questions, I should have PM'd Hamish instead of spouting off. Sorry Hamish it wasn't right.

Please accept my apology, after I stepped away from the computer a bit and focused on other stuff, I realized how petty I was being. I'll try to be more thoughtful the next time and realize I'm responding to stuff that you folks have nothing to do with.

Great job discussing it all through everyone. Alignments have always been restricting to me. 9 little labels supposed to define so much.

It was also a great scene!

First off, Hamish your last several posts have been some of the best writing I've seen on the boards for quite a while. I think the imagery of Hamish's inner turmoil and the way you've described his actions have been top notch.

Totally agree. Absolutely fantastic, dude. And I also agree with Gubble. It was a great scene.

Oof, I got ninjad pretty hard and my post kinda messes up the flow of reading things.

Anyway, glad that GM Obermind actually made us RP this out. Turning out to be pretty meaningful.

Also, I don't mind people raising objections to things.

Edit: also, I'm wondering if it's ok for me to be making reasonable inferences based on what the guy has said, or if I'm supposed to roll Sense Motive. Personally, I prefer not to roll dice until the GM tells me I'm supposed to, and it seems pretty clear that this guy has now dodged my direct question twice. But I guess there's an in game statistic that represents making social inferences, so maybe I should be rolling that here. If so, let me know.

Anyway, glad that GM Obermind actually made us RP this out. Turning out to be pretty meaningful.

I had a feeling this prisoner would bring out some interesting conversations (they usually do, to be honest) ;) And there were a couple of times I thought about intervening while you guys were discussing, but I am glad I did not - you have made your DM very proud with some solid RP!

Edit: also, I'm wondering if it's ok for me to be making reasonable inferences based on what the guy has said, or if I'm supposed to roll Sense Motive. Personally, I prefer not to roll dice until the GM tells me I'm supposed to, and it seems pretty clear that this guy has now dodged my direct question twice. But I guess there's an in game statistic that represents making social inferences, so maybe I should be rolling that here. If so, let me know.

The way I see it, you can always have an opinion and make inferences - if you want them to be grounded in something more than your/your character's gut feeling then you can use stuff like Sense Motive.

All, thanks for the writing kudos. Glad that every once in a while something actually works. :)

Naomi, totally understand life and stress and all the things along with missing or misunderstanding something on the first read through. (Ha! Just ask the players in my PbP Midgard game.) It's all water under the bridge at this point as far as I'm concerned.

And sorry for being a bit slow to respond. I usually jump away from the boards in the evenings to be with family and take care of all the other RL things. So didn't catch up with all of this until just a bit ago.

If Jalros's voice is the scrape of steel on a whetstone...

Lol! Oh man, I just rolled on this. So perfectly well described. I love it. I wish I would've thought of it. :)

Had been waiting on Guthlag, but I will move us along tonight.

Some answers, if people agree, Prisoner walking, probably bound with hands behind his back? Yep, close and lock the barn/house, maybe hide the key(if we find it), someplace we can tell the family (if we find them or include in correspondence if we can't).

So are we describing any of that in game? Or just answering OOC and moving on? I don't want to make any assumptions...or step on anyone's toes.

Always in game Naomi - an OOC sentence can be almost the same as an IC one. Just a twist and a touch. Done! ;)

Always in game Naomi - an OOC sentence can be almost the same as an IC one. Just a twist and a touch. Done! ;)

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I will get a post up soon, I've started GMing my first game, it's a little harder than I thought. Just posted the NPC's for the Man's Promise in S&S. Now trying to get caught up in my regular games.

Congrats on GMing your first game! It is definitely more work than one usually anticipates ;)

The game needed a GM. One of the players is the GM of a Kingmaker game that just started. I really want to play kingmaker, so I proposed a deal.

I'm reasonably familiar with S&S and it's one of the few AP's I have access to. So why not, I've got the time, But not planning on there being that many named NPC's again...

Just throwing out suggestions to move us along. Never ever with the intention of eclipsing others opinions. Happy to roleplay if it is desired.

More important CONGRATS on the first gming! That is super awesome!

More important CONGRATS on the first gming! That is super awesome!

Thanks?Sadly it's super tedious, more like doing homework for a writing class, or maybe a graphic design class, than anything else in my experience so far. I'm sure it will flow easier later but, wow, just wow.

Yeah… Pathfinder is a complex game, with all the rules, classes, feats, traits, archetypes, splatbooks, etc, etc. Which means running it in PbP is even more complex, sometimes unfortunately detracting from the story to drown you in mechanical aspects.

One of the projects I have on my table is to give OSR systems an honest try. Who knows? They may be enjoyable, they may allow me to run older D&D modules without much hassle, and maybe, just maybe they turn out also contributing to streamlining PbP games enough to increase their success rate.

So one of the systems I tried here on the boards was, Apocalypse world. I really enjoyed it, if I were going to run a game in person, I think it's the game I'd go with.

Ouch. I have considered it on occasion, then start looking at how much work it is. I balk and thank all my gms. THANK YOU OBERMIND

Yeah… Pathfinder is a complex game, with all the rules, classes, feats, traits, archetypes, splatbooks, etc, etc. Which means running it in PbP is even more complex, sometimes unfortunately detracting from the story to drown you in mechanical aspects.

One of the projects I have on my table is to give OSR systems an honest try. Who knows? They may be enjoyable, they may allow me to run older D&D modules without much hassle, and maybe, just maybe they turn out also contributing to streamlining PbP games enough to increase their success rate.

Yep, totally hear you. It seems the older I get the less time and patience I have for overly complex rulesets, especially as a GM. I used to play/GM Champions, GURPS, and Rolemaster for goodness sake, but now I love the Forged in the Dark/Apocalypse World/FATE type narrative systems.

I also think they work really well for PbP because you want to spend more time on narration and character development interactions which for me is really the bread and butter for PbP.

I've been pondering starting a Band of Blades PbP or potentially following up on some FATE rules I put together for a Battletech game/campaign. We did some playtesting with the Battletech game and it was going pretty well, but player RL issues forced me to drop it.

And most certainly a special thanks to everyone GMing games out there.

Had been waiting on Guthlag, but I will move us along tonight.

I was travelling this past week. I mentioned that I would be mostly unavailable in this post.

Anyway, back now and more or less caught up.

Gming is indeed quite hard on pbp. There's just not much back and forth which is a big deal. I've enjoyed it so far myself, but it can be a lot of work at times.

Obermind is doing great so far in my book.

Ok, I know 'Obermind's' mind on this, and trying to be discreet, I played the dumb blonde and ask...

Gubble wrote:

Some answers, if people agree, Prisoner walking, probably bound with hands behind his back? Yep, close and lock the barn/house, maybe hide the key(if we find it), someplace we can tell the family (if we find them or include in correspondence if we can't).

So are we describing any of that in game? Or just answering OOC and moving on? I don't want to make any assumptions...or step on anyone's toes.

Always in game Naomi - an OOC sentence can be almost the same as an IC one. Just a twist and a touch. Done! ;)

So the next two people answered back OOC. The reason I asked was to encourage you all to have your characters answer in game.

Edit: I was ninja'd by Jalros, which by the way was a great post :)

Thanks! :)

Do you guys have any plans on how you are 'approaching' the village? Will you move right in with the animals, or leave them on the outskirts somewhere? Will you look for a place to stay? Look for the authorities? Ball is on your court ;)

Before I get into this too much, what did we decide about Naomi's grandparents, small house out of town, large woodshed for wood, medium sized barn for horse, pigs and chickens? Anything Naomi should know?

We didn't really decide much Naomi.

I pictured them as having a humble background, so all you posted sounds good to me :)

THANK YOU OBERMIND

:D

Yep, totally hear you. It seems the older I get the less time and patience I have for overly complex rulesets, especially as a GM. I used to play/GM Champions, GURPS, and Rolemaster for goodness sake, but now I love the Forged in the Dark/Apocalypse World/FATE type narrative systems.

I've been pondering starting a Band of Blades PbP or potentially following up on some FATE rules I put together for a Battletech game/campaign. We did some playtesting with the Battletech game and it was going pretty well, but player RL issues forced me to drop it.

Yes to Champions, GURPS, and Rolemaster/MERP. The others I have heard about, but never really played. I am not sure if I could go completely into a narrative-only game. I do need some mechanics. Just not yet sure how much of it I need.

I loved Champions. At least making characters. Combat could Dragggggg unfortunately.

Hey all, just a quick head's up that we're hosting Thanksgiving tomorrow. Not too big a group, but still a bit of work getting everything set and ready. So I'll likely be offline until Friday.

For those celebrating, I hope you have a great Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving from all the way across the Atlantic! ;)

Gosh GM-Obermind Thanks! Yes, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who celebrating, and I hope anyone that isn't celebrating has a good day as well :)

The high point will be seeing kids and grandkids. I'll still check the boards early and late. Too much of a habit not to.

Happy Thanksgiving, folks!

Hope everyone has a great turkey day!

Happy Thanksgiving, hope it if full of happy moments and a plethora of food. Or at least a decent Thursday.

Sorry everyone for the delay in updating the game - busy couple of days, and tomorrow I will be out with the family. So either will update us in the evening, or on Wednesday.

It's the holidays! PBP always slows down this time of year. Enjoy the fun and family

it's cool take your time Obermind.

No worries, sir.

HA! I started tripping out there for a moment. I saw "GM Trifty" and said to myself: "Wait, what?! Who's that?" :P

No worries.

I don't know if there's a way to set a default alias depending on the thread you're posting.

No, there's not. There SHOULD be a way though. It'd just make more sense.

Hey, it's all good to me. No big deal at all. I just thought it was funny when I finally realized it was you when I scrolled over the name. For a hot second there, I'm thinking: "Um, did Obermind decide to roll with a different alias?" I was all kinds of wondering what the heck was going on! Made me chuckle at my own overreaction. :D

How far away are we from the tower. I have to admit not having a clear idea the distance we have left.

According to what you know, the tower should not be very far away from Fairhill - one day away tops. You are just not sure exactly in which direction.

According to what you know, the tower should not be very far away from Fairhill - one day away tops. You are just not sure exactly in which direction.

Wait a minute, the halfling doesn't know where the tower is? Who let him navigate?

:)

Wait. You are letting Gubble navigate??? He let's FATE lead him in most things. Lol

Well..... He knows the 'overall' location, so to speak :P